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@suspenseful (40316)
Canada
May 10, 2009 9:32am CST
I have read many discussions and gotten many responses and what it boils down to is am I not to love all humanity? And the inferred answer they want, is yes and I would not try to change them. So I am to love evil people, people when they do evil, etc. and to them that comes first. So we have Christians who just sit on the sidelines and do not do anything. They let governments enslaved people, massacred a certain group because as Christians they are supposed to obey the government or any group of people. But is not the Christian's prime duty to obey God and to hate what God hates? And is not the Christian's right to keep people from falling further into perdition, to protest when immorality is promoted, and to keep your friend from sinning? Is not love of man mean that you do not want that man to fall deeper into sin?
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@barehugs (8986)
• Canada
10 May 09
Love is All There Is! God is Love! So how can God Hate? God's Love is Absolute. Absolute love demands absolutely Nothing. Christians have no right to Judge another person,(as to whether they are right or wrong in their beliefs) Least of all to Hate anything or anyone. Would not God want all people to Love absolutely? Who among us can say ( except maybe the Pope,-ha ha ha!) who is falling deeper into sin? Who among us would want to be Spiritual Judge and Jury to their Fellow Man? Who indeed would have that kind of Pomposity?
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
10 May 09
I would expect if we love someone, we do not want that person to harm himself. So if I see someone go buy a bunch of lottery tickets, and I know that person is poor, should I just sit by and let him? That is what this so called love has brought, a rise in evil because people are afraid of protesting against evil because they think if they do, they do not love everyone.
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@barehugs (8986)
• Canada
10 May 09
I would expect that we (as God's children) would Love that person enough, not to interfere and cause harm by interrupting a learning experience, such as buying" a bunch of lottery tickets." The only evil here is ignorance, and to interfere in his life is to shut him off from his learning experience. "Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him forever."
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@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
11 May 09
You have a point there @barehugs that God's love is absolute. But do you think God will love to see you buying lottery tickets instead of having you trusting him for your needs? Yes, he will absolutely wants to learn us things but it does not necessarily mean that we have to experience everything to learn, right? We don't need to drink poison to know that it can kill us.
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
10 May 09
Very good points indeed. According to what Jesus taught we are not to love everyone. Jesus taught that we were to love our neighbor as our self. Then he goes on and explains exactly who is our neighbor and who isn't. It is the story of the Good Samaritan in Luke chapter 10 verses 25 thru 37. You make a very good point about God being against wickedness and we should be also. However Jesus taught that we are suppose to pray for those that harm us in some way and forgive them but he did not teach that we were to love everyone. A true christian will help anyone they can. It doesn't matter if they are friend or foe they will still help them. This is one of the ways we as true Christians can show God in our lives to believers and also nonbelievers. It's important that other believers see this in us too. What you cay about Christians sitting on the sidelines and doing nothing is very true. There is a reason for this though. Very few people are getting what they need concerning God and Jesus from our Christian teaching system. A lot of them sis and do nothing for the simple reason they don't know what to do. Our Christian Teaching System is becoming very confusing. You can hear one teach something and then turn right around and hear someone else say the exact opposite. This is the result of people depending on man for his teaching when they should be depending on God and Jesus to personally teach them through the Anointing of the Holy Spirit. That's the only way God can share his true wisdom and His power with us. Man simply doesn't have it to give to us. There I go getting back on the stump again. Sorry bout that. Art
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
10 May 09
We get taught through his Word as preached by the pastors but if the pastors are hot taught the whole word of the Bible, plus the meanings, the original languages, and the nuances, and the meaning, then they cannot preach a good sermon. One cannot open the bible and just preach. It takes years of study and they have to be dependent on the Holy Spirit. That is why so many make mistakes, because it take time. So our goal is to obey God first, live a Christian life as to lead others to Christ, even bad people.
@twoey68 (13651)
• United States
10 May 09
Heres how I was taught...If you believe in God and follow His word then you follow the lessons taught in the Bible. You don't hate anyone...I also don't believe that God hates anyone. I also believe that we are all born free of good and evil and we are given choices to make throughout our lives that let us choose between right and wrong or good and evil. If your friend, relative, neighbor does something that you believe is wrong, while you can point out that it's wrong or why it's wrong...it's ultimately up to them to make the right choice and only them to answer for the choices they've made. Let's say you neighbor is poisoning cats. You believe that killing any living thing is wrong. You tell your neighbor this but they keep right on doing it. That is there choice and they will have to answer for it. You can however put out food for the cats to try to keep them away from the neighbors house and thereby save their lives. Also if the neighbor goes to jail for cruelty to animals then that is a result of his own choices. You don't have to befriend every murderer, rapist, child molester that comes along but you don't have to hate them either. They've made their choices in their lives and will ultimately pay for what they've done. This is based on the concept that you believe in God and Judgement. Some ppl don't. [b]~~AT PEACE WITHIN~~ **STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS**[/b]
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
10 May 09
Actually God hates evil doers. So it is our duty to try to change the evil doers to not do those horrible things they do. Or to show them a better way. So if a bad person sees that people do not run away from me because they do not see me carry a bloody axe or having a horrid look on my face, they may think "look A does not look like a killer and she is not holding a weapon, so maybe my neighbors will talk to me if i act as she does, and I won't go killing people." The same with you and the cats. If the neighbor who starves his cats sees how nice you are to yours, then she thinks that the cats will not hide when I come around and they will purr.
@twoey68 (13651)
• United States
10 May 09
I'm sorry, I don't believe God hates anyone. He hates evil and He when ppl do evil things then they are not following His words. I agree that we are supposed to set a good example in all that we do for others to follow but it isn't up to anyone else to try to "make" anyone do anything...that's the whole purpose of free will. There's a saying "Hate the sin, not the sinner"...the best thing you can do is when you see someone making a bad choice whether it is posioning cats, killing, robbing, ect...pray for them and let God handle it. Too many times ppl think their beliefs are the only way and they try to force them onto other ppl, even with the best of intentions, and really only succeed in pushing the person further away. [b]~~AT PEACE WITHIN~~ **STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS**[/b]
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@John4Christ (1598)
• India
10 May 09
Well in the bible there is a place where it is mentioned that......the greatest commandment of all is love your neighbors....... And i feel it comes down to that one word "LOVE" if we don't love one another then we are not following gods commandment and whatever it has to offer...... So you are partly right when you say that there are Christians who do obligatory things like going to church, pray and then come back.......no one wants to share their love, many people are not interested to peep into our neighbors life and see if everything is fine or not....... But at the same time i feel, there is nothing that god hates.......you can say dislike........god never hates anything........he even loves his enemies, other things are just minute things in front of it....... But it would not be right if we go and protest against people who promote immorality and stuff.....i feel we should pray for them and god will take care of them.....i also feel that many a times i should go ahead and strike all those people who kill innocent Christians in my country, but then if i do the same then whats the difference between them and me.......nothing......THIS is what god would not like....even god had a chance to plot against all those who wanted to kill him.......but by dying he put all his enemies to shame.....and proved that he was the one true god...... As far as our friends are concerned.....i feel yes we should definitely speak to our friends if they are doing something wrong......sometimes you have to face bitter remarks from them if you go and tell them to change their ways........i feel you should correct them as and when possible and should be accompanied by prayers as many a times god has a different plan for each one of us......Have a nice day !!!!!
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
10 May 09
It is true that we should love one another and pray for those who despicably use us, but we have to pray that God will open their hearts, or that HE will stop their cruelty and we do not know the manner God uses, whether they start to go to Church, whether they have a heart attack, or whether their wives leave them, etc. But some people take love everyone to mean, just say it is all right for them to steal, or to be pedophiles, or psychopaths, or whatever horrible thing they are. And we have many in the Christian Community who just keep their mouths shut and do not say anything. So when someone says we have to love everyone, are they saying that we cannot protest what they do or who they are, because what happens is that these people who do these horrible things keep continuing and bring others down with them.
@byfaithonly (10716)
• United States
10 May 09
I don't believe God hates anyone nor does He want us to hate another person. We may hate what they do or what has happened but love the person, pray for them, and if at all possible (and God's will) be a part of leading them on the right path in life. We can't change people, God created each of us with a will of our own and each person will choice which way they will go. Those forks in the road - as Christians we should do what we can to make the 'right fork' noticable but it's still up to that individual person which way they go.
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@eshaan (6193)
• India
10 May 09
Not only for chritains, the basic principles of all the religion is almost the same, its our duty to stop the people doing sin and try to make him a good man as far as possible. No religion wants us to do things that are wrong, its people who have classified themselves, otherwise to love humanity is expected from every person, to any religion he belongs.
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@riyasam (16578)
• India
10 May 09
i do agree to what you say but attimes ,it is neccessary to be silent and just pray as it is also written IF POSSIBLE LIVE PEACABLY WITH ALL MEN.the meaning of love is in 1 corinthians chapter 13.
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@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
10 May 09
I just follow the golden Rules. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. fits all
@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
11 May 09
nope we are much different at all HIccup!
• United States
12 May 09
I'm to show love to people who don't know Jesus, but I'm not supposed to let them walk all over me because they see an advantage. I stand strong in my beliefs and when they are challenged I rise to meet them. If somebody wants to harm me because of my beliefs I will defend myself, its a basic reaction.
@cynthiann (18619)
• Jamaica
11 May 09
I'm not posting much this week - too much work so am letting all my special friends know. So I cannot respond in detail as I would wish., Basiclaly - God hatres swin but loves the sinner. God still loves evil people and probably Jesus weeps when His peole do evil things but they would welcome that sinner back in the fold if that sinner repents. I don't judge people - I try to help them and appreciate the help that is given to me. Definitely Christians's have the right to protest where immorality is ocncerned etc. Sorry dear - no more time. am off outside in the heat to supervise workmen! Mnay blessings to you and your husband.
• Philippines
11 May 09
That statement reminds me a lot of the people here in my country. there are Christians but they don't fell prey (at least not all) to the Governments corrupt policy and indecent acts. there's always rally and signature campaigns to fight the corruption. well, Christians here aren't deaf. and then, a Priest turned Governor has cleaned up his country of corruption and made the government transparent, besides the fact that he's being hammered by several government officials due to his right deeds and honest job to the people..
@stephcjh (32327)
• United States
11 May 09
Yes. I am so confused as to what they want us to a=do and think anymore. I just do and think in the way I think is right.
@cdparazo (5768)
• Philippines
11 May 09
I don't consciously stand by and judge others. Our idea of right and wrong is SADLY different because it's a product of our different religion, culture and upbringing. What may be wrong for me may be right for others. I may think that it is wrong to force a group of people for follow ones belief but others think that its right. I don't stand by either and let the wrongs be committed. However, I also draw the line. It's just not worth it when in order to change them I have to suppress, hurt or be at war with them. As what Jesus said, if we only love our friends and good people where is the reward in that? So I think we should also love those people who thinks differently from us and do evil things in our eyes. How do we love, i think we should love them by winning them over by showing them how it is and not forcing them nor condemning them and by being patient with them. It super hard i know, but its the only way for me. Just like a friend that i have who did an 'immoral' thing according to my Christian belief. Was i wrong not to be angry with her? Should I have told her she is immoral and sinful to her face? I don't think so. Rather, I strove to understand why she is doing what she does and give her the support that she needs and be with her until she finds her way again. I didn't judge her because I have no right to judge and I believe that i have been more LOVING to her by doing so. I listened to her, supported her, gave her my insights, and prayed for her.