Extending Retirement Age

@lilaclady (28207)
Australia
May 20, 2009 7:23pm CST
Here in Australia our Prime Minister has extened the retirement age to 67.....WHAT....I know I am not the cleverest person in the world but I just don't get...today employment is rising, so why are they keeping people in the workforce longer...I just think life is so short we should not spens all of it working, and 75 is all of it for some people, if they even reach that age..I just think it would be better to lower the retirement age and let younger people have the jobs, theswe people would probably getting benefits from the Government when they don't have a job so I just don't get it...
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@moondancer (7433)
• United States
21 May 09
I guess like our country they are hoping that many people will not make it to that age to draw the money. It's not funny and it's a realistic thing. The governments do not want to pay out this money. It's bad enough that when they do the people are living way below the poverty level and can not make enough money on the side to make up enough to even pay what they must every month much less hat they would like to have. Ours was raised from 62 to 67. The government takes more than half of what we make in taxes every year. They line their pockets and the pockets of ones they align themselves with. We are the ones on the losing end and trying to make it from payday to payday. If we lose a check or even part of it we go into a hole that is hard to get out of financially speaking.
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
21 May 09
I think you may be right
• United States
21 May 09
That is so true on so many angles. It really sux when you miss a pay check you are in a hole. We are in that same position this week, they sent hubby home early so he's 8hrs short in pay. Sad that prices keep going up but not the wages.
@faisai (1138)
• Hong Kong
21 May 09
I think it is just to reflect the fact that people are living longer than before. In the past people living over 70 may already be rare but now the line is pushing closer to 80. Thus, 65 or 67 really doesn't make much differences now. Consider this, if you are a boss and you have a very talented and experienced staff, wouldn't you want him to be in his position for as long as possible to train your other staffs? In addition, the government wants you to work for 2 more years so that they can collect tax from you for 2 more years. You may argue that you've been paying tax for your whole life already and shouldn't it be a stop now? The truth is, people are living so much longer now than before that the cost of supporting them is on the rise. If the government don't extend the retirement age, they will either have to raise the tax on the whole society (maybe the businesses, maybe the workers) or they will have to cut the benefits to the elderly. Which one would you prefer?
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
21 May 09
People should have the right to work for as long as they want but there is benefits being given out at both ends.. Pensions at one end and unemployment at the other...so I think it is better to pay pensions and give the jobs to the unemplyed..yes we are living longer but not many of the people over 50 these days are 100% healthy whether it is to do with physical ot mental.. we only live once so I think everyone deserves to enjoy their last years there are a lot of people in their 70's in Nursing homes, after 60 people start getting a little less agile and clear thinking and i think if people work after 60 they are just in most cases earning money to leave to someone else as they are usually set up by that time...we are grooming a lot of young people sho are beginning to enjoy the free life of not working...one can become addicted to that.
@smacksman (6053)
21 May 09
Not quite lilaclady's argument. When a general retires he is not replaced by a private but creates a chance of promotion to those next in line. Filtering down the chain of command it does provide work for a private eventually (in theory).
@faisai (1138)
• Hong Kong
21 May 09
Hi, lilaclady. Judging from your argument, are you suggesting that due to the rising unemployment that people aged over 65 simply should (or must) retire (regardless whether they are still capable or not) so that the young people can get a job? So, you are suggesting the job handled by the very most experienced staff within a company be replaced by someone with a lot less experience? If we follow this argument, then is it very true that only when all young people looking for jobs get their job and by then people aged above say 50 can remain in their own position? I think that asking the capable people to out of their position to make way for the young people is like asking one's parents to move out of the house because he need to make way for his partners/friends or whatever. If one has made enough money for the life, they always can opt to quit their job. If you are talking about people already accumulated enough in their pension fund that they just cannot take it out until official retired, it is a problem with the scheme where people should be allowed to take out their pension fund if they are willing to declare that they won't be hunting job any longer.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
21 May 09
Hi lilaclady, I agree with you that is ridiculous. People should be able to retire and collect a pension at 60 and certainly no older than 65. Of course I don't think that people should be forced to retire but the option should be there. Blessings.
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
21 May 09
Yes I think we all should have quality time for ourselves after working for years, so many people will just not make it and of course i don't think people should be made to retire, some people like to work but 75 that is not fair, i hope our Government gets kicked out on that one.
@celticeagle (158680)
• Boise, Idaho
21 May 09
If yours works like ours it must take that long to get the points to retire. Doesn't that mean for the younger people now or is it retro for you folks too? Ugly turn of events. I am so glad I retired early and I don't have to worry about such changes anymore. I wish you well. I think we need afew of the oldsters to stay in the game anyway. So these new dinks how it is done. And the employers probably appreciate having some actual workers too. People live longer now too.
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
21 May 09
Yes I retired early too, I was made redundant about 10years ago now and I am enjoying life so much more now and i would like to see eveyone being able to do the same if they wish...
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@celticeagle (158680)
• Boise, Idaho
21 May 09
I hear ya.
@lelin1123 (15595)
• Puerto Rico
21 May 09
This is my theory on retirement once you have worked for 30 years you shouldn't have to work unless you want to. Its just not fair to so many who work into their sixty then die. The whole retirement system is horrible in the United States as far as I'm concerned.
@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
21 May 09
Yes I would vote for you, I think 30 years work should be enough, I just don't understand why our Government here in Australia is doing this I know some would say they are just delaying paying pensions but they have to pay at the other end anyway to the unemployed...I think the Government is crazy...
@happy6162 (3001)
• United States
21 May 09
I agree with your 30 years retirement plan. The United States retirement system has lots of problems and it gets worse all the time. Makes you wonder if there will be any money for retirement in the future. Only time will tell.
@Jixapose (97)
• United States
21 May 09
Not that long ago in human history, the average life expectancy was in the 30's... But now we have so many things to extend our lives, that living into the 100's is no longer such a rare event. Only so many people can live off of the labors of others at one time, and just take a look at how many 'need to have' things we've developed: televisions, cars, regular medical checkups, designer clothing, computers and telephones, prescription glasses... The list of things each person needs to function in a highly industrialized society had grown, and the costs of supporting individuals has risen. Now that it's not as common for 15 years olds to have a job anymore, the need to fund these costs are pushed upward the age bracket. This is what happens when a society/nation decides to pursue socialized retirement. The costs have to be paid from somewhere, and less of the burden is expected to be held by the individual families of the older people.
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
21 May 09
but we are paying unemployment at the other end because all the older people have the jobs....;
@faisai (1138)
• Hong Kong
21 May 09
Hi lilaclady, I don't think we are "paying" unemployment as the price because technically speaking people who "retired" are unemployed. It is just if we lower the bar of retirement age to say 60, then those people can be "ignored" from the unemployment figures. Requiring elder people to give up their job for the young is just paying "support for elderly" in trade off for a look-like lower unemployment rate. faisai
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
24 May 09
Here in the US they keep on raising the Retirement age as well for when you can get Social Security, etc. to where eventually there will be nothing left anyways so you will have to work your whole life, and still have nothing to show for it as well. I wish there was a way to change things, but we see people working in their 60s, 70s and even 80s here. I guess it is what works best for them.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
25 May 09
Working people contribute more to the government coffers than retired people. As for letting people retire earlier so young people can have their jobs...I don't think that will happen. Some of these people would have had their job for years and some young person simply would not have the experience to take over the work. Of course it's a multi faceted work force we have and pretty difficult to generalise as such.
@abbey19 (3106)
• Gold Coast, Australia
21 May 09
I completely agree with you lilaclady, and for the life in me, I cannot understand why our Prime Minister has extended the retirement age to 67. I think after working 30-40 years is enough for anyone - give our younger ones a chance I say.
@abbey19 (3106)
• Gold Coast, Australia
23 May 09
Thanks for BR lilaclady!
@gr8life (6251)
• Malaysia
26 May 09
Hello lilaclady, I think it is not a good idea to extend the retirement age. Here in Malaysia, our retirement age is at 55 but at 45, you can opt to retire if you are working as a government staff. For private sectors, the retirement age is set at 55, not more than that. Unfortunately, I am working for Japanese where their retirement age is at 60. I don't think I am going to work that long. Maybe I will choose to retire when I am 55 or maybe 50. My Japanese friend told me once that in Japan, there are less youngsters and so the government decided to let senior citizens to work longer than they suppose to, if they choose to work!
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
Wow..the age limit seems to increase by the day, I tell you. I feel the plunge too. If only the retirement age is not increased, then it will be more awesome to enjoy our 'old life'. Some don't even have the luxury to enjoy their retirement fund since they are either too sick or die before that age reaches.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
22 May 09
Could it be becaue the unemployment benefits goven to young people is less than the benefits given to senior citizens? In other words is the government saving money by doing this?
• India
31 May 09
Hello my friend lilaclady Ji, In our country , different norms are followed. For defense it is maximum 57 yrs now, for teachers, it is 62 yrs, for others it is 60 yrs. For Politicians there is no age bar. I think, one should try and become politician. may god bless you and have a great time.
@K46620 (1986)
• United States
22 May 09
Probably because they cannot afford social security type benefits. People are living longer and longer on average, and that is costing more money.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
21 May 09
my guess and it is a pure guess because I do not live in australia, is because they don't want to pay out old age or social security whatever you call the government pension for seniors, chopping off two year of it gives the government more money
@venshida (4836)
• United States
21 May 09
I really don't think they should. Let's face it when you are older it's harder to find employment. If you have worked all your life and you are bless to reach 65 years, you should be able to enjoy the fruits of your labor. I for one have no desire to work that old.
@maximax8 (31053)
• United Kingdom
21 May 09
In my home country the retirement age has gone up over the last five years. I agree that unemployment is rising and so it would be better to make retirement age younger not older. I think that 55 or 60 years old would suitable ages for retirement. Many older people would love to retire and younger people would love to have a job. I wonder what the retirement age will be when I reach old age.
• United States
21 May 09
I hate to say it but I think my retirement age if I last recalled correctly I could try @ 68 but I'd make out better if I waited til 70. I know here in the US there will be no retirement for my generation. They say to save money for your golden years well how can one these days unless you have a great job & education to go with it to save anything. Then they $crew us into paying into our Social Security system wich they say will be bankrupt by 2016. WELLLLLLLL the government over the years put their hand in to that trust fund because it was so plentiful and wasted on other bullflop and now it's short. I"m sure it's partly due to the "baby boomers" but other than that generation there hasn't been a hike in birth rates since around then due to economy and the shift in society over time. So it's also the "baby boomers" who are draining ours. Sad thing is there are so many older folks that are still working and you know the minute they stop they get sick because they stop moving & pass on. And you know they set up our retirment system based on information from the 1920's as to a person's longevity.... they just assumed by making it 62 that most would not live long enough to recieve benefits but science has definatly put a damper in that lil plan with modern meds people are living alot longer. And as they live longer their medical bills and expenses increase just as the rest of us will when we get there. But I agree if people could retire early then it would free up some jobs in the workforce. However, alot of the people still working know they'd be bored at home, need the income, and or insurance that their company provides.
@tundeemma (894)
• South Africa
21 May 09
that will be the ideal thing,the age of retirement is quite short for some people to gather the ideal financial strength that can help them live a good life at their old age, in africa, a lot of government workers do reduce their ages just to beat the retirement age and i dont blame them because they have to feed their families as well
@technoobs (406)
• Philippines
21 May 09
I think its not good to have an age retirement of 65 and above. Though they might have that strong minds even at that old age, they should be retired since we have lots of people awaiting to do that job and much even vulnerable than those who are old enough. One issue regarding those kind of age retirement is that will they deliver their job? Or they might forget something and cannot deliver the work due to old age? I hope in my country, doesn't see that to be passed over the congress though no one have submitted it for review. Having to consider employment needs, we should think that by the age of 55 might be better as a retirement age, having it in age 60 be force retirement. Especially considering health to old age they should be resting and enjoying life rather than be working. There are lots of promising people to hold that job just in case people ahving to retire have done their best as well.