Insulting America in France isn't enough, now Obama's bashing us in Turkey!

@Taskr36 (13925)
United States
April 7, 2009 10:20pm CST
Seems Obama just can't get enough of bashing the country that made him president. He already told the world leaders in Strassbourg that Americans have been arrogant, divisive, and derisive. That was a big hit with the anti-American types there. Since that worked out so well he decided to expand on his song and dance by bringing it to Turkey and turning it up a notch. Here are a few highlights. "I say this as the President of a country that not very long ago made it hard for somebody who looks like me to vote, much less be President of the United States." "Our country still struggles with the legacies of slavery and segregation, the past treatment of Native Americans." I started a thread earlier where we came to a consensus that no U.S. president has ever visited a foreign country and called his own people arrogant, divisive, and derisive, but now we're hitting new ground as he brings up things that happened not only 50 years ago, but hundreds of years ago. Have you ever seen Angela Merkel visit a country and remind them of the Holocaust? Does Zapatero travel the world telling people about the Spanish Inquisition? Oh well. Obama's minions don't care. The only fan of Obama's to post in the last thread said it was ok for him to insult the country because she felt that Bush was arrogant, etc. Now anyone can have an opinion on Bush, but we as a nation have been insulted by our elected leader, more than once now. Ok, rant over. Any thoughts?
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@urbandekay (18312)
8 Apr 09
So, Obama's told the truth,; honesty, so they say, is always the best policy all the best urban
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@anniepa (27216)
• United States
8 Apr 09
Dittos! I hope that's brief enough to prevent me from being taken out of context again...lol! Annie
@anniepa (27216)
• United States
8 Apr 09
Dittos! I hope that's brief enough to prevent me from being taken out of context again...lol! Annie
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
8 Apr 09
Don't confuse opinions with honesty. By the way, does Gordon Brown make speeches in other countries about the evils committed by the UK hundreds of years ago?
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@BlueGoblin (1833)
• United States
8 Apr 09
If Europeans never conquered the land from the Indian there would be no United States. How can we apologize for building this country? Do the Turks apologize for conquering the Byzantine Empire?
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@sierras236 (2740)
• United States
8 Apr 09
Is it really any surprise that he screwed up in Europe? I mean he already has shown how little he actually knew about foreign politics in his campaign speeches. I just hope he learns from this trip that his "rock star" status isn't going to help him in talking to countries that hate our freedoms. I hope he learns the lesson that playing nice to foreign leaders isn't really going to change their way of doing things. This America bashing only makes him look weak and incompetent. I really think that he has forgotten that the real strength of America lies in its people and not in its government.
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• United States
8 Apr 09
This America bashing only makes him look weak and incompetent. I really think that he has forgotten that the real strength of America lies in its people and not in its government. I nominate this post for best response
• United States
8 Apr 09
Thank you.
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@urbandekay (18312)
9 Apr 09
No what really makes US look weak, is your neurotic insistence that you are faultless, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. all the best urban
@PrarieStyle (2495)
• United States
8 Apr 09
He's making America look weak. Ware is it getting him? He didn't get anything he wanted, no help in Afghanistan. All he's managing to do is make us look like the laughing stock of the world instead of the great nation we are. He's setting us up for another Jihad attack. In his short time in office he's managed to put us right back to 9,10,2001.
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@urbandekay (18312)
8 Apr 09
No, Bush made you the laughing stock of the world all the best urban
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@urbandekay (18312)
9 Apr 09
And what makes US really look weak, is your neurotic insistence that you are faultless, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. all the best urban
• United States
10 Apr 09
I never said we were faultless. What's wrong with being proud? Why should we be ashamed for something that happened 200 years ago? What does President Bush have to do with anything? I never wanted him elected either, he was just the lesser of two evils. I'm sorry if you aren't proud of your countries accomplishments, please stop trying to take our pride away from us.
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@jashley1 (746)
• United States
8 Apr 09
Listen - I'm all for patriotism - I love America and all that - however, for anyone to sit up here and be truly offended by the words out of our President's mouth is kind of silly to me. How can anyone not agree that slavery has affected America? That it has been a long process and that racism is still very much alive? If that's the case I'd have to say that you may have been living in a bubble up until this point in time - no offense - but look around, its alive all over. Have we come a long way - YES - there are no arguments to that, but this is America - we've had our tests and trials. Americans are spoiled and arrogant much of the time - that's no secret. Americans think they are the best. I am an American - is this the wrong thought? I'm not saying that - I think whatever country you are from, you should have a strong sense of pride - but we have been the dominating country for a long time and that is the affect that it has on our culture. This is good and bad. I did vote for Obama because I didn't think the republicans could change the country that much - however, I'm not his number one fan or anything. We're in the last days and God will do whatever has to be done for his word to be fulfilled. That's a whole different discussion. What I'm trying to say now is that everything Obama has said is the truth - be offended if you will. We are not perfect - we have made huge mistakes as a country and people. He's a realist - being real with other leaders. Do you think if he just went up there and was proud and all arrogant and just spoke highly of America that the people in other countries would receive us better? No - I highly doubt it - after all, it is nothing but America's greed and love for money that got us all in this economic downturn - every country knows that. No excuses - no other reasons - the rich wanted to get richer, and everyone else wanted a piece as well - and now we are all paying for it.
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@jashley1 (746)
• United States
9 Apr 09
Yikes - I hope not! I was just trying to think realistically - not trying to offend anyone honestly... this is what Mylot is about right? Expressing your thoughts openly and respectively?
@tessah (6622)
• United States
9 Apr 09
my thoughts are that obama is being brutally honest. we HAVE as a nation been arrogant, divisive, and derisive.. we DO have a legacy of slavery and segregation. what exactly is it that is making you personally feel so insulted? the fact he isnt sugar coating the actions of this country? pretending we are the be all end all best thing since jiffypop? youd prefer HE also behave arrogantly? gimme a break..
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@anniepa (27216)
• United States
8 Apr 09
Taskr, I didn't say any such thing! I don't see how he "insulted the country". Since you seem to be so easily offended I think you're going to have to grow some thicker skin; that and get over what really is starting to look like a guilty conscience...lol! Annie
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
8 Apr 09
"I don't see how he "insulted the country" "America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive." I must have misunderstood. Are arrogance, dismissive, and derisive compliments? He said that about the ENTIRE COUNTRY. Notice the word "America" preceding his insults.
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@anniepa (27216)
• United States
8 Apr 09
First of all, why would I be personally offended by what Murtha said about his constituents? I guess he knows them a lot better than I do, since I've never even been in that part of the state other than to drive through or fly over, and he won reelection so apparently many of them weren't offended either, which is up to them, isn't it? As one of those small town Pennsylvanians I GOT what Obama meant by his remarks about being bitter, etc. and saw no reason to be offended. Neither did most of my friends and relatives who are fellow small town Pennsylvanians. I wasn't insulted by what the President on his trip because I'm not arrogant nor have I ever represented Americans abroad. Now, Palin's remarks were a bit different, in my opinion which I'm entitled to. It was the people who attended her rallies, the people from the small towns in red states she considered "pro-America" or "real" Americans. If you think I should consider that a compliment, good for you; I know Sarah doesn't represent me nor would she want to represent me. Regarding "that Terkel chick", forgive me for being from a generation when derogatory names for women for accepted and common and I'd like to think we're past that by now. That really wasn't a major issue anyway, I'd just thought I'd throw it in in that particular discussion. Personally, if someone from another country were to directly blame me for the actions of one of our leaders when I'd totally disagree with that leader, now THAT would be a direct insult. Just because you disagree with me doesn't give you the right to insult me. Yes, I was offended by the implication that the small town I live in and those around me aren't pro-America just because we're not part of a red state! Finally, I don't know what "that Terkel chick" said that was so dishonest! Annie
@anniepa (27216)
• United States
9 Apr 09
I wasn't called arrogant by anyone, except for you I suppose. I've never represented our nation in Europe or anywhere else and I've never made foreign policy decisions. Of course I'm offended by being called anti-American because I didn't support a particular candidate. Annie
@starangel (414)
• United States
8 Apr 09
Well, he did speak the truth. america isn't the greatest reputation holder. But, at the same time, is he winning them over by encouraging their hate for us? Is Obama going to take the chance to have revenge on the white folks? I don't care for racism, but it is out there and I do realize that people still cling to the past even though they weren't there. who cares if someone didn't like Bush? I didn't like him either. Even if Obama thinks that way and many americans might agree with it, I don't think it's wise for him to talk like that considering his position. It's almost an open invitation for others to take their aggression out on us to make us pay for whatever we did. But then again, a good way to show humility is to admit our faults. and that's what he did. i guess i'm on the fence with it....i can see pros and cons. The time to worry is when he comes home and opens that can of whoopA$$ we always joked about as kids. lol the country isn't perfect and there are many arrogant people in it, running it, etc. The bush administration completely made a mess of everything. my opinion.
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
8 Apr 09
"Well, he did speak the truth. america isn't the greatest reputation holder." Actually I think we are. Every nation has had slavery at some point. Many nations in Europe, Asia, and Africa were guilty of genocide. There are still survivors in this country from the Holocaust yet Obama somehow seems to hold Germany in much higher esteem than his own country. "It's almost an open invitation for others to take their aggression out on us to make us pay for whatever we did." I don't think I'd have the word "almost" in there. Obama is actually doing exactly what Ahmadinijead told him to. Pretty sad to see our leader taking orders from the president of Iran...
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• United States
8 Apr 09
So now 0bama wants to blame ME for things that happened in the US long before I was born and things that happened while my ancestors were not even in the USA but still in Ireland. Then we need to hold him accountable since his mother's people owned slaves and his father's people sold their fellow Africans into slavery. We also need to hold him accountable for all the atrocities committed by muslims everywhere, if we are to use the same "logic" that 0bama is using to attack US. You know what? If he has such a low opinion of the citizens of the United States, why did he even bother to come back? Let him go run for office in Europe or Islamabad, so he can be among people who feel as he does and we can fill the vacancy with an actual natural born citizen.
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
8 Apr 09
No surprise really. Liberals LOVE to blame "us" for things that happened in this country not only before we were born, but long before some of our ancestors even immigrated here. The fact that my ancestors didn't arrive in this country until the late 1800's, early 1900's means nothing to them. I have light skin so clearly I am to blame for slavery, and atrocities committed against Native Americans.
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@twoey68 (13651)
• United States
14 Apr 09
LOL I like that...first off, blacks have been voting since 1970...long before 0bama was born. Also I wonder what stuggles his mother's family fought in slavery when they owned their own slave. Personally I think he's got some screws loose and is just playing "dress up" for the day...kind of like when little girls dress up and pretend to be princesses. He's playing "dress up" as president, b/c he sure doesn't have a clue what he's doing. [b]~~AT PEACE WITHIN~~ **STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS**[/b]
@deejean06 (1953)
• United States
14 Apr 09
Hi Taskr...I was disappointed and ashamed that our leader would go on a tour of foreign countries and insult his own people. His term cannot go fast enough for me or my family. I think too much time has passed for the European community to remember just how the "arrogant" Americans saved them in two world wars. The main reason we went into Vietnam was to help the French. No one is willing to bring these "inconvenient truths" up when talking about history. My family and I are not arrogant, just hard working normal people who rely on our leadership to protect us. Guess that won't be happening...
@lampar (7597)
• United States
9 Apr 09
He is a truthful president who happen to give an honest statement about USA's history not like his predecessor, fabricate story to wage war and continue to tell lies until so many Americans had to die for believing in him.