Obama supporters, your missing the point

@xfahctor (14111)
Lancaster, New Hampshire
March 28, 2009 8:18pm CST
After browsing through a number of threads reguarding Obama, I felt it nessesary to point a few things out to his supporters, particularly the issues many of his oposition have, wich seem to be drasticly misunderstood. Let me state first, I am not a republican, i didn't vote republican in the elections at all in fact. Bush and the last congress passed some pretty power grabbing and liberty threatening legislation by scaring us all in to believing it was nessesary It isn't that we aren't willing to give him time or that we believe things can be fixed overnight. For many of us, or at least me, the issues are the same I had with the Bush administration, a lack of constitutional government and a disasterous spending/money creation policy. there is no doubt Bush and the last congress put more coffin nails in the economy, he and his ilk spent like drunken sailors on leave . But this didn't all happen in one adminsitration, it's a house of cards that has been building for a very long time. No one ever adressed the real problems over time and so now here we are. It takes a long time to see results, that is for certain. But it only takes 2 seconds to spot a blatently unconstitutional act or a policy that will be ultimately desytructive to our economy or way of life. I apply my critisism not only to the president but to the congress as well, both houses, both parties. I am not willing to sacrifice constitutional principals for a sense of ecoonomic gain or personal and national security, those principals are far more important to me. I do not wish to see a large powerfull central federal government, it is not what was intended, it is not a workable government and the constitution clearly defines a very specific and limited role for it. If you have issue outside the federal government's constitutional scope you need to address in government through legislation or such, then adress it with in your state government and leave the rest of our states out of it. If your state government isn't working for you, then change it or move to another state who's laws and such suit your liking, again, leave my state alone. Also, in future discussions, if you feel you have a valid case in defending one of Obama's or the current congress's actions or policies, then please, defend that policy or action on it's own merrit, rather than point back to the last bastardd administraion. If a policy is in fact a good one, you should be able to defend it with out having to resort to this. If you are presented with a critism, be kind enough to read the relevent legislation or policy before you dismiss concerns out of hand, come back with valid arguments. I'm becomming convinced many of his supporters are incapable of doing this and revert to the typical pavlovian responses.
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@laglen (19783)
• United States
29 Mar 09
xfachtor - is it your first day here? I found your discussion very well said and you made very valid points. But I have to ask you another question. Do you think that the majority (not all) of Obama supporters would be so if they actually looked at the facts, the bills, the policies etc? I am willing to bet, judging by live interviewers with supporters that they do not research, do not look at all sides and do not put much thought into their beliefs. I kid you not, some (youtube) literally regurgitate what Keith Olberman tells them. They can not name their own Representatives, they have no clue about the issues, they do not know what Obama is doing, they are chronically ill-informed.
@xfahctor (14111)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
29 Mar 09
There are a number of intelligent (if not misguided) democrats here. I am hoping to either bring out some genuine meaningful debate or at least get a few to realize they were under a hypnosis and in love ith the "idea of Obama" rather than supporting a candiate who was best qualified to support and defend the constitution.
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@Taskr36 (13926)
• United States
29 Mar 09
Polls have shown that voters consistently know less about the people they vote FOR than who they vote against. Democrats were worse about it, but it still existed on both sides.
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@laglen (19783)
• United States
29 Mar 09
I agree with both of you and I voted third party. I knew he wouldn't win, but boy did he ever give a run for the money! I feel it atleast lets the two main parties know what we think is important.
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@us2owls (1681)
• United States
29 Mar 09
What a good and well thought out post. I am registered as a Republican but that doesn't mean to say I vote Republican every time I vote. I look at all the candidates - see what they have to say and vote on what I think they can, or will do for the American taxpayers and voters in general. John McCain was not my choice for the Republican candidate, Sarah Palin in my opinion added nothing to the ticket. I seriously considered for a long time voting for Obama - being from Illinois I was looking at the crook we had as Governor and the fact that Obama too appeared to have a close relationship with the same crooked politicians from the Chicago political hierchy as Blagojevich did in no way impressed me with his honesty. As time went on and Obama talked and different things started to surface about him I decided not to vote for him - Joe Biden as VP was also a deciding factor. I wasn't happy with what I had left as a choice but I did vote for McCain. As time goes on I become more and more disillusioned with Obama. One of my main things is his refusal to bring out his birth certificate which is apparently registered in Hawaii. As the Mother of an American Citizen daughter who was bon in the UK and having gone through all the proper procerdures to register her birth t the American Embassy and knowing what all her papers say and what her birth certificate looks like - then I seriously question his refusal to produce his - it might cost him $20 and he has from all accounts spent in excess of $800,000 to keep it under lock and key. This tells me the man has something to hide and I hope that Democrat or Republican - I hope everyone in both the Congress and the Senate will introduce and pass a bill that anyone running for political office from President on down to the local mayor of a tiny village some place is required to produce a valid birth certificate before being allowed to even file as a candidate. All I can hope is that America survives the remainder of this man's Presidency and if he wants a second four years he has to produce the proof we would all like to see. This week he is coming to England - London. He will have to be closely guarded because contrary to what his supporters would like to think he is not well liked here and the general public here wish he would just stay home.
@xfahctor (14111)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
29 Mar 09
Thank you for the response. I hear thia alot, people who voted for McCain or Obama because they felt it was probably the lesser of two evils essesntily. I have to ask, why dod you not vote for one of the others? People tend to look to the other parties and are under the impression they "aren't viable" or "can't win" but, if every one who said this actualy supported them and voted, we could well elect one of them. I supported and voted for Chuck Baldwin -constitution party, this election. I didn't want a nother republican and Obama, well, nearly everything I feared is happening and more with him. I supported a candidate who understood the importance of a constitutional government. And your right, Obama isn't enjoying the world love affair everyone thought he would. Iran, Venezuela, North korea, Lybia, they all hate him just as much as they hated Bush and it doesn't look like some of our allies are tripping over themselves for him either.
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@Taskr36 (13926)
• United States
29 Mar 09
In all fairness Xfahctor, this entire election was slim pickings. I really did thoroughly research EVERY candidate on my ballot. Cynthia McKinney was a complete moron and a nutcase, Gloria La Riva has a running mate who, at the age of 21, wasn't even qualified to be on the ballot proving that states don't really check to make sure candidates are qualified, I had serious disagreements with Chuck Baldwin including his opposition to allowing women in the military. I could go down the list, but we don't have time for all that. I treat ever candidate as viable and frankly, there was NOBODY in this election that I really considered a good choice. I had to go with the least bad choice.
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@sid556 (31018)
• United States
29 Mar 09
What a great post! I am not of either party. I voted for Obama because I agreed with him more than McCain and I absolutely did not like Sarah Palin. I did not...will not put Obama on a pedestal nor will I blindly believe all his promises. I can only hope and pray that all turns out right. They all have "good thoughts". I would never blindly defend any politition/ time will tell.
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@xfahctor (14111)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
29 Mar 09
Did you look at any of the other candidates? I ask because a lot of people seemed to be voting for "not McCain" rather than "for Obama". I supported and Voted for Chuck Baldwin myself, not because he was a "not" cnadidate, but because I genuinly felt he had the best grasp on the proper goervnence and ideals of the country.
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@sid556 (31018)
• United States
29 Mar 09
yes I did. two of my other choices dropped out and in the end altho I was not a huge Obama fan, he seemed to be the best choice....I can now only hope that he was.
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@xfahctor (14111)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
29 Mar 09
who were your other two choices? because there were 6 parties in the elecion and I didn't see any of them drop out.
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@dismalgrin (2470)
• United States
29 Mar 09
Although I do support Obama (at least for now) I found your attitude very refreshing in this post. I've been getting pretty sick of people blasting and blaming my beliefs on stuff that is obviously not the point in question in the first place. As it seems you also have been running into this lately as well. I'm more a an 'anti government' persuasion myself as it seems that my daily life is running up a brick wall of things meant to 'protect' us, but really just leading us around by a rope. Good luck, and I hope that your post is read and considered by many.
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