do you value yourself?

I think I understand that you are saying because love has entered your life you now value yourself? Can you agree that humans are self aware? Does this give you more than other life forms? You are the first person I've encountered that felt no more value than a grain of sand, I find this very interesting and that is why I am asking questions. I don't think you mean that you feel badly about yourself, it's just that you fell humans have no value. Is that correct? PM me if you want and we'll continue this.

Really? The first person you've ever encountered? That is pretty crazy. I am not really saying that I value myself, but that my life has inadvertantly increased in value due to love (this is pretty much it in a box). A good way of picturing the value of any being or any aspect of this world is to look at collectable items. For example, back in the days of old (haha) baseball cards were frequently collected by kids (and adults). At the time, they had no value (they were essentially pieces of paper sold to baseball lovers). As time progressed and baseball cards were not printed as much, certain cards substantially increased in value. I think the bottom line for me is that there are some variables in life that allow for beings to acquire value, but it is not something we are birthed with and it is definitly nothing of monetary value. It would take a long time for me to really be able to fully explain myself, but this is the general concept. I can agree that humans are self aware (though to what extent is questionable). This does not give me any more value than any other life form. I do not like when people see humanity as a superior form of life. When one really examines humanity, we all act like animals. Animals with science, and animals with religion. You see, wild animals do not need a reason to kill. Humans have created reasons, and have inadvertantly complicated the killing grounds. But, the bottom line at the end of the day is that, both human beings and wild animals are killing. I am just using killing as an extreme example of animalistic behavior, but it is the best way for me to explain myself. To answer your last question, no this does not make me feel bad about myself. This is not the same as despising myself or depression (which some people may confuse as "not valuing myself"). This is just my (and many, many other people's belief. This train of thought usually falls under people of more "folk" belief systems such as paganism, satanism, atheism, and shamanism to name a few). I just happen to extend the "life's value is a point below zero" (to quote the band Dimmu Borgir) concept to embrace the simple fact that I have created in my mind that some things are capable of creating value (at least in this world). This does not necessarily mean that value lasts forever, or that I am sure of any sort of eternity; but for the moment, things like love give me a reason for existence.

This is a good attitude, depression is such a waste of time and unless it's cause beyond your control you need tools to get rid of it, yours is a good one. Thanks

Good thoughts, thanks

your response is a delight, thank you.