Moving from 3's upward...

@Jellen (1852)
United States
February 26, 2009 8:23am CST
If you write for Associated Content, have you noticed how difficult it is becoming to receive payment for a human interest article that tops the $4 amount? I'm writing in the same way--if not better than I have in the past, my articles are of the same nature as in the past, but the offered pay seems less than even last year. I'm finding that I will have to do much more with keyword saturation and sources in my articles than just "writing what I know." It's not cutting it so much anymore. And there seems to be a flood of "what I know" type articles in the database. I've had some great ideas for articles and after checking for info online, I almost always come across AC articles that cover it already. I've gone ahead and done some of them anyway, trying to find a new twist, but I still get the reply that lowered payment is offered because AC already has plenty of that topic. So I am making it a challenge to move upward from the 3's, even if it takes me more time to write each article. How about you? What's your experience with AC?
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@WC1989 (595)
• United States
27 Feb 09
AC has gotten stingy. It's like they're afraid to go above 4$. Anyways I was reading some of the comments and did you know you can actually try to list NON-exclusive articles and still get upfront payments? That means you can get paid upfront, and then relist the article somewhere else. They claim you earn less if you do so, but so far I've only seen a 2 cent difference. The only requirement is that the article be published on AC first.
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@Jellen (1852)
• United States
27 Feb 09
I think I knew that. I listed some poems that way, because I wanted to retain rights for later use. But now I find out you can use Helium articles again. Good to know. I've been reading about AC folks who make upwards of $15 an article. What do they know that I don't know?
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@WC1989 (595)
• United States
27 Feb 09
1) Either those facts are old or... 2) They write about easily-searched topics I think one of the reasons AC likes to take their time to evaluate articles isn't just to inspect the quality of the article. They probably also do some keyword analysis to see your article's potential traffics, and check out your recent articles' traffic. These people probably have great articles for traffic, probably have great traffic they build themselves via promotion or fans, and probably spark a lot of comments on their articles.
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@Jellen (1852)
• United States
27 Feb 09
I think all of the above. I'm trying to do more promotion and just signed up for twitter. AC twitters every time we publish if we are singed up. The other social bookmarking we must do ourselves or hope our readers are doing it.
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@jakeb1 (562)
• United States
26 Feb 09
I just started on Associated Content and wrote an article and they offered me $3.50 for it. It was about 600 words, I think. Do you think I should take the offer or is there a better site where I can submit it and make more money? The best thing I like about AC is that they pay right to your PayPal account almost instantly without any minimum payout.
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@Jellen (1852)
• United States
27 Feb 09
I've written 900 word plus ones that had offers of that, so I'd be tempted to take it and run. Leave it there for performance points. I've made more on a few in performance points than they ever paid me up front for the article. I have about 250 pieces on AC and am making about 11 bucks per month on performance pay. If not for the performance pay, the low rates would be rather discouraging.
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• United States
27 Feb 09
Wow, you have a lot of articles over there at AC. I need to catch up! Thanks for sharing your monthly view take-home. Figuring all these angles out is important. Right now I am working my way up so that I get a decent monthly amount on Helium.
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@Jellen (1852)
• United States
27 Feb 09
Articles and poems, some recipes. Not everything is a paid article. But I've been adding things as small as haiku. Everything helps with performance points.
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@jbosari (155)
• United States
27 Feb 09
I have been testing out all the writing websites the last two months to see where my time is worth the effort. If you are a professional writer, none of these sites are really for you. but if you are starting out and it is your goal to become a professional writer, they are exceptionally useful (this is me!) Associated Content gets a lot of gruff from people who are upset about rejected writing or poor pay, but if you are looking at it from the long perspective, I am starting to believe associated content is the way to go. At first I steered clear of the site based on some reviews I read, then I realized the reviewers were dumping on Associated Content for a few not so great reasons: 1. They were promoting another writing website so they could get referrals and advance their own means 2. They were sensitive to criticism about their writing The more I use AC, the more of an advocate I become. Yes, $4 is a measly payout, but you continue to earn after that point. As you increase your "clout" you increase your earnings. It is also important to target the appropriate audience. AC articles on health do very well for me, while articles targeted at younger readers in their teens and twenties do better elsewhere. I'll be writing more on this topic soon on my blog www.killfive.com. AC is not the only game in town, but it is an important resource for writer looking to build their portfolio with a goal of long-term writing success.
@Jellen (1852)
• United States
27 Feb 09
Great points. I agree with each of them. As mentioned in the comment above yours, I write for AC because it pays, but also because it allows me flexibility. I choose the topic, and believe me, I've tested the types of topics too. Product reviews and health almost always pay. But review get fewer hits. My health-related articles make well over a hundred hits per month. I've only been working hard at AC for the past 6 months. But my performance pay has gone from a dollar per month to almost 13. I'm about to pass the 50,000 hit mark and hope to move to a clout 9 this year. I'm still a clout 8. I submit what I like, poems, recipes, educational articles, health articles, human interest pieces, even religious pieces. Where else can you write what you want on any given day? And I do try to submit an article per day. The decline rate has been about one out of every dozen. I might tweek it and resubmit, but I always leave it for display only, if it is not accepted. When I first started with AC, my for pay articles were only about 1 in 5. So I paid attention and learned how to write what AC would accept. If I have one gripe about AC, it would be that no editor comments or corrects a punctuation error I might have missed or misused. That would make AC a real learning ground for writers.
@AnythngArt (3304)
• United States
26 Feb 09
I feel your pain! It can be tough getting more out of Associated Content up front. Gone are the days of $10 or more per article. There's a new method of paying in AC town. So, all I can say is to try and work with what's available. Recently I realized that I had a whole bunch of great articles I wrote for Helium that I could post at AC for no upfront payment, but page views. While I don't expect that they will be instant hits, it's still steady income from stuff that was already published, but would be new to a new audience. So, I've started reposting them to Associated Content. I still write articles exclusively for AC, but I don't rely on that to help me earn money. If you are really putting a lot of time and effort into your writing, perhaps it's time to consider a new publishing site, like Constant Comment, where you can dictate the price you are willing to sell it. True, you need a reciprocal buyer, but one sale could really make up for your AC loss. Good luck with your writing and earning!
• United States
26 Feb 09
Sorry, that should be Constant Content.
@Jellen (1852)
• United States
27 Feb 09
I thought the Helium articles were gone to me. So they didn't get any rights? I should go back and see what I can find of my early writing there. I never made pay there and got discouraged with writing for Helium. But you've got a great idea. And the rates have come down at AC. I had one or two of those 10 dollar payments in 2006 or 2007, but not much since 5 and over. Do you think the more words per article the higher the pay? Didn't seem to work on one of over 1200 words I wrote a few months ago.
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• United States
27 Feb 09
You retain the rights to your Helium articles, something I just learned (on MyLot!!!) recently. So while you can't sell first rights to AC, you can re-publish them on AC for page views. Right now they have a contest going on. Of course it's a long shot, but all articles published to the end of the month over on AC are entered in a $500 prize drawing as well. Somebody will get lucky, but more important, you can try and get some money/page views from them.
@owlwings (39880)
• Cambridge, England
27 Feb 09
Just as with MyLot, most good 'article'/'survey' sites are now paying for content and quality, not for rubbish. If you aspire to write anything at all, then you should aspire to write what people will want to read because that is, first of all, how such sites make the money to pay you and, second, if you care at all about the time you spend, surely to be read - and to gain respect for what you write - is what it's all about! I have seen many people who complain that their articles were rejected. They do so, usually, in a very disgruntled fashion, as if THEY are good writers and its the WEBSITE that is at fault (a scam) for rejecting them. These are not professional writers! If they continue with this attitude, they never will be ... and that is their loss. To be honest, if you consider yourself to be a writer at all, you should be demanding MUCH more for your work than any of these sites - AC, Triond, Suite 101 and so on - are offering. Even $4 an article is selling yourself short. You could probably earn more (and more reliably) working on a checkout! True, there might be obstacles in the way of working for Big Mac or Walmart but writing is surely a step up from that, anyway! What's the basic minimum wage where you are? $8 an hour, or thereabouts? You are worth more than that as a writer! Here is a link to a blog which I have admired for a long time. I don't make a penny out of recommending it but, nevertheless, I think you will find it worth perusing. I hope others do too! http://ravens-writing.blogspot.com/
@Jellen (1852)
• United States
27 Feb 09
Thank you for all the input. I agree with what you have stated. I think the reason I write for AC is that it allows me to write what I want when I want. And I need a supplemental income, not a main income. For those who wish to make writing a career, your advice is quite valid. For those who care to be creative, the lessons must be learned with the declined article. For whatever reason it is declined, it simply means that you either change it or accept it for no pay. AC is a great learning ground. I began by blogging and moved to AC to get my feet wet. I like the performance pay opportunities there and the flexibility. I'm sad to see the reduction in pay per article since 2007, but like any business, it must do what it must do to survive.
@owlwings (39880)
• Cambridge, England
27 Feb 09
I didn't mean to criticise your choice, of course, but it's interesting that some of the reasons you give are dealt with in one of the articles in the blog I mentioned. I think that it is fine to build up confidence by posting to AC (or any similar site) but it's still worth knowing that the time you spend might be worth more doing precisely what you are doing elsewhere - and, perhaps, aiming towards that.
@Jellen (1852)
• United States
27 Feb 09
This looks like a great site. Right now, I have trouble getting out one article per day and that 4 per day, 80 per month range works out to be about 7 bucks per article. I can't personally handle that kind of pressure for twice the pay, but maybe some or our readers are looking for just that. Thanks for sharing.