hudson river airplane crash as a result of birds

@winterose (39918)
Canada
January 16, 2009 8:23pm CST
You would never think a bird could disable a plan but when it gets into the engines it can destroy it. In yesterday's crash the flock of birds got into both engines and the plane had to come down. Apparently the plane can fly if it still has one engine, but not with two damaged. birds are responsible for over 200 known crashes so far, http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/longisland/ny-libird166000581jan16,0,5080908.story the survivors were rescued from the freezing waters of the Hudson river, some of them turned around and bored the next flight 1- Would you take another airplane after a disaster like that? or what you take a train or bus to get to where you were going if you had the opportunity? 2 - even not being on that plane and hearing about it in the news would you take a plane now? please give your reasons for or against taking planes,
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@pyewacket (44036)
• United States
17 Jan 09
That's really not true that if one engine of a plane is damaged that it can still fly...I saw taped videos of previous bird strikes..it showed a plane that had just taken off and only one bird struck into the one engine. The engine started to catch fire and disabled and the plane had to land again. I live in the NYC area so this "Miracle on the Hudson" as they are calling it, was on the news all day and night and the flock of birds were Canada Geese which are pretty big birds. I haven't flown in ages, but I loved flying when I did..in fact I was the only one in my family that ever did fly..my mother had a real panic/terror phobia about flying after she had experienced some flights with horrific turbulence. And as silly as this sounds, it STILL is one of my dreams to learn how to fly a plane myself...that's how much I feel in love with flying. Planes are actually much safer..there are more fatal car crashes than plane crashes. What I don't understand, is why they can't design and put a simple metal type grating in front of the engine that would prevent birds being sucked into the engine in the first place, since from what I saw in all the videos bird strikes are actually very common and happen all the time...
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@pyewacket (44036)
• United States
17 Jan 09
Oh as a personal note...LOL..for awhile there I was reading up on the technicalities of aviation so I do know the difference between a turn coordinator and altimeter..LOL
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
it depends on the plane, this is not stuff I got out of my head but the news report and a lady above who family in is the airforce explained it, depending on the plane, some will work with one engine and some won/t.
• Philippines
17 Jan 09
Hi winterose. I saw that news in CNN and was really bothered about it. Actually I just made a post here last new year's day that my flight was been delayed for more than four hours due to technical problems on the wing. My boyfriend and I was discussing about that incident when we saw the news of airplane crash in Hudson river. It really gave us creep since we know that if that problem wasnt detected before we took off, what might have happened to us. To answer your questions: 1) Yes i might still take a plane after a disaster like that if I really have no choice. As much as possible I might choose a land trip but I have to consider also some factors like time and convenience. 2) Yes I will take a plane even if I havent heard that news. Its a best way to reach your destination faster and in a convenient way. Though its really scary but I believe if its really your time, accident or something may happen to you even if you are just sitting or lying inside your bedroom.
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
I do have to agree with you there, when your time comes it does not matter where you are.
@DonnaLawson (4032)
• United States
17 Jan 09
I watched that on the news, it was awful and so cold to be out there in the water, most of them had to be a little bit wet and cold also.. I had also, never even given it a second thought about birds bringing down a plane, you just don't hear about it that often.. I have never flew on a plane and don't think that I could make myself do it if I had to.. I have a deathly fear of flying, I do good just riding in a car.. I guess you could call it phobia's.. If I had been so brave as to be on one in the first place, it might not bother me to have to board another one after being involved in that crash.. If possible, and I do know it is probably more dangerous, I would take a train or a bus to get to where I was going..
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
I think it was great how the people just boarded the next plane after such a traumatic experience.
@chertsy (3805)
• United States
21 Jan 09
Actually, there's many cases of birds bringing down planes. Now it is interesting when birds destroy a two engine plane, I mean the odds in that. My father in law sent me a video of a million dollar military jet that went down during a training exercise because a bird flew into the engine. The pilot and the instructor had to eject, try explaining that to the government. I don't know if I could have boarded another flight right after the one I was on went down, especially in a body of water. It would take some time for me to fly again. I think I would have went on with my flight if I heard about it in the news. The chances of a plane crashing is a lot less than a car accident. You can have a accident in a car, a bus, or a train, just as you would a plane. A person takes chances each day that they leave their homes, because nothing is predictable.
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
22 Jan 09
but these people were stuck in the middle of their trip so they had to take something especially if they were trying to get back home, so what would you have done, you are not home yet but you have to get home
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@chertsy (3805)
• United States
22 Jan 09
Honestly, I don't know, I know that I would have to get on a plane again or I would never do it again. Just a hard choice to make, especially for the ones that had kids with them. I think if my plane went down and I still had to get home, I would rather take a train home. Gives me time to get over the shock of what just happened. Especially if my kids were with me, I wouldn't put them through the stress of flying, because everything would be fresh in their minds.
@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
17 Jan 09
Sue I would for that dont happen all that often . But birds can do alot of damage wonder when they seen all those birds they didnt try to dodge them . Sad affair for all invovled!
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
they may not have seen them if they were flying just below the radar screen and it is the power of the engines that sucks the birds up, so dodging them is not possible, if the birds get too close.
@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
17 Jan 09
poor birds adn every one really . did this happent o be a flight path for the birds? If so they should route the jets differently.
@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
Those darned birds! You just cannot trust them. They must be related to our Winnipeg birds. They do not fly off when you walk up to them, they just move to one side. Well if I were in a disaster, I would take the next plane. Why should a little water bother me. Besides I would have had to save money for the trip and I would not waste it. But who is going to pay for my ruined luggage?
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
the birds will pay you for your ruined luggage
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
18 Jan 09
I was imagining those birds as the ones on Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds flapping around, charging at the plane, beaks open, trying to peck the pilot's eyes out, but the safety glass is stopping them. He makes a valiant effort, dives into the Hudson to escape, they follow - and all those birds are in the bottom of the river. I suppose the luggage of the passengers are at the bottom of the Hudson.
• United States
17 Jan 09
I am afraid of flying, and after hearing about how a flock of geese were able to bring down a US Air plane, my fear is even worse. I probably would try to take a train or bus to finish the trip.
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
yes appparently that happens very often
@sierras236 (2740)
• United States
17 Jan 09
I am glad that everyone made it off alive. It is rare to actually be able to walk out after a plane crash. Next time I have to fly, I would want that pilot at the helm.
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
yes Sully is a real hero no doubt about that.
@ellie333 (21029)
17 Jan 09
Hi Winterose, Yes I would board the next plane, it is unlikely to happen again immediately. Last year at Dawlish air show on 8 Red Arrows flew as the ninth was hit by birds leaving Exeter aiport and turned back for safety reasons although not bought down by them. More people are killed daily on the roads each year than are lost in plane crashes so flying is a lot safer but it is unfortunate that when a plane does crash it is large numbers of people rather than maybe one or two at at time in a car incident. All loss is tragic but the vast numbers in one go is what gets embedded on peoples memories I guess. Years ago a lad walked out in front of my car leaving me no braking distance and the police asked if I wanted a ride home, I said no I will get straight back in and drive else I might not want to and they agreed it was probably the best thing for me to do. The good that came out of this situation was the lad made a full recovery and as he was hit on the head for some reason has never had another epilectic fit since. Luckily I was only going very slowly and it wasn't my fault but I still felt awful for having hurt another human being in this way. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
good for you hon, you are a real spunky gal!
@annjilena (5620)
• United States
17 Jan 09
oh this was disaster! yesterday and birds, caused it oh wow if i has not read this i wouldn,t believe it.i have no reason not to take a plane it a chance we take when we fly.
@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
yes apparently birds have caused lots of disasters with getting into the engines.
• India
17 Jan 09
I very rarely travel by plane, unless I have to travel very far. I think after such an incident one would feel nervous to board a plane. I guess that I would probably travel by plane, maybe in a month when this will be in the past. After all life does go on.
@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
yes that does sound reasonable
@riyasam (16578)
• India
17 Jan 09
i did get to know about this news from another mylotter ,it is fortunate enough,that the person were rescued.there were some incidents before,where a bird was known to cause the damage to the aircraft ,hope this incident is a warning to the aviation department.
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
it is not much airplanes can do, birds are a natural disaster
@stephcjh (32327)
• United States
17 Jan 09
I had seen this in a couple of other discussions as well. That is very scary what a bird can do to a plane. I am scared of flying anyway. I have flown a few times but I am still scared of it.
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
I have only had the opportunity to fly once in my life.
@underdogtoo (9599)
• Philippines
17 Jan 09
I have heard of birds causing plane crashes. Jet planes are especially in danger because they could crash into the jet intakes.
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
would you take the plane again right away if you survived a crash or would you see if there was other means to get you where you needed to go.
@mobhomeir (7565)
• Philippines
17 Jan 09
If it would be an urgent that I need to go even after a mishap, I think I must but not on the same kind of vehicle. Like what you said a plane crash, if I survived unscratched then I proceed on my destination but I think not yet on an airplane cause I guess my phobia or my trauma would still there, I would just for other means but not on an airplane yet...thanks
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
that is if you can take other means, what if you absolutely cannot get home without taking a plane.
@ElicBxn (60884)
• United States
17 Jan 09
That is a tough question. I guess I've probably flown enough that knowing that if I've been in one crash, I'm probably safe from a second crash. I don't know if I could get on another plane THAT DAY and do it, but if I HAD to be some place, I guess I would. I guess its like falling off a horse, you have to get right back on it.
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
yes that is right it is like that, the only way to get rid of a fear is to go right back and do it.
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• United States
17 Jan 09
unbelievable isnt it? but what a great pilot to manage to put that plane down as well as he did, it could have been sooo much worse! i dont think id get right back on a plane. but i would eventually. plane crashes arent that frequent when you compare them to the number of planes in the sky every single day. id sure as hell be nervous when i finally did get back on a plane though!
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@winterose (39918)
• Canada
17 Jan 09
yes plane crashes are not that frequent, but the best way to get rid of a fear is to go right back and do it again.