Animals versus kids.

@suzzy3 (8342)
June 4, 2009 3:49pm CST
Perhaps it is me,I consider myself an animal lover but I was reading something the other day in the paper about a pregnant woman whose husband had two little dogs ,they were stafforshire bull terriers,now she was very worried about having these dominant dogs around her baby,as most dog attacks we done by these types of dogs,not that I am a one to caste aspersions over these dogs or the husband.It just would be no contest in my house the dogs would go if I was concerned about my babies safety.There was another story on the news a while back about this lady who was living in her car,we all sat shocked "poor woman she is over sixty and living in a car ,something has gone badly wrong" Until you find out all the facts the local housing association had offered her two flats and money for furniture .start up money we call it.Amazingly she had refused both properties because she could not take her dogs with her,I can understand she loved her dogs,but to live in a car in the winter at her age,no running water,no loo, or cooking facilities for hot food.She would probably die of exposure or something very nasty.I did not find out what happened to her maybe her mind was going.Am I on my own in thinking some people would rather risk life and limb and baby to keep their dog,surely a friend or a good home could be found.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Jun 09
Unfortunately I think a lot of people go by old "wives" tales when it comes to pets and children and like most wives tales are completely false. Any dog, of any breed is capable of being vicious if the inkling is there and shouldn't be associated to certain breeds, but I was raised in an environment with pet dogs. My father's side of the family raised hunting dogs...therefore my parents had two dogs as well, I even have several photos that were taken of me when I was only a baby (about a year old though my parents had the dogs before I was born)--this photo shows me sitting on the living room floor surrounded by these two gigantic dogs--was I harmed? NO I wasn't. I agree with the poster AngryKitty...if you take in a pet you are committing yourself to taking care of that pet for it's lifetime and shouldn't be discarded just because of a baby coming into the family...that pet IS part of the family--pets are not disposable like furniture--pets and children, even babies can get along very well together as witnessed in my own young experience
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@suzzy3 (8342)
9 Jun 09
I completely agree with you we grew up with a dog and we never had a problem in fact it did us good ,having a dog was fun.This particular lady is worried about her dogs to start with,staff bull terriers.Which just happen to make the headlines everytime a small child has had its face ripped off.I think it is the breed rather than the fact they are dogs.
• United States
4 Jun 09
I love animals, but I'd always put my family first. Most dogs are loving with children unless they were taught to be aggressive in the first place. I don't think the breed is really relevent. I would have to give up my animals if agressionwas an issue though. I'd also take a home if it was offered. If you don't have the resources to care for yourself you can't possibly take proper care of an animal anyways.
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@suzzy3 (8342)
4 Jun 09
To right I am glad it is just not me.
4 Jun 09
Hi suzzy, I don't really think its a good idea to have dogs as well as babies, in the end if the dog bites the babay the dog will have to be destroyed, they should give the dogs to a good home. I have tow cats but no children so I treat my cats as my children but people do treat their dogs as children and they are part of the family, it is very hard to part with yuour pet, but in the old lady case, why don't they rehouse her where she can keep her dog, that is so sad. Tamara
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4 Jun 09
Hi suzzy, Horse in the kitchen????, well that is taking the "P" I love horses but wouldn't keep him in the kitchen, haven't got room to swing a cat, lol! Tamara
7 Jul 09
Hi suzzy, thanks you so very much for giving me best response, take care and hugs, Tamara
@suzzy3 (8342)
4 Jun 09
It is sad.The trouble is she would probably look after the dog and keep it properly but housing is in short supply and the housing association has strict rules for animals,when i lived on an housing association estate someone acutally kept a horse in the kitchen made hell of a mess and kicked the kitchen to bits.That will make you laugh.
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• United States
4 Jun 09
Should young children come first? Absolutely. However, blaming the dog because of it's breed before the babies are even born is irresponsible. Bull terriers are not the ones that most commonly bite - over 25 different breeds are responsible for the 238 dog bite related fatalities in the US - you just hear about Bull Terriers the most because people are the most afraid of them. If your friend is truly worried, she should have the dogs go into training right away, before the baby is born. Also, establish rules now, before the baby even comes. Let them see everything that gets set up for the baby, see where the baby's space is, and let them know that they are forbidden to go in there. If dogs are properly and consistently trained, children and dogs together won't be a problem. It doesn't matter what breed it is. It's not fair to judge them guilty before they even do anything. Also, with bull terriers, they are usually dominant to other dogs, not humans. Again, it all goes back to training.
@suzzy3 (8342)
4 Jun 09
I would not personally take the chance with my baby but it is up to you what you are willing to risk.
• United States
5 Jun 09
I had dogs and cats before I had children, and I still have them. My pets new a baby was coming, the bassinet was in my room for weeks before the events so they got used to seeing it. While in the hospital after birthing them each time, somebody i my family would bring home a blanket or clothes that had mine and the baby's scent on them so they got used to the new smell. Then when I got home with the baby, I gently introduced the baby to each pet by holding the baby and petting the animal while saying nice things. My one dog who was dominant over the other pets was VERY protective of my kids, and would never hurt them. I never had a problem with the kids and pets. There was NO REASON to get rid of my animals simply because we had children, the kids love the pets and the pets love the kids. When you take an animal into your home, it is a lifetime commitment, meaning you commit to caring for it for it's entire life. If you think you will discard your pet simply because you are having children, you should never have a pet. It's stupid to send them away without even giving them a chance. My children's lives are enriched by having pets, thy are great companions for kids and the kids learn about compassion and responsibility from an early age. Why deprive your kids of the blessings an animal companion can give without ever giving your pet a chance to love your child?
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• United States
11 Jun 09
Thanks, flyinglove, it's nice to see I'm not the only person who feels this way.
• United States
11 Jun 09
i've spent years working in child welfare, and i have seen the bond between some very broken children and their pets. the horrible thing is that when mom or dad abuses and/or discards the pet the children are damaged even more, not to mention that they learn that it is ok to make other living beings (including humans) suffer and be discarded at will. and really, if you one can't handle a few dogs wtf is one doing getting pregnant, anyway? sounds like a really irresponsible person all the way around.
• United States
8 Jul 09
AngryKitty, I completely agree. Regardless of having kids or not...when you adopt an animal, you adopt it for life. It's so sad to see how many animals are at the pound just because the couple who adopted them had kids. How horrible. An animal is a life just like a child...and it doesn't matter which one is most important to you, the animal still counts on you to be his or her parent just as much as the kid. If you had a younger child that didn't get along with an older child, would you get rid of the older one? I would hope not...I'd hope you'd find a solution to your own actions. I never understood families that didn't let the kids grow up with animals either. My husband's dad has young kids and no animals...the house seems empty and creepy to me. I shudder thinking of it. Then again, I grew up in a house that was practically a zoo. :)
@vivianchen (2646)
• China
5 Jun 09
Hi Suzzy, I love dogs, i really do! I like playing with them, train them, talk to them. But if i get married and try to have a baby, i think it will be better keep my dogs somewhere or a little far away from the babys. As we all know that dogs knows human, they are the best friend of humans, but some of dogs get jealous when they saw their master don't care that much about them, because their master now focus on the little babe, something bad could be happen. I think the best way to do is raise a dog when your baby is old enough to play with them.
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@suzzy3 (8342)
6 Jun 09
I think you are right get a dog when the babies already established in the house.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
20 Sep 09
2 goats and a dog, living happily together. - I love to see my animals getting along happily and sharing the space they live in. Banjo the cat is inside.
In this photo is Pickles the white goat, Lucy the dog and Tulip, the little brown goat.
Dogs won't attack unless provoked. While saying that, I think it's also possible that jealousy could maybe provoke an attack. At the first sign that the dog/s were getting a bit antsy around the little one, they would be out. As for the lady in the car...I'm afraid I wouldn't abandon my dog on principle either. My animals and I, we are a team. If there was no-one to help me or give me a hand then there would be no-one to take the dog/animals. They would have to be put down. We're a bit lucky though...firstly, I own the home where me, my cat, dog and 2 goats live and secondly, if something did go wrong, there are plenty of empty homes round here, I would simply go squat in one.
@suzzy3 (8342)
21 Sep 09
Good for you and lets hope things never get that bad.
@walijo2008 (4644)
• United States
4 Jun 09
I know alot of people are animal lovers, and I am too, I have several dogs here at home, but I don't think I would love them enough to lose my home over them, if I had to choose between my dogs and a place to live I'd have to choose a place to live, then I would do what I could to find good homes for my dogs, maybe a place where I could go and visit them once in awhile. As for the lady having a baby, I'd probably do the same thing she did, if it was for the safety of my baby.
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@suzzy3 (8342)
4 Jun 09
you have to be sensible over both matters sad as it may be. common sense must be used.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
5 Jun 09
I like animals to but think u can carry it too far & i think she did. I HAD A DOG WHEN I WAS PG WITH MY FIRST SON. mY LITTLE COUSIN CAME TO STAY w/me a few days & the dog snapped at him. He was jealous of my little cousin & i knew he was going to be of the baby so i found him a new home. I hated to but no dog or no person was more important to me than my baby. FOR that woman to refuse a place to stay was ridiculous.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
5 Jun 09
THANKS for the kind words. That was 49 years ago but i still remember his name. it was hobo. He was just a mutt but i loved him but loved my little cousin & the baby that i carried more. HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
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• United States
5 Jun 09
Maybe he wasn't jealous but thought he was protecting you? My dog didn't want anyone she didn't know near me when I was pregnant, and when the babies came home she loved them and would never hurt them, but she didn't want people she didn't know and trust anywhere near my babies.
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• United States
5 Jun 09
Sweetheart, you did what you felt was best for your child. I'll not judge you on that. I'm sorry if I've made you feel bad. We can't change the past, and you did the responsible thing and found that dog a new home, you did not abandon him the way some people do. It's hard to be pregnant, those hormones do crazy things to our emotions and make us sometimes do things that might seem irrational later on. You did what you felt was best at the time, and you did it the right way by finding a new home for your pet. There is no shame in that. Plus, since you were so fearful, the dog might have picked up on that and could have become a hazard if he'd stayed.
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@rrdj71 (696)
• United States
4 Jun 09
I LOVE animals as well but I would not put my life, health or family at risk for any animal. I would either find them a "foster home" until I could take them back or make sure I find them a good permanent home instead. But these people are outrageously ridiculous!! I would not sacrifice my babies or my housing for an animal no matter how much I love it.
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@suzzy3 (8342)
4 Jun 09
you would do the same as me.We have the rspca in England and other charities who take animals where people cannot cope with or cannot keep for any reason,they are looked after well.
@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
9 Jul 09
I am a lover of animals but not to the extent where i would sleep in a car just because I was not allowed to take my animals into my home.Wow I am happy though to know there are persons out there who are passionate about animals because this means that animals wont suffer
@suzzy3 (8342)
10 Jul 09
I am glad you love animals but to keep them in a car is hardly in my opinion being kind to them,they need to keep warm and have plenty of room to move about.Passionate people would put the animals welfare first not their own.
@happy6162 (3001)
• United States
5 Jun 09
I love animals too, but my family does come first. If I was afraid of the dogs and my baby then the dog would have to go. No, you are not wrong some people think that they can have the dog and the baby will not be harmed. But you just never know what that animal might do no matter how long you have had that pet. Some people will do anything for there pet.
@suzzy3 (8342)
9 Jun 09
It was not meant to anger you.infact i completely agree with you about the commitement to animals ,thats why we no longer have pets because we spend so much time away from home ,it would not be fare on the animal.This lady is already frightened of the staff bull terriers herself.It is a sad fact that normally when you hear a child has had its face ripped off,this breed of dog is normally to blame.We grew up with a dog ourselves my own kids used to have three pets each when they were kids.I put a short answer and should have put this one instead.
@suzzy3 (8342)
6 Jun 09
you obviously value your pets the same as your kids.
• United States
6 Jun 09
You obviously like to make assumptions about people and likely did not read my response to this discussion. When you get a pet, you make a commitment to care for it for the est of it's life. If you cannot make that commitment you should not have pets. You don't just throw them away when it becomes inconvenient for you. I love my children with all of my heart, it doesn't mean I'll abandon the animals that I committed to caring for for their entire lives when they have shown no indication whatsoever that they would ever do any harm to my kids. That would be stupid. Lots of families have pets AND kids, if you are not a moron you can find out how to make the transition for the animals when baby comes home smoothly and safely. too bad so many people are too stupid or lazy to do that.
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@jb78000 (15139)
5 Jun 09
i love my pets but if it came to it would put family and friends first. it sounds though as if this lady's pets are all she has. i think if i was her situation i'd choose my pets, not the flat. by the way most dogs are fine around kids no matter what the breed - i think someone else pointed that out
• United States
5 Jun 09
As much as I love animals, my kids would, and will always, be top priority in my life. They are my legacy after all. I make sure my kids have everything they need, a roof over their heads, clothes and shoes to wear, health care and I see to it that they get a good education as well. Oh, and plenty of love of course. No way would I ever put any kind of pet above them.
@meandmy3 (2227)
• United States
5 Jun 09
I am an animal lover and really do enjoy dogs, in fact I am a dog person but I would never allow a dog in my home that could harm my children in any way