Obama's stimulus package

@msmargo (362)
United States
February 14, 2009 9:01pm CST
Well,well, well. The congress has passed the multi-billion dollar package and the president "...is expected to sign it into law next Tuesday.). The bill is in excess of 1,000 pages, meaning no one in congress could have read the entire document,it's full of pork, meaning nothing has changed, and a big part of the money will not even be distributed until 2010 and 2011. I can't wait to see what our "we can change" president will do on Tuesday. Will he go line by line and eliminate all of the pork? Will his adoring followers have second thoughts when they realize that the chosen one can't walk on water? His picks for cabinet seats seem to think they can. How many of them have had to step down due to none payment of taxes? If you or I didn't pay our taxes, we'd be looking a stiff penalties and/or jail. I don't know about you, but I don't feel comfortable with all the security changes the new administration is making. That is one change I can do without.
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@suspenseful (40326)
• Canada
15 Feb 09
What gets me is that just before Bush left, he also signed a stimulus package and sent out stimulus checks so people had something to spend or to pay down their bills, but he got slack for that, yet now that Obama signs it, he is the savior of America, and yet the money has to come from somewhere and there is so much junk in it. I read some of the forms that was used to make that Stimulus bill, and it was so long I only had enough time to read just a few pages, so the ordinary person cannot understand it all. Oh and I read about the people Obama put in his cabinet, people who did not pay their taxes, etc. I guess they can do wrong and get away with it. But I doubt that the people will blame Obama, for some reason they will put it all on Bush.
@jakeb1 (562)
• United States
15 Feb 09
I think the Democrats are becoming a disgrace. Almost all of them voted for this bill without even reading one page of it! Also, only 30% of ths bill will actually stimulate the economy while the other 70% is spending. That is nearly HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS in spending. After the people realize that Obama can not do everything he says he can, we will see a shift in power very soon. This new administration might be putting the US into the ground that will be very hard to get out of in the future. This will all affect our kids and grandkids.
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@jonesy123 (3950)
• United States
15 Feb 09
He will sign it without hesitation and without complete understanding what exactly the whole bill entails. He just wants to have accomplished something that'll 'give to the nation' and has stuff in hit that will help him accomplish his vision for us. Yes, it will be slow in doing anything if it works at all, but all those lawmakers got their pet projects some money... and a couple years down the road we'll pay the price in significantly higher taxes. I advice you to save now, because once you get tagged with higher tax rates you won't be able to afford much either... but by then we are all used to it and will complain less... I think that's their theory;)
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@irisheyes (4375)
• United States
15 Feb 09
What makes you think that no one could possibly have read it? At least one of my state senators (Arlen Specter) claims to have gone through the bill line for line. I believe him. He's a Penn graduate and a smart guy. I think after 30 years in the senate he can probably manage to wade through a thousand pages. As for the trouble with the cabinet members, I don't see anything new there. This has gone on for a long, long time. How many appointments in the previous administrations had problems? I remember of flood of nannygates. And what about all the Supreme Court nominees that didn't make it? Are we to assume that failed appointments only count against President Obama and didn't mean a thing when it was President Bush and/or other administrations? How hypocritical.
@iriscot (1290)
• United States
15 Feb 09
I agree irisheyes, It was stated that it only took 4.5 hours to read through the whold bill. Most republicans in congress didn't read it because they were told (warned) before the bill was ever presented, by emails, not to vote for the bill when it came out. That's the Republican leadership for you, it's typical of them.
@katran (590)
• United States
15 Feb 09
Irisheyes - Just because the OP brought up Obama's scummy cabinet doesn't mean he was any happier with Bush's. And even if he was happier with Bush's, two wrongs doesn't make a right. Just because the previous administration sucked doesn't mean we hold this one to a lower standard, and shame on you for calling us hypocritical for doing so. This country will NEVER improve if we don't start holding our politicians accountable for their actions, REGARDLESS of their party. Obama said he was going to do things differently, which is why he won! He made people believe he was not going to be just another scumbag politician. He gave America hope that he would change things. How can he bring chance with the same old criminals?
@katran (590)
• United States
15 Feb 09
*change, not chance Iriscot - Please look up "party whip" and its job. There is a person in both parties that is responsible for getting everyone in the party to vote party lines, so it is not just "Republican" leadership. Also, if a Republican voted for this bill, they would not be Republicans. You don't need to read all 1000 pages of it to know that no conservative in their right mind would vote for it. It doesn't bring money to the hands of the people, so it is not something a conservative would support. People hated Bush for not being fiscally conservative enough, and here Obama is doing the same thing.
@matersfish (6311)
• United States
15 Feb 09
I could be approaching this wrong, but from my seat here in Virginia - as wrapped up as I am in my own survival - I cannot for the life of me see how his package will help America's survival. If someone wants to step in here and correct me and show me the error of my ways, I'll gladly listen to anyone who can put my mind at ease here. However, the contents of this bill are absolutely incredible. It seems as if this administration has taken it upon themselves to use America's financial crisis to take care of some spending and the tying up of loose ends. Okay. But why in the heck do you take it out of OUR pockets? Why do you take it NOW? Billions spent on Global Warming reserach? This may or may not help 25 years down the road. However, it helps absolutely nothing right now. 80-some billion to move from one building into another building? 3 or so billion to switch govenment cars to hybrids, and even more billions to make renovations to government properties? 850 million in digital TV coupons? What is a digital TV coupon? A few hundred million for funding that will allow for back-door abortions (how I understand it...)? Acorn gets a bil? 50 million for the "arts"? Some of this spending seems very much similar to those financial institutions going on vacation with their bailout money. Luxury spending in a time of crisis. What a brilliant idea! Again, I may have misunderstood the limited information I've read about the stimulus, but the people - America's citizens - are only looking at a few percentage points knocked off their taxes? Okay, I don't want to turn this into a "bash Obama" post, but what in the hell is with this MASSIVE spending spree? And other than money allocated to states for public works, how will this create jobs? Did states even fire the people who build roads and bridges to begin with? Signed, Confused in America
@katran (590)
• United States
15 Feb 09
Am I mistaken, or did people bash and bash and bash Bush for spending too much money and running up the deficit? Didn't they hate him for giving money to corporations and not giving it to the people? And look at this stimulus that just went through! Ugh, it makes me so mad! People have been talking about the change that we need and talking about how the previous administration ran us in to the ground, and here we are looking at more of the same! And the scary thing is, this is the point where we REALLY need good decisions and careful decisions and lots of thinking, and this bill was rushed through Congress like lightning and nobody even took time to think about whether it would actually help or not. Now America is going to keep sliding down this slope, and people are going to be scratching their heads going "Why didn't this work?" You would know why it couldn't work if you just spent five minutes thinking about it!
@katran (590)
• United States
15 Feb 09
Ahh, I'm sorry. My post was supposed to be its own response, not a response to the above post. Oops.
• United States
16 Feb 09
It's all good. I've did that a few times myself lol I always forget to select the "Add Comment" right under the initial post.
@Savvynlady (3686)
• United States
15 Feb 09
Ma'am, as a woman who had hoped that this package could help the people, I am as disappointed as you are. Truly. The fact that the bill itself hasn't been read in it's entirety, most changes won't go into effect immediately, so on and so forth, but I feel deep down that the President truly wanted to help alleviate the suffering of the American people. sadly, this ain't it. I hope like anything I'm lying on this bill but your not the first person to say the same.
• United States
15 Feb 09
I honestly believe his plan is level off and stop the spiral effect this is the most important thing, after he is able to do this then he can begin the building that is why it is spread out over years. He said it wouldn't be done overnight. Is everything in the package beneficial for the reg Joe? of course not. If we took that 850 billion and spent it all at once there would be no room for improvements. Remember when the banks requested the 750 all at once? imagine if it wasn't divided in two installments. Obama has been able to at least put stipulations on the 350 that is left. I think all money handed to different groups needs to be watched and they need to prove where the money is going. I believe we all just have to wait and see. The question another poster about hybrid cars and things in the future, anything we do at a country should be thought of as in the future. If we live just live for today we would have no outlook for our children and grandchildren. If we can design and manufacture wonderful hybrids although it seems all for the environment this is also economical for us. Imagine not depending on other countries for gas and savings in the pocket. Same thing with alternative energy. It opens up a new market for job creation that is not overwhelmed. Opportunities for many new people. He walked into a total mess, he didn't ask for this but he is doing what he thinks is a decent plan to help and overcome the problems. I think some people believe that he should have handed money to small businesses to help them grow. I have news for you if he had done chances are they would bank the money and not follow through. People are scared and looking out for themselves.I do not know the answer to fix what is going on. I will just pray with the rest that this stimulous will find a way to work.
• United States
15 Feb 09
Grammasnook, You right, he walked into this mess that wasn't of his doing. TRUE. no arguments from me on that, but on the other hand ma'am, included in that plan is a lot of stuff(pet projects, pork stuff) that the Dems wanted passed when Bush Jr was in office and he vetoed against as well. I want to believe deep inside of me that he wants to do the right thing to the American people. That I believe, but when you in politics and sometimes dealing with your own folks(same party if you will)then you gotta get in with them. Another thing on this bill is that he promised that any bill that goes through under his watch is to be viewed online five days before. This bill is over 1100 pages and still under revision. I like to feel that the urgency of this bill was the reason this have not been fullfilled. As a woman who has been unemployed for going on five months, it makes me feel that sometimes you cannot depend solely on government for everything. you have to do for self.
@mscott (1924)
• United States
15 Feb 09
I understand that we needed to do something but I can't find anyone, here or on other boards, or even on the television talk shows who believe this was a well thought out bill that is really going to help us and won't put us so far in debt that we can't even imagine. With so many people against this particular bill, how do elected officials who say they listen to their people actually have the nerve to vote for this thing they didn't even read? It is scary isn't it.
@msmargo (362)
• United States
15 Feb 09
I hear you. It seems to me that there is alot of outrage about things as usual coming from all points. Then the politician turn around and do the exact opposite of what is the rational thing to do. Say what they may, they don't seem to get tha they are working for us.
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@bestboy19 (5482)
• United States
15 Feb 09
Why should they get that they are working for us when we keep putting the same people back in office? Why wouldn't they believe that we think they're doing a great job? We don't do anything to say otherwise. If this stimulus bill turns out to be the disaster many think it will be, the only way we can tell Washington is at the next election, but will we do it?
@riyasam (16582)
• India
8 Mar 09
iys really a digusting thought!!to pass a bill,even withoutt reading it!!thats what the other presidents have been doing.people will be really shocked,if he were to do something different.(they care abt people alot as to shock them)
@tea512 (688)
• United States
15 Feb 09
I pulled the text down of the bill and was floored as I tried to read what was in there and puzzled how it will help. The problem was President Obama gave the bill writing over to congress when he should have drafted it himself. These first days have been shaky at best and I wonder as do you when the walk on water mentality is going to catch up to him. That being said by having a payroll tax roll back $400 per worker under $70K a year he is going to be able to give 95% working American a tax cut, a campagin promise even if it is only $8 a week.
• India
15 Feb 09
obama is nothings is = win