Is it ok to make assumptions based solely on a political view?

United States
June 6, 2009 11:53pm CST
Do you think that it is right to make sometimes hurtful assumptions about a person just because of their political view? I was on the nasty end of this and I thought it was wrong, when does debating draw the line and become nasty? Do you think its necessary to insult someone just because they stated a political stance, plain and simple,,,,yes if someone says something racist, or links to a homophobic story, that is some fact about the person's personality, but when you don't know a person, is it okay to pass critical judgement on them only because of their views? This goes to people of all views,,,,i'm just curious as to where you think the line should be drawn
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@grammasnook (1877)
• United States
7 Jun 09
Okay spicy so I know who you are talking about lol, I would think with some things that are said that if seen by certain individuals they could actually be charged with defamation of character. There are just people that tend to cross that grey line continously.
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• United States
7 Jun 09
thank you for seeing it, it makes me feel like im not just over-reacting or being sensitive, i know that politics can make people touchy, but there is a grey line like you said and I don't think anyone should willingly cross it
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• United States
7 Jun 09
The way I look at things is that politics should not be mixed with religion the same way religion should not be mixed with politics. Religions are for groups of people that have the same beliefs. Laws are made for everyone no matter what race or religion one is. The worst thing is that many fantics turn to the bible as long as it suits them. They are willing to print quotes and so forth, then in another post turn around and talk about not needed a piece of paper to be together (living in sin) A sin is a sin if you claim to be walking in line with God. I guess some of the rules can be broken in their eyes. My thing is if your going to preach the bible you should be following it through out. Does it really make a difference if a "black" muslim man killed the soldier? Not in my eyes the fact is that someone killed another. Stereotyping will be around forever. If you pay attention to the media they only show "black" people as being gang member and thieves, "white" as being child molestors "repubs" as being racist and "dems" as being tax invaders. The true fact is we have these things in all races,religions. politics. Some just feed into the media more than others and take it as their personal bible. It is as if they do not have a mind of their own.
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• United States
9 Jun 09
Oh Ok now im not sure if we are on the same page, i was actually talking about an issue on a discussion about pro-life vs Pro-choice, is that not what you originally thought????????
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@xfahctor (14131)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
7 Jun 09
I find it almost pathetic and worthy of ridicule in itself. I am amazed at how many people assume I must be a republican because I hold some conservative social views and because I don't vote democrat. I didn't vote for Obama therefore I must have voted for McCain. I often find myself nearly having to tie a gag on my mouth to keep myself from ridiculing people who make such assumptions. I also find it equaly hillarious when people assume I am christian because I am conservative or because I am pro-life.
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@jb78000 (15173)
7 Jun 09
good point xfhactor - i've seen some of your other posts and we almost certainly don't agree on most things but that makes sense
• United States
9 Jun 09
You and I don't always agree, but just as i made a long post to Spalladino's last response that things shouldn't be viewed as "democrat or republican", sometimes the whole thing becomes more like a grudge match more than politics or fighting for the issues, when i fight for what i believe in, im not thinking "oh this damn republican" or anything like that, and i wish more people wouldn't label people they don't know....and I know how you feel about being labelled christian because i think for the first time in my life somebody assumed i was christian in another response on this discussion, since you know me on mylot you know how this made me take 5 steps back and say "whoa" somebody on mylot thinks im christian?
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• United States
9 Jun 09
whoa i don't know why i said spalladino, i meant irishidid
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@irishidid (8714)
• United States
7 Jun 09
Excellent question spicy. Several of us here have been called names like "white sheet wearers" because we've had opinions about Obama that they didn't agree with. None of what we ever said was racist but because we said it about Obama they decided it was. There were a few that were just silly. What I find funny is the assumption that someone is republican or democrat based on who they voted for. People vote outside their party all the time. I did in this election and have even voted for those of a different party while voting in my party. One example would be Bob Dole who I voted for senator while voting democrat for the remaining. I tend to look at the person running rather than the party.
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• United States
8 Jun 09
I hate it when people assume that about people that don't agree with Obama, if they don't say anything racist or harp on that someone is black when its totally irrelevent, then calling that person racist is out of line, I am lucky because I can see both sides, i have a half brother who is half black, but I don't like people playing the "racist" card, Im also a fan of Obama but because of my experiences i know better than to play everything as a race game.... its demeaning to politics and only hurts black people, or anyone who isnt white, because if people keep just automatically saying "oh you don't like him because he is black" then we are never going to get anywhere because they demean everyone into the assumption that everyone bases their opinion on skin color and not choices, intelligence, words, experience, etc.....and it still is going to continue to be just about different colors of skin, and not the way it should be as we are all viewed as one
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@irishidid (8714)
• United States
8 Jun 09
Exactly. Like you I have mixed in my family and I suspect many of us do. My adopted niece is Hispanic and her kids are mixed. I consider them family no matter what. I find it funny when I get called a republican or a "Bush Lover". While I have voted republican at times it by no means makes me one. I didn't vote for Bush either time.
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• United States
9 Jun 09
To me, in politics the labeling of "left wing" and "right wing" or democrat and republican has become almost like "political profiling", i hate it when people say "oh the left wing this" or "oh the right wing this"...i had another discussion that i posted, the article really was against republicans but my real interest in the article was that it supported the idea that many more people are becoming neither right or left, I think that no one should vote just because the candidate is the party that they identify themselves as, I wasn't old enough to vote but I remember the california recall when Arnold ran against Cruz Bustamante, i was old enough to understand politics and i knew that i was more left but i still supported Arnold not because he was "Arnold" ya know, but because Cruz seemed like a crook, my parents were the same way....I didn't like the way california turned out but still it could have been worse with Cruz.... in response to the fact that people call you a "Bush Lover" because they assume you are republican, I almost think that the U.S is like in this "defense and offense" syndrome,,,,Bush got so much flack that people are nasty and sterotype republicans or anyone who sounds republican as liking Bush and they are on the offense,,,,,people who sound or are democrat are stereotyped as Obama supporters, im not claiming to not be an obama supporter im just pointing out that in this day and age when not everything is democrat or republican in politics, this kind of stereotyping is dumb and detrimental to politics because im so tired of it being "left vs right"
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• India
8 Jun 09
hi i am not a christian like u...i am a indian guy and read our indian scriptures very often...and i had read bible few years back....so i know some quotes of jesus... which i can remind you now from ur ignorant gestures... the quote is "Do not accuse anyone falsely" so before saying something wrong about a person whom u never knew...think many times and make a decision inside ur heart whether am i doing the right thing... how can u say something wrong about any person without knowing him inside and outside...u shouldnt criticize that way....be good... bye luv shek india
• United States
8 Jun 09
Whoa hey i think you totally misread my topic, first of all im not christian, I was the one who got attacked for my views,....i try to make my topics on political discussions unbiased because I don't want to single out a view of people, but i was NOT the ignorant one, i got attacked and put down by someone because i expressed a opinion,,,,you kind of contradicted yourself by calling my gestures ignorant when you didn't know my gestures
• India
8 Jun 09
hi i am sorry. stay cool. send ur pic... i wann see that angry face.... bye luv shek india
@loudcry (1044)
• India
11 Jun 09
Shekhar here is completely of the mark.
@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
8 Jun 09
That depends on how frequently they commit the "offense". If they constantly link to hateful or purposely misinforming websites, then I don't see why you shouldn't be able to judge them on it. I'm sure they may be a nice person in real life, but I know a lot of people who are nice, yet have rather nasty views. That in itself doesn't reflect very well on a person.
• United States
8 Jun 09
I guess my original post wasn't worded right, i agree with you about the constant hateful linking that you should be able to judge them....i was more talking about passing judgement on someone that just makes a statement that is not hateful or anything like that, and stating something nasty about them just on their views..if someone says something racist or bigoted, then you can judge them (in my opinion) but just stating a viewpoint (in a non- attacking way) doesn't merit unecessary personal life judgement and attack ,in my opinion
@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
8 Jun 09
I agree, but it happens. It's happened to me once or twice.
@spalladino (17925)
• United States
8 Jun 09
No, it's not right but it happens fairly regularly on this board. There are strong sentiments on both sides of several issues that are regularly discussed here and some folks get carried away...or have trouble expressing themselves in a civilized way. I've been on the receiving end of assumptions more times than I can recall and I'm absolutely certain it'll happen again. Don't let it get to you.
• United States
8 Jun 09
Thank you for your response, and im trying to get over it but, im sure as you saw in a particular discussion, i was very offended and upset.the thing i didn't like was that this person kept making assumptions (that were nasty) about my life no matter if i told them the truth...and refused to apologize even though they were wrong about me.....needless to say i did learn my lesson and will try to construct a mylot shield over my feelings
• United States
9 Jun 09
This reminds me of an old saying Sticks and stones may break my bones but your judgement will not affect me. So yeah I changed it a bit!
@anniepa (27238)
• United States
11 Jun 09
No, I don't think it's ok to make assumptions but that doesn't mean people won't continue to do so. Right now I'm in the middle of a schoolyard fight over David Letterman's tasteless and crude jokes about Sarah Palin and whichever daughter you choose to believe he meant, although HE'S made it clear who HE meant. Of course, I'm the evil liberal who supported President Obama and "always" viciously attacks Palin so I think it's funny for a "left-wing" comedian to joke about a 14 year old girl being raped. The OP of the discussion has called me a hypocrite and a liar among other things. Of course, since Bristol Palin had a child out of wedlock I think it's fine to call her names. I also think Sarah should have had an abortion when she discovered her youngest son would have Downs Syndrome. All of these and other assumptions which are constantly being made about me couldn't be further from the truth but that doesn't stop the right-wingers here from making them. Annie
• United States
12 Jun 09
That reminds me of last year when she was running, one of my brothers friends is a huge Sarah Palin fan and once I said that I was not a fan, he accused me of thinking that Sarah should have had an abortion, and I quickly busted out my wallet which has a picture of me and one of my dear friends,,,,who has Down Syndrome,,,,the guy turned red and didn't know what to say ...It's hard on here because there's no way to "proove" something to someone who makes assumptions like that, but boy its great when you can in person
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@ra1787 (501)
• Italy
7 Jun 09
If someone has different opinion i completely respect that. Of course if someone blindly follows some political view without any personal thought this is not something i appreciate in a person but i usually just avoid the discussion in that case.
• India
7 Jun 09
Well, I think where the line should be drawn depends on both parties. Politics can play a vital role in opinion formation only if we allow it so. There are many sides to any particular situation and how deeply we are influenced in our sole discretion. So I have seen people who become so opinionated that they start abusing others who dont conform to their views...no doubt they are similarly treated. Personally, though I would draw the line before any personal remanrk...a political debate is purely impersonal issue and though our own lifestyles and upbringing may influence our thoughts...it should not affect the capability of our thought process to differentiate between public and personal life.
@jb78000 (15173)
7 Jun 09
i disagree with a lot of my friends, and some mylot users, but certainly don't think they're bad people because of this. obviously if someone comes up with bigoted views it says something about them (not the shiniest apple in the fruibowl) but just having a particular poitical stance says nought
@burnkate (68)
• United States
7 Jun 09
I personally think that this is a wrong thing to do because if you don't know the person you shouldn't talk crap about the person (I am not going to stand here and say I have never done this because then I would be lying and I try not to lie to the best of my ability) I think that after you see what a person is like then you can say stuff (based on their actions) I believe that whatever people think then that is their business and if you argue with them its not going to be like they are going to change just because you said something to them ... so I find it pointless to argue with someone based on their beliefs (and again I have done this before and with experience I know their opinion will not be changed because when you start arguing you get more mad then eventually just pop and there goes a fight ...)