Tell me who is more civilized and who is more savage ?

@ronnyb (6120)
Jamaica
February 24, 2009 11:22am CST
Disclaimer : I am not calling anyone savage ,just a discussion meant to stimulate debate about certain aspects of our “so called civilized society”. There are tribes in Africa who wear absolutely no clothes, have various body piercings and utter some unintelligible language. Yet these guys have a developed system of justice in which you steal someone’s food you get your hand chopped off, you murder someone and you get stood up before a shooting squad .However on the other side of the fence you need a house built and they all pool their resources both human and material and build a home for you. They hunt together in groups of and bring home food for the community and no one ever starves for hunger On the other hand of the spectrum is life in the “civilized “ world, where we have a most sophisticated system of justice .In this system of justice a man can kill several children and get off on a plea of temporary insanity. In the western civilized world there are two persons living in fifty room mansion and his dog has luxury kennel that is bigger than the homes of many persons who live just outside his eleven feet high mansion walls. A man can rob persons of fifty billion dollars and might just get away with just a slap on the wrist. People dump tons of wheat in the west because they aim to keep the price at a certain value Now tell me who is more civilized the tribe in Africa who has no crime rate or the western society whose citizens drive Benz and have luxury apartments but murder each other everyday .Don’t get me wrong these tribes can be very vicious when they are fighting against other tribes ? ………but ….well it is your decision ?
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• United States
27 Feb 09
as this one man put it "We talk about civilization as though its a static state.There are no civilized people yet,its a process thats constantly going on..as long as you have war,police,prisons,crime,you are in the early stages of civilization - Jacque Fresco" The only difference between the two is controlling a large and complex civilization such like the West is of course far more harder than controlling a small tribe like the one in Africa.Developmentally wise? of course theres no doubt that the West is better and advanced,but civilized as a human,I believe both of them are in its early stage of civilization.
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@tudors (1556)
• China
24 Feb 09
i agree and i've always considered that the more developed we are, the more savage and mean we are becoming. They live well and happily without our rude invasion. history and many documents can prove this.
• United States
25 Feb 09
agreed...also the more civilized we become, the more we look down upon those who aren't as civilized, and deny them of civil rights...quite hypocritical
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
3 Aug 09
I am one who reads the Bible for insight. I read of things like the tower of Babel...Where God confused their languages so they could not cooperate and build a great city and civilization. His commands to spread out and populate the earth were ignored and men banded together to become a great power, without God in mind. I believe the closer we live to the earth the more wisdom in our living. It is hard to see wisdom or the rightness of living correctly...law and order...if we are disconnected from the natural consequences of bad choices. Sure, we hear of punishments when laws are broken. But we don't 'experience' them up close and personal. That tends to keep us in line and living rightly. I think we will see more savagery and more uncivilized behavior the further mankind gets from nature (God's creation). The closer we live to the land the more we understand the laws of nature...you reap what you sow.
@faith210 (11233)
• Philippines
26 Feb 09
Hi ronnyb! You do have an interesting discussion here my friend! We may be educated but I guess there are those amongst us who belong to the civilized society but remained savaged, they are just well dressed and got sophisticated. I think that it is just a matter of asking who is the better men? Just a thought. Take care and have a great day! lovelots..faith
@lyzabelle (1668)
• Philippines
26 Feb 09
Yeah, I think people or some other tribe that has other system different from us, are the ones that is living a crime free and organized life, better than us. Modern things, modern society has started to screw some of the inner good in us. Sometimes...things were no longer had any boundaries and everything is beginning to spiral out of control. Everyday killings is already a normal event...now where is justice in this so called modern living? Modernization should create civilized people not savaged ones.
@ANTIQUELADY (36488)
• United States
25 Feb 09
i think the tribe in africa could teach the civilized society alot.
@dismalgrin (2470)
• United States
25 Feb 09
With 'civalization' comes a higharchy, with higharcy comes a need to keeps others in their place, with the needs to keep others in their place come true savagery.
@laglen (19782)
• United States
25 Feb 09
I don't know about civilized but I side with the African tribe. They are self sufficient, charitable, spiritual, and have lived this way successfully for a very long time. "Civilized" populations are a mess. People claiming they have a right to the house they won't pay for. Kids killing kids. Child molesters running free. I would love to get back to the basics, where common sense and decency prevail.
• China
25 Feb 09
Hi, the topics of the this discussion are so interesting, they even make thought. In my opinion, the two society style you mentioned are so different, both of them have their own advantages and disadvantages on their specific development stage.It is difficult to say who is more civilized and who is more savage, maybe the society seems just so savage in the sight of the people who live in tribes. But i always think that the society we lived in have developed for such a long time, most of its aspects should be better than the other society style you mentioned, but some parts of it seems like even worse than the other society style, i don't think these parts would persist all the time and they would become better in the future because our society is developing all the time.
@paula27661 (15899)
• Australia
25 Feb 09
It is a very interesting point isn't it? How we define being civilized in our society is not fundamentally what it is all about. It is a matter of going back to the basics and rediscovering our most important values. We have become so "sophisticated" that our values have blurred. We place importance of money, stuff and technology to such an extent that basic principles are being ignored and we are getting away with far too much. It seems to me that our priorities are all wrong. If we could merge our "savage" instincts with our knowledge and open our hearts our corner of the world would be a far better place.
@ulalume (714)
• United States
24 Feb 09
In some ways, you are pretty much identifying a classic Western philosophical allegory, "The Allegory of the Cave", by Plato. If you have not read that story, I would highly recommend it to gain insight into your own thoughts. It basically states that people who believe themselves to be "enlightened" (wise) typically attempt to force other "unenlightened" (or, so call, unwise) people to see "the light." The beauty of the story is that it should cause one to think of what "the light" truly is, and what it truly means to be wise. In the case you have put before us, the simple truth is that we have very different societies. No one is more civilized or savage than the other, as we both contain people who fit into both categories in some ways. From my point of view, it seems as if you are attempting to maintain some sort of separation between these groups; and that really should not be the mindset (forgive me if I am wrong). The goal should not be about changing these groups in any way, but to figure out how we can all coexist in one way or another. Violence at time is necessary, murder is sometimes justified. On the outside, "killing people" seems savage; but it not necessarily. There are so many variables that it makes it impossible to accurately label anyone savage or civil, as we all have qualities of both since we are, in nature, animalistic. I am civil will I will be rewarded for being civil, I am savage when it is necessary for me to be. Look at trained dogs, why are they trainable? Because they are constantly rewarded in some way for doing monotonous and simple tasks (like sitting for their owner). However, these same dogs also have the capacity to bite the heads off of children and attack intruders. Dogs and humans are pretty much one in the same, in this way at least.
• United States
24 Feb 09
As time goes on, our society has become more and more savage. Before the tribe you mention is lionized, however, I'd need to know to what extent their evidence is verified, and the rate of errors. I really can't justify killing or maiming others, regardless of who's doing it.
@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
24 Feb 09
Check out this video (not a ref link): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWyJJQbFago I don't think it's a matter of more or less civilized, just different.