Is the world still coming to an end???

@shamsta19 (3225)
United States
January 19, 2009 4:39am CST
We had some pretty heated debates a few months back pertaining to our now newly elected president Barack Obama. There were those who were for him, and some very vicious opposers to his becoming our new President. I just wonder what are people thinking about him now? Is he still going to usher in the new reign of terror in America or maybe, just maybe, do you think he'll turn out to be a great leader? Perhaps I'll ask this again a year into his presidency but I just want to know what everyone's thoughts on this one were. How do you feel about this historic event? Are we doomed?
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@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
23 Jan 09
I think thats probably a bit of a streatch to say end of the world as some have. Nor are we "doomed. I think some of that stuff as as overhyped as the claims of He's gonna save the world". I'ts an event with much hype and fan fare, and while I don't want to downplay the signigigant in the 44th peacefull transfer of power from one president to another and the signifigance to the situation of racial relations, I think extreme expaectations in either direction should be avoided. Also to be avoided is blind faith in a political figure or swearing alegence to a government or elected position. What I am concerned with however is the changes that may come, changes never meant to take place in thsi country and it isn't just the new administration, it's the past ones as well, as slow incremental erosion of fundamental and precious tennets of our system and nation. The growing devide visable durring the elections was begun far before hand, in the continuing violations of the constitution, and fast track of despotism in congress. It has only begin now to surface in the main stream of society. there are in fact still things that could spark a civil dispute or even civil war, whether a Democrat or a Republican candidate had won.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
24 Jan 09
I agree with you as well my friend. Our government has long pulled the proverbial wool over our eyes and only now is a lot of this information coming to the light. We cannot base all our faith in one person as he is not a dictator and has limited power. We are also all subject to past administrations decisions and policies that are still taking effect. I do hope we do not settle into a civil war but I see where this scenario could be possible, it wouldn't be the first time. As I said time will tell but I do sense we are in for something monumental.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
19 Jan 09
No, not doomed. We have an opportunity to work toward change with a Executive and Legislative branch of government who might actually work together. Not saying they will always agree. Not saying they will get it right. Just saying that perhaps they will try to undo some of the terrible mess they past 8 years have gotten us into. Barack Obama has a pretty steep hill to climb. 1. Economy 2. War on two fronts 3. Constitutional issues to undo (wire tapping, torture, just to start) 4. Health Care 5. Energy Wow, and that is just the start.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
19 Jan 09
You know I am expecting for my rating to go down again with this one? I had to ask though and I waited until the dawn of his inauguration do do so. Probably piss somebody off but I live for that! And yes we all have a steep hill to climb. I am hoping Obama is just a good leader, not the savior of humanity but I do wish him he best and hope he can instill some necessary changes in our government and our nation. If he can "fix" things, more power to him, especially the economic crisis as we are dying slow right now. I hope he does more to put money in the hands of the consumer and not the big businesses that have failed in their own endeavors. Thanks as always for responding and for your kind words last week when I needed them.
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@dogsnme (1266)
• United States
20 Jan 09
Is the world still coming to an end? Yes...eventually...the Bible says so. Now, as far as Barack Obama goes...I didn't vote for him and I still don't want him to be President, but it's way too late for that, now. I didn't vote against him because of his skin color. I have no problem with an African-American being President, I just have a problem with Obama being President. Many people regard him as if he were a savior...well, there is only one Savior and his name is Jesus Christ. Barack Obama is a politician. I voted for Bush for his second term and I'm not afraid to admit it. But, at the same time, I'm also not entirely happy with everything he did, or maybe I should say, everything he didn't do. I'm tired of hearing people talk about how the last 8 years were so horrible and about how the problems we are experiencing right now are somehow all Bush's fault...NO THEY'RE NOT. Let me refer to the current economic crisis to give an example. There are certainly a number of factors that led to the current economic mess we are in but one of the key factors was the Fannie Mae debacle. And Bush did not cause it. The seeds for the Fannie Mae fiasco were planted by the Clinton administration...yes! the Clinton administration. And who was the person in the Clinton administration that was the key figure in getting all this started?...Franklin Raines. The same Franklin Raines that served as Obama's economic advisor during his Presidential campaign. And that's not all of it. President-Elect Obama was one of three Democratic Senators who profited handsomely from Fannie Mae...and I'm talking about millions of dollars, not thousands. Now, I know that a lot of people are mad at Bush because of the Iraq war. Mistakes were certainly made during the war but don't forget that when Bush was presenting his case before Congress and the rest of the world for taking action against Saddam Hussein, the majority of Congress, Republican's and Democrats...as well as the majority of the world's nations including Russia...agreed that Hussein had WMD's and was a major threat to the Middle East as well as other countries and gave their support, in one way or another, in taking action against Iraq. But, of course, like most politicians and so called friends of the United States, when it's no longer popular to lend support they resort to playing the blame game even when they no that the scapegoat they've chosen is not at fault, or at least, not the only one at fault. Now, back to Obama. Why is it I don't want him to be President? Because, I don't agree with his stance on the issues. He supports gay rights which I am absolutely opposed to. I don't condemn or hate gays and lesbians. I respect them as people and God loves them as much as he loves me. But, I can not and will never respect their lifestyle. Now, Obama has every right to support them if he so chooses and I respect that as well, but I can't support him on it and it's one reason I didn't vote for him. I also don't agree with his ideas on how to fix the economy. Many of his economic ideas are Socialistic. Giving the middle class...95% of Americans as he and the majority of the Democrats refer to it...a tax cut while putting the brunt of the tax burden on the rich, the very ones who have the money to create and invest in new businesses and in turn create new jobs, is income redistribution and is a key principle of Socialism and it will not fix the economy. If anything it will make the economy worse. There are plenty of other reasons why I don't want him to be President, and like I said before, it's not because of his skin color. This is a great, historical event for America and I think it is good for our nation that an African-American has been elected to the highest job in the country. I may not agree with him on a number of issues but I will support him as my President, because I want America to continue to be the great nation that it is.
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@dogsnme (1266)
• United States
20 Jan 09
Thanks for your comment and I must say I certainly respect your opinion. But, let me respond first just to clarify that I certainly don't put much faith in any politician, whether they be Democrat or Republican. I am just sick and tired of people...and I'm in no way referring to you...that clearly have no real idea of what the facts are, placing all the blame on one individual when there are plenty of people who are equally as guilty if not more so. And all because they are taking the word of the popular media or celebrities who are clearly biased toward one candidate or another. And of course, that is my opinion. Now let me respond to something that I know a little about and that I am currently reading about...the economy. First of all, I am not suggesting that the middle class or the poor should pay more taxes than the rich. I believe there should be a flat tax across the board. I know there are exceptions but the rich are gonna pay more in taxes because they are in a higher tax bracket. Many of the wealthy have earned their wealth, fair and square, by hard work, education, and smart investment and it is not right for them to be punished for it. You talk about the rich being only interested in protecting their finances and not helping the economy. Yes, there are those who are filthy rich and greed rules their lives at the expense of others, but there are many more who are wealthy who do contribute to the growth of the economy by starting and investing in businesses that create jobs for you and me. If you make them bear the brunt of the taxes then there are gonna be fewer jobs created because they won't have as much money to invest in the creation of new businesses and jobs. That is a fact. Also, as I said before, this idea of giving a tax break to 95% of Americans...robbing from the rich and giving to the poor, if you will...is income redistribution, is a Socialist tenet and it will not work. And that is a fact. Nowhere, in history, will you find evidence of a Socialist economy that has worked. The ideas the politicians are pushing to fix the economy are steps toward Socialism. So pardon me if I say that I'm a little irritated when you say that I'm not as ignorant as most and you question my reasoning on taxing the rich. I'm not speaking out of ignorance or a lack of compassion for the middle class. I'm just stating the facts that so many economists and so many years of history have presented. A socialist economy will not work.
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@dogsnme (1266)
• United States
20 Jan 09
Hi messageme. I never said that Fannie Mae was the one thing that caused the whole economic mess we're in right now. I said it was one of the factors and it may be the most important factor. Going back to Clinton's administration, it was Franklin Raines, who was a part of Clinton's administration during the late 90's that pressured Clinton into easing the lending regulations through Fannie Mae to make it easier for people who would be high risk to get a mortgage loan to buy a house. These people would normally not be given a mortgage loan because of bad credit or no credit. But because of easing the lending regulations, people who were probably not gonna be able to repay the loan or maybe even in some cases had no intention of repaying the loan, were lent money to buy a house. It snowballed from there because people bought houses that they would never be able to pay off. Put simply, people who didn't have good enough credit or who didn't have enough of an income were given the opportunity to finance something they wouldn't be able to pay for. That's the best I can explain it.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
20 Jan 09
I wasn't calling you ignorant. I apologize if that came across that way. I completely respect your position. I am not implying to take more from the rich and give to the poor. I am saying it isn't fair to offer tax breaks to the rich while the middle and lower class, who are slaving to just make it on a day to day basis is forced to pay higher taxes. It should be an equal taxation process for everyone. Of course if you are in a higher tax bracket, the rate of taxation would be higher for you. The emotional part of this is that most of us are middle class or even poor and to continue to persecute the majority, who are also the largest consumers in this country, is morally unsound. You can't keep showing us the money but force us to go without. It presents a civil issue. People are angry and worried about their financial futures. I hear these stories about a lot of wealthy persons, and how they worked hard and got to where they are today. I commend that, but the reality is most of us aren't awarded the same opportunities to do the same, or even given an education on how to do so. I am not suggesting converting to Socialism, what I am suggesting is just helping out those less fortunate, and putting more money into the hands of the working class citizen. I used to say if the rich minority would dedicate a dollar in their own prospective states to helping one person a month we'd create 50 new millionaires every month, 600 every year. Would it hurt for this to happen? I know it's almost fantastical to think like this but it really is a feasible goal. I am talking about one dollar. If everyone who could afford to do so, not just the rich minority chipped in we could do even more. The problem with our government's system is our tax dollars go unaccounted for. How do I really know my money is going towards education when our schools are in shambles?
@lampar (7597)
• United States
21 Jan 09
We are already half way to doom before he came along, fighting two wars at a same time, a continuously slide back economy and a president in constant denial mode. The world will come to an end if the most powerful nation chooses war over peace if solving world crises.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
22 Jan 09
My sentiments exactly. Obama had promised us he would withdraw our troops in the Middle East, and take immediate action to fix the economy. I think more people feared the changes he would bring and were opposed to that. Why wouldn't one support anyone who made these promises?
@lampar (7597)
• United States
22 Jan 09
Not every American embrace peace on earth due to personal interest at play here like financial gain, resource control , political influence, and corporate interest etc. Iraq's huge oil reserve is a very convincing and enticing factor for some very powerful interest group here refusing to embrace his calling.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
22 Jan 09
You are so right and we see the evidence in everything the Bush administration did to gain control of that region and it's oil reserves. Thieves if you ask me!
• United States
20 Jan 09
"Vicious opposers to his becoming our new President", please provide a link to even one discussion where someone expressed "vicious" opposition to Obama being President. Neither did I see where anyone stated the world would come to an end. The fact of the matter is that either candidate, Obama or McCain probably would have implemented roughly the same policies. That is the lesson history teaches. Are we doomed? "We" will survive. However, the US DOLLAR is doomed. The law of supply and demand is pretty simple. As excess US DOLLARS are created, that makes them worth less. Every President in my lifetime has been exponitially increasing the debt of the U.S.A. Bush's spending was absolutely horrible in its excess. Obama's policies appear to be headed in the same direction. Looking forward to that post a year from now.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
20 Jan 09
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1567727.aspx http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1778167.aspx http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1770431.aspx Let's not for get this: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1765838.aspx I can probably go back and find more but there were some vicious opposers to this man becoming president, even in MyLot my friend. Don't know how you missed this. I truly hope Obama doesn't prove to be the same in regards to our country's finances. I also hope he does more to put money into the hands of the working class citizens and not big businesses.
• United States
21 Jan 09
I found many of the links you provide to be ignorant, not vicious. There is a huge difference. Using the word vicious to describe inane ramblings of misinformed people is inflammatory and does not contribute anything in a positive way. You are way overstating your case and helping to create more of a problem than is necessary. Additionally, the responses in the links you provided are overwhelmingly positive. The people opposed to Obama are in a minority and even most who oppose him are not vicious.
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• United States
21 Jan 09
"ATF Has Disrupted Skinhead Plot Against Obama!"I found this story distrubing when it occurred so researched it further. Obama was never in any danger from these morons. The perps are so mentally deficient it is doubtful they could find their way to Washington D.C. by themselves. They do deserve to go to prison, but look into it. You will be amazed at how simple minded stupid these guys are. There were not a creditable threat to Obama and are possibly criminally insane. These guys are not typical of anyone but those in mental institutions. Think of persons so desirious of attention they would claim to want to kill Obama and others of his race. That's what these people are, just pathetic wannabe's. It is not reasonable to equate these people with those who oppose Obama.
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@rsa101 (13807)
• Quezon City, Philippines
20 Jan 09
really would not want a doomsday scenario in Barack's Inauguration. But what I see is hope that he could do something in his term which I believe he can deliver it with the cooperation of his countrymen. I really do think he has the capability and the support of the masses already and it is up to you Americans to make this happen. I do not see any doom/gloom in here.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
21 Jan 09
Nor do I, but I am interested to see what we can accomplish with our new Commander-In-Chief.
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@rsa101 (13807)
• Quezon City, Philippines
21 Jan 09
What you can accomplish is not solely dependent on him but to all of you who will be under his administration. Maybe you can say what Kennedy has said in his speech long time ago. "Ask not what the government can do for you, but ask what you can do for your government". I hope I said it right.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
21 Jan 09
"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." But point well taken.
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• United States
21 Jan 09
According to the Mayan calender the end will be here December 2012. Honestly, I don't think that it will happen.
@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
22 Jan 09
That's a whole other subject. I do wonder if the alignment of our solar system will have an effect on our planet. What was meant in my discussion though was the fact people were saying if Obama got elected president, the world would come to an end. Like he was the worst thing to happen to American politics (right after all we've been through). I didn't want to make this a discussion about the end of days or the apocalypse.
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• United States
22 Jan 09
Just because Obama has become president doesn't mean that the world is going to end. Things might actually get better.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
22 Jan 09
I agree. I thought it was ridiculous for people to say that.
@messageme (2821)
• United States
19 Jan 09
I rhink he will turn out to be a wonderful leader and I think he will do more good than the last oh say 5 presidents have done for us! But either way I think this country is going to crash down before it gets any better and I don't think that has anything to do with what he does as a president. The damage is already done and there isn't much he can do to fix it. Plus most people blame the president for a lot of things that happen when in all actuality there are many people that have rule. What is the number 520 people? Don't remember but it is in the 500. I am talking about the people in the house and senate. They pretty much have last say in anything that happens in this country. But for some reason I have a feeling that anything bad that happens from here on out they are going to blame it on Obama and I think that is wrong!
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
20 Jan 09
This is why I explain to people Obama cannot, by himself, change everything and fix all the problems we are facing right now. He is a politician, not the savior of the free world. I just hope he does well as the President.
@messageme (2821)
• United States
20 Jan 09
And I have no doubts that he will! Have faith
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• Canada
14 Feb 09
When I first saw the header to this discussion I wondered what we might be doomed about. After reading the content I realized the content was a re-framing question about the presidency. In my view we are not doomed. The headlines always focus on the trauma, drama and negative things that are going on globally because that is what seems to "sell." There are so many good, powerful and positive changes going on at the grass root level of society and yet that is not what we hear and see on the news. Within my world view whatever we "see" in others is a mirror to what we have within our inner landscape. If people are fearful...they will be afraid. If they are optimistic they will be happy. If they believe in themselves they will get up no matter how many times they are knocked down. So the naysayers will remain naysayers and those who are ready, willing and open to brighter days will work until they make them happen. Choices...it is all about choices both individually and collectively. From the way Americans cast their votes it would appear that they made choices for change. I prefer to give things time to outwork before making judgments and conclusions this early. Raia
@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
16 Feb 09
I agree completely. I must also add that while the media plays on the negative, they are also not focused on the good points our new President has made and the positive changes he is attempting to implement. I also think that the media has been promoting a concerted opposition to Obama and the American public has drawn conclusions due to these biased opinions. I mean what's with all the "Mr. Obama" references? He is the president! When the media stands against him it is easy to influence the general public, who for the most part is uninformed as to what is really going on in Washington. I believe the real gauge of President Obama's success or failure will take some time to actually determine. Whether or not his goals come into fruition will all come with time.
• United States
21 Jan 09
Hi there, I am from India. I do not know how good the leadership of Barack Obama will be. But one thing we can wish from him and even pray to god that he does something about recession. The recession in US should come to an end. Frankly speaking, thinking about my country, India, recession in US has greatly affected Indian economy. Indian export industry is really large. And its greatest consumers are Americans. Whatever it may be food, clothing, software services, chip-designing, diamond export, etc. I have a great and strong feeling inside that the new president will really do a great thing for his country and for the whole of the mankind. All the best to Mr. Barack Hussein Obama.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
22 Jan 09
I think so too. He is already stirring things up. As for the recession, even I hadn't imagined how much our economy would effect the worldwide economy. As you said your country is suffering as we can afford to spend less to export goods from India, as well as other countries. I hope Obama can do something to quell this issue.
@denise002 (444)
• Australia
20 Jan 09
im not from america. but i think he cant b judged on anything until he is atleast given a chance. and if his race/skin color affects anyones opinion on him then i think they are pathetic and could be at a loss for being so judgmental. i hope he is a good leader. but no matter who is president there will always b people unhappy with it
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
20 Jan 09
You are exactly right. I will see what everyone thinks of him in six months, a year and so on..
@sukumar794 (5047)
• Thiruvananthapuram, India
20 Jan 09
Obama has all the assets for turning out to be a worthy President of the USA.His finesse though yet to be proved is almost evident from his sweet smile and friendly gestures to his audience.He is full of promises.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
20 Jan 09
I hope he stays true to his word.
• Philippines
20 Jan 09
I don't think it is time for us to judge him this early. Let us wait and support him. Let us not prejudge his works rather let us help him realize to help US improve in our lives. I think we need unity especially in this time of crisis.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
20 Jan 09
Couldn't agree with you more.
@jimbomuso (950)
19 Jan 09
Hi shamsta19! Barack Obama is gonna try and 'fix' America from what I understand, and I think he will do a good job but what he wants to do is restricted by the current state of the USA. for example the US's posture towards NATO is indifferent at best. The current Israeli/Palestinian conflict.Afghanistan (completely unwinable- Russia when it invaded lost nearly half a million men). The world economy and the US's place in it. Large scale unemployment in nearly every sector of industry. The medicare system.Pheewww thats just a really small part of the overall problems that he faces. I think Barack will be a good president and will restore people's faith in the US.
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@shamsta19 (3225)
• United States
19 Jan 09
During his campaign, I didn't find a lot of people that shared your opinion. I am waiting to see if they will respond to this discussion as I know they are still active here. I guess I like to start trouble and like to watch my rating fall. We will see if they make any appearances here.