How to fix the economy crisis

@savak03 (6684)
United States
April 1, 2009 9:29am CST
This was an article from the St. Petersburg Times Newspaper on Sunday. The Business Section asked readers for ideas on "How Would You Fix the Economy?" Of all the ideas presented this one made the most sense to me. Dear Mr. President, Patriotic retirement: There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force - Pay them $1 million apiece severance with the following stipulations: 1) They leave their jobs. Forty million job openings - Unemployment fixed. 2) They buy NEW American cars. Forty million cars ordered - Auto Industry fixed. 3) They either buy a house/pay off their mortgage - Housing Crisis fixed. It can't get any easier than that! PS If more money is needed, have all members in Congress and their constituents pay their taxes… Do you think we can get the new president to go for this plan? Would you follow the rules to qualify for this retirement plan? Do you think there is any way that we can expect the members of congress to pay their taxes? I'm just asking...
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• United States
1 Apr 09
That's funny, Congressional members who pay taxes. The only way to fix the economy is to lower taxes and get government out of the way. I wonder what the temperature is on Mars?
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
2 Apr 09
I don't know what the temperature on mars is but maybe migration is the answer.
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@mac1946 (1602)
• Calgary, Alberta
2 Apr 09
Actually,a few questions. when did the new resession start? Answer,when credit cards were allowed to put their own interest rates on them. If the government were to set a cap on the credit card companies and financial loan businesses to no more than a 5% interest rate,the people would be able to pay off the loan and start buying more stuff again. most of these companies will offer a 1.9% interest rate for three months to get you started,then raise it to around 29.99% to over 30%,why?GREED,nothing less. So long as all we are doing is paying their interest,how can most people ever get out of debt? Thanks for a great discussion.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
2 Apr 09
Hello Mac1946, I realize that it really stinks to have someone rain on your parade. Alas, I'm inclined to do just that because I'm compelled to utter truth -- regardless of how unpopular it can sometimes be. 1. Most, if not every state has legislation on the books, which limits the interest rates that credit companies can charge. My state, NM was one of the last to adopt this particular legislation. Please go to TransUnion, Equifax, or Experian to read the Fair Credit Reporting Act. Or, you can find it below: www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/fcra.htm 2. The recession did not start when "... credit cards were allowed to put their own interest rates on them". Credit companies have not had that power in a very long time. Also, the term "recession" has a set, distinct definition. A recession is defined by a specific number of negative growth quarters. Officially, this recession did not begin until 4th quarter 2008. Though, when did it really start? Technically without the bell curve of American Ingenuity, it started in 1968 when "Lyndon B. Johnson privatized Fannie Mae in order to remove it from the national budget". It was further exaccerbated when Congress mandated that Fannie & Freddie give loans to unqualified recipients, who obviously could not pay back the loans. hnn.us/articles/1849.html Add to that the gov't interference of allowing whole new, politically expedient financial instruments, like Hedge Funds, to pop up without any regulatory oversight, and further empower them to tie USA pension funds to international, risky gambles, as well as detectable investment bubbles (like overinflated real estate prices) and violá, we end up with a ticking timebomb. The aggressive tax cuts of the 1980s, coupled with the tech boom ushered in by the computer age allowed what is really quite fragile -- an economy, to avoid succumbing to the unbearable strain of 'feel good economics'. Though that was only a 'band-aid'. Bottom line, you're right -- greed is behind this mess. Though, it has zero to do with credit card interest rates, or any other facet of the regulated banking industry (And, I am so no fan of banks -- I do all of my banking with credit unions!!!), which is and has been the most heavily regulated industry in the world, beside the nuclear industry. If you really want to know how this mess came about, ask Barnie Frank about his 'pillow talk' with his boyfriend from Fannie Mae, and Franklin Raines about how Fannie & Freddie honchos manipulated those multi-millions upon millions of dollar, year over year, bonuses on the taxpayer dime, from the 1990s to present day.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
2 Apr 09
Hello Savak, What you describe is called a 'secured credit instrument'. It happens to be the single most viable tool for a person with lousy credit to improve their credit rating, relatively inexpensively. Think about it: They give you 250.00 in credit, and immediately assign $200 on to the account as an accepted debit for the opportunity to better one's credit score. It still leaves the person with $50 in emergency funds, yet gives the applicant the opportunity to prove that they're credit-worthy. Remember, credit is someone else agreeing to lend a stranger's money to the applicant. If we don't want the 'stranger' to lose his or her hard earned income, then we need to make sure that we minimize their risk, right? The implied (if not specified) contract is that as the applicant demonstrates responsibilty and respect for 'the stranger's hard earned income, via a solid payment history, that the credit limit will be raised, as the credit score is increased. I guess my point is that we seem to have lost sight of who the stranger is. It's you and me, and everyone who has deposited our hard-earned money into interest bearing, savings accounts!!!
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
2 Apr 09
Very good points about credit cards and their practices. How about the ones who offer you a 250.00 initial credit limit and immediately charge 200.00 in fees to set up the account so you only have 50.00 to spend and you are already 200.00 in debt.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
1 Apr 09
Response number one pretty much nailed a few of the key issues with this one savak. A million dollars just wouldn't guarantee each of them a secure lifestyle for the rest of their days and a majority of them would eventually end up dependent on help again in the longer run. A million dollars just isn't a lot of money anymore. There's also a knowledge base and skill set provided by that demographic that if removed from the equation, would probably cause a significant imbalance to the overall stability of the workforce as well. Many will argue that throwing money around to try and offset economic deficiencies just doesn't work. (You might even say that the term "Stimulus Package" is an oxymoron if what I'm alluding to has merit) People/Corporations just take that money and hold on to it tightly because they're fearful for the future. If it's not being spent freely, then all industries suffer in turn and the domino effect is disastrous as we are already seeing. I don't know what the answer to all these problems are, but overzealous financial incentives are not one of them. The core issues run far deeper than any level associated with money alone!
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
2 Apr 09
I answered this one at close to midnight my time last night Savak, so I thought it was serious! Just goes to show how well I function towards the end of a long day then.....
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
2 Apr 09
I guess I am the only one that thought this was funny. Maybe it's my delivery or maybe my sense of humor is just twisted.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
2 Apr 09
That's okay James. Read on. Everyone else is taking it serious too. I think I really opened a can of worms here. I am at a loss on how to answer some of these comments. But they deserve an answer because some of them are well thought out.
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@Savvynlady (3684)
• United States
1 Apr 09
Let me address these issues you speak on. Have 40 million Americans over 50 to leave the workforce with a one time $1million payment. Ok. How long will that $1million last for these folks? will they be getting their social security once they leave the workforce? another consideration to consider is the fact that folks at that age is either dealing with kids going to school, and or elderly parents who need caretaking. How do you propose to these folks that they cannot work any longer? $1million won't do a lot. Plus if we don't have money, where are we getting the money from? You talk about American cars. If we're getting the million to stop working and all, more than likely, they may or may not buy cars especially if this recession is still brewing out there. so you'll probably have a problem with the cars. 3. On the Housing crisis, well,if these folks use some of that million to pay off or buy their homes, then, how will they live on the rest of the money? most of us are not budget minded so how do you plan to tell them what to do with their money?
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
1 Apr 09
Well shoot! It sounded like a good idea until you picked it apart.
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• United States
2 Apr 09
I'm sorry to be the voice of reason. Look I am not far from my 50th birthday, but that's just the worry wart in me. I was talking to my boyfriend who is over 50 and he was like, Where do I sign up at? I was like, hon it is just a proposal. He was like, I don't mind. I can make do on that money. He was serous. But I just saw the money; I didn't know the other two were stipulations. shoot why not make it perhaps $1.5mill. that waythat 500G, they can get the car and house and make do very well on that million until social security kicks in. just another thought.
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• China
2 Apr 09
I have no idea about this.Just we seldom go out for dinner,now we usually cook at home and this can save money.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
2 Apr 09
Yes the economy is definitely in trouble and we are all having to cut back on the things we spend money on.
• Hungary
1 Apr 09
i just have no idea, i guess this will take long
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
2 Apr 09
I agree. If it worked at all it would take too long to implement and wouldn't benefit the ones it was meant to help.
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@HemaSrini (435)
• India
2 Apr 09
Recession is worsening many peoples' lives. But is the government who collect heavy tax (+ or - 33%) from us, think of waving this in any way. The answer is "NO" in India. But about US, I guess the things are pretty fair after Obama took up the incharge, things are getting changed and lives from miserable have changed to average. You people can put your problems before him and I guess he is the better person to think and take up a common solution. Taxes in USA is paid for the benefit of the nation wide people unlike India. Trial costs you nothing so I think its better to try.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
2 Apr 09
I appreciate that things are different in your country but I think you are misinformed about how much better it is here now with the new president. Things have not changed. Most politicians talk a good game but once they are in office things just go on as before. Many people put there hopes in Obama but have not had them realized.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
2 Apr 09
Hello Savak03, Hmmm, perhaps we should be smarter than the average bear, and start thinking outside of the box. If the box = the parameters defined in your original thread, then let's add just three contradictory qualifiers -- and decide from among them. OK? 1. Those 'boomers' contractually agree to forfeit their Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid Disability options in lieu of an extra $1-2 million in both upfront & tax incentive options (split to be determined) for business development options that will employ a minimum of at least 7-10 employeees (at a minimum of minimum wage with some kind of medical package -- the greater the payscale/benefits pkg., the more guaranteed monies???) in no more than three years time. In lieu of opting out of federally guaranteed medical care, those same retired, blossoming entrepreneurs will get tax incentives to offset their out of pocket expenses vs. the costs of insuring them through federal programs. (Not my favorite plan -- for sure!) 2. Or, we adopt a consumption or fair tax, and give these folks an annual annuity (as opposed to an up-front pay-out) for that $1,000,000.00 guaranteed tax-free? Or, if we have to raise it up to $2mil to buy them completely out of the system, then that may be ok. We'd have to crunch the numbers. But, essentially this 'door #2 option' allows them the freedom to pay less by way of the costs of goods and services, and be obligated for less of a future tax burden, as well as give them a guaranteed tax free income for however many years as they want to stretch it out (tbd at the point of contractual agreement -- meaning that the proposed recipients would have to be prepared to take a pre-defined level of both risk and personal responsibility, not so unlike the 'life insurance' gamble). I'd also be willing to explore business development options for them, if they'd agree to fiduciary accountability for the defined profitability of their blossoming entrepreneurial, contractually defined, employing ideas. Make sense? 3. Or, in a perfect world, we buy these boomers 'out of the system'. And offer a separate 'lottery' for the best and the brightest to submit their ideas for business development ideas for 'the next new thing', which could include any boomer who opted out of the system, but would also be open to all qualified citizens. OK, let the round-robin begin. What's good? What's bad? Let's get some ideas rolling.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
2 Apr 09
Hi Ladyluna. I gave you a br because your comment is well thought out and addresses all the issues. You have obviously given this a lot of thought and follow the political news. I have to admit that I don't really follow politics. I doubt very seriously that anything I have to say on the subject will make one bit of a difference in anyone's life. When I saw the article that led to this post I thought it was funny and thought that people here on mylot would get a chuckle out of it too. I didn't for one minute consider it as a viable option. I guess my sense of humor was on strike the day I posted this.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
1 Apr 09
So what are these over fifties to do in the meantime? I am sure it would soon be followed by euthanasia on demand when the million dollars runs out. What about those who only had part time jobs, or low wage jobs? Would that also apply for writers and creative people? Shall we no longer by a book from someone who is over fifty or a painting? Also what about the cars? Not all over 50 can drive. I know I cannot. Also about the houses, well would not that come from the taxpayers, after all they are the constituents and would that not be a resentment that these older people are getting a million dollars each while the rest of America (except for Obama and his minions) are suffering.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
2 Apr 09
They would probably do the same thing we are doing now when we can't afford to live on our retirement. We would just have to go back to work.
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@Dasari100 (3791)
• Anantapur, India
4 Apr 09
This is the problem for everyone and my country people also suffering for so many problems so now we don't have any security for jobs so that is the main problem so we have to do only one thing that is This World should stand one way.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
4 Apr 09
People are suffering all over. I don't really think any form of government can make a difference.
@mentalward (14691)
• United States
1 Apr 09
Congress paying their taxes? How un-American! It sounds like an excellent plan to me but I don't see it happening. If Congress would just stop giving themselves raises all the time, we wouldn't be in such a crisis to begin with! All the money changing hands behind the scenes, "hush" money, bribe money... there's more crime in Congress than anywhere else! I could see that plan working, but there should also be a cap placed on the legal (or illegal) income any elected official can earn. Hilary Clinton was given a "bribe" of close to $1 million to keep her mouth shut about a universal healthcare plan. If things like that were stopped, our economy would be in a much better position. At least, that's my opinion.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
1 Apr 09
Some very good points as well. In fact I don't think there is any hope for this system.
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• Philippines
2 Apr 09
but where will the 1 million each will come from? is it a stimulant package kind of thing? well everybody is doing that i think. government of different countries gives stimulant money for the economy to boom again. i just wonder if that will be effective. i also wonder why did we have this global financial crisis and what's taking it so long for the economy to get up again..
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
2 Apr 09
Those are all good questions. The fact has been proven over and over again that as long as you give people money they will expect to receive it. The only way to stop this is for people to take responsibility for themselves. Unfortunately there have been so many years that people have depended on the government to take care of them that they no longer have the skills to take care of themselves.