McCain jokes about Rape and Chelsea Clinton. What? It's not just liberals?

@miamilady (4924)
United States
June 11, 2009 8:54am CST
It's old news, but I think it's relevant... Okay, so there are two separate jokes. But hopefully SOME of you will get my point. It's not only liberals that can be guilty of tasteless jokes. Am I wrong? If a girl is the daughter of a political figure regardless of their party, unfortunately, if they do ANYTHING that's less than perfect. They will be joked about. Is it right? Of course not? But it's not just the liberals.
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18 responses
• United States
11 Jun 09
I get your point and Letterman did apologize for the Palin thing.
@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
11 Jun 09
No he didn't. Read his statement and you'll notice that he never said he was sorry, or anything of the sort. All he did was deny that it was about Willow and instead claimed it was about Bristol. The words "sorry" and "apoligize" were never uttered.
@anniepa (27248)
• United States
11 Jun 09
So, Taskr, he was supposed to "admit" he meant Willow even if he didn't and then say he's sorry? The joke was in poor taste, which he DID say. He said it was "disgusting", in fact. I've already said I'm not a huge fan of Letterman but I sure don't think he'd make a joke about the RAPE of a young girl! Annie
@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
11 Jun 09
The simple fact is that he didn't apologize Annie. It wasn't even close to an apology. Of course you support these disgusting attacks so you clearly don't feel he owes her an apology anyway. It's all Sarah Palin's fault. I thought Ted's comments to you would make things clear, but apparently it wasn't enough. Try this Annie: You are a skanky wh0re! What I just said was disgusting. There, do you feel like I just apologized to you?
@Destiny007 (5820)
• United States
12 Jun 09
Cite your source about this allegation. In other words, prove it. Show the statement... provide the link. If you cannot, then you have nothing to say. We already know liberals support rape, including the rape of children... so stick a fork in it, because that issue is now done. By making this post, you are showing that you also condone it... so what exactly is your point? You claim McCain made such statements, so it is up to you to prove it.
@miamilady (4924)
• United States
12 Jun 09
I posted the link under the first response. I forgot to add it when I started the discussion. In later responses it was pointed out that McCain denied ONE of the things I mentioned and nobody was able to prove otherwise. I'll respect that information. As far as "condoning it" you and another mylotter have a lot in common when it comes to putting words in peoples mouths. It seems like you also have the mentality that "you're either with us, or your against us". So on THIS TOPIC I won't waste my breath (or typing) with you any further.
• United States
12 Jun 09
You either condone something or you condemn it. You cannot have it both ways.
@miamilady (4924)
• United States
12 Jun 09
I didn't like the joke. But I ALSO don't like the way it tied to ALL liberals. Or at least, that's how some people made it sound. AND I said, it's not only liberals that make tastless jokes. Granted, my examples may not have been the best examples, but please don't sit there and tell me there has never been a conservative who has made a tasteless joke.
@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
11 Jun 09
Well, being that the Letterman incident happened 2 nights ago and McCains disrespectfull and equally appaling comments were made...oh....years ago, perhaps that is why we are talking about Letterman today and not McCain?
@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
11 Jun 09
and incidentaly, the McCain comment on rape was disproven ages ago.
@miamilady (4924)
• United States
11 Jun 09
Yeah, thanks for pointing that out xfahtor. I still stand by my opinion that Republicans can be just as tasteless and democrats. So, now we aren't supposed to talk about stuff that happened "oh...years ago"? And I thought you were one of those people that thought history was important and we should not forget our history and we should learn from it. Pardon my mistake.
@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
12 Jun 09
" still stand by my opinion that Republicans can be just as tasteless and democrats" you won't get an argument from me there, disgusting know no party affliation. As far as not talking about past transgressions, why would we have been randomly talking about a comment McCain didn't make?
@irishidid (8724)
• United States
11 Jun 09
It was two separate jokes. The one about Chelsea Clinton had nothing about rape in it. Neither one was funny.
@miamilady (4924)
• United States
11 Jun 09
I know it was two separate jokes. And they were BOTH inappropriate. My point being that it's not just the liberals who make inappropriate jokes.
@irishidid (8724)
• United States
11 Jun 09
We're in agreement there.
@anniepa (27248)
• United States
11 Jun 09
The one David Letterman made had nothing about rape in it either. It was tasteless and crude but in his own words the joke about the daughter getting "knocked up" was about the daughter that had been knocked up. I don't like that phrase to begin with and I'm not defending Letterman for having used it but to twist it to say he made a joke about ANYONE being raped is over the top. Annie
@ParaTed2k (21841)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Jun 09
Example please.
@ParaTed2k (21841)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Jun 09
Nevermind, I found it online. I also didn't find any McCain supporters defending the joke by saying anything like, "They deserve to be raped in the media". He also didn't make the joke against anyone in particular, much less a teenager. But you won't hear me defending McCain for a stupid joke. It was a stupid joke and McCain is an idiot if he thinks it's funny.
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@miamilady (4924)
• United States
11 Jun 09
Sorry about that. I meant to attach the link in my original post... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPnfnB7fRek I hope this works.
@ParaTed2k (21841)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Jun 09
Np, I know I hit submit before adding links myself.
• United States
14 Jun 09
I didn't hear McCain make the joke, just the reporter read the copy that said he did. If the liberals have to go back to 1986 to get sleaze against a Republican, that's pretty sad. But whether the tasteless jokes are made by Republicans or Democrats, conservatives or liberals, bad taste is bad taste and the person making the joke should be called on it.
• United States
12 Jun 09
It's not that liberals Tell Jokes like this. It's that they Laugh at them. And then spend so much energy defending the teller. And as for Letterman saying that the joke was about 18 YO Bristol....Well that's bs It was 14 Yo Willow that was at the Game with her mother. So why would Dave tell a joke about a daughter getting "knocked up" by ARod if she wasn't even at the game? And if she was "Knocked Up" by A Rod, Then was she raped? Or was he saying she was a willing participant? I think you are the one with the blinders on, miamilady.
@miamilady (4924)
• United States
12 Jun 09
Thanks for your comments. You caught me after I've already burned out on this argument. I think everyone has already made up their minds on how they feel and nobody is going to change the other's mind. Sometimes I WISH I could keep a pair of blinder on. I think life would be a lot easier for me if I was so sure that I was right all the time. Unfortunately I send to see the "gray areas" way too often.
@heathcliff (1415)
• United States
11 Jun 09
There is a common theme here though. Anti-woman sentiment! Rape is apparently free game for jokes for the "old boys club" in Washington. Was there any doubt we would have a minority President before we had a woman President? Is Letterman's joke just the tip of the iceberg?
@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
11 Jun 09
Well McCain never actually made the joke referenced so no, I don't believe rape is fair game for jokes in Washington. I think we could have just as easily had a woman president first. Obama just barely beat out Clinton and the only reason he did was because the media backed him up 100% paired with the fact that the DNC disenfranchised Florida and Michigan who both chose Clinton. Had Clinton won the primaries, it's almost certain she would have defeated McCain in the general election.
@murderistic (2279)
• United States
11 Jun 09
Except David Letterman is a entertainer and John McCain was running for president. BIG difference.... McCain has beeen known for making very offensive jokes.
@ParaTed2k (21841)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
12 Jun 09
True. For that matter, Stanley Ann and Barrack Sr. made a pretty offensive joke themselves. :~d
@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
11 Jun 09
The gorrilla joke was bogus and I'm betting Olberman knew that when he reported it. The claim was originally made in 1986 by a woman who worked for NOW. She claimed that McCain made the joke in front of her and two other people and that's how it got into an article. The two people who she claimed were present both denied that he made that joke and she later recanted. It was a lie, plain and simple. He did make a joke calling Chelsea Clinton ugly once. It was wrong, inappropriate, and completely unacceptable and he did apologize for it. Fortunately no republicans are out there defending his remarks and saying Chelsea needs a thicker skin or to put on her big girl panties as you said about 14 year old Willow Palin.
@miamilady (4924)
• United States
11 Jun 09
You amaze me sometimes Taskr... You should be a journalist. You're great at listening too, or reading someone who says about 500 words and narrowing in on the one sentence that makes them look bad. It's all or nothing with you, isn't it? "You are either with us or against us, is that it?" Again, the fact is, if you're a high profile politician, you put yourself and your family in the line of fire. It sucks. It's wrong for people to make jokes about young women getting "knocked up" regardless of WHO their parents are. Whether they are high profile politicians or the family living next door trying to make ends meet. I have a 16 year old daughter. NO I wouldn't appreciate someone making jokes like that about her. But, if I were in a position that put her in the line of fire, I supposed I'd do my best to prepare her for that possibility.
• United States
11 Jun 09
Liberals do mainly get away with telling tasteless jokes. Let it be a right wing conservative, that person is then called a racist, sexist, a homophobe or some other name only a liberal can come up with. Liberals even get away with cursing and making copies of their raw butts such as Whoopi Goldberg did during the Obama/McCain presidential battle.
@DavidReedy (2411)
• United States
24 Jun 09
Unfortunately, politics (and persuasion in general) has always been about the manipulation of the emotions (and an added dash of slandering.) It's just a sad reality that our present day populace and its so-called leaders have sunk down to the lowest possible levels.
• Canada
16 Jun 09
That is one election campaign I'm glad to see behind us. Thank God McCain and Palin didn't win.
@worldwise1 (14887)
• United States
12 Jun 09
"...less than perfect, miamilady?" That is a mute argument since there is no one who is perfect, so, therefore, everyone is subject to the same scrutiny. In my opinion, we would all be much better off if we quit throwing around words like "liberal."
@matersfish (6311)
• United States
11 Jun 09
I don't know if anyone suggested that it was only the "liberals," at least that I heard. I have heard, and even said myself, that it happens far more often from liberals. However, it's wrong on either side. And more often than not, the liberal side has more media, meaning more firepower, meaning more apologists to tell us that if a person is "famous" or in the limelight, then they're fair game. I don't subscribe to any of these excuses. Grown people should know better. It's just childish; something I'd expect to see on myLot, not the public airways coming from people old enough to be my grandfather.
• United States
11 Jun 09
It is what it is. Individuals should be held responsible for their tasteless jokes not political parties. As long as people laugh and participate the action is going to continue.
@venshida (4837)
• United States
11 Jun 09
They are both disgusting. I think Dave was worse. How could he such a thing about that little girl? Tasteless classless regardless to who said it.
@Rollo1 (16683)
• Boston, Massachusetts
11 Jun 09
I looked it up online too, and found that there is absolutely no evidence that McCain ever told that joke. The youtube video is someone reporting that he told that joke and that he said he doesn't remember it. Well apparently the original reporter had to recant because she has no evidence that he told that joke. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/15/sources-recall-mccains-jo_n_112955.html 'But the McCain campaign denied that he had ever said the offensive gag. "It's pretty obvious to us that this is a politically motivated sideshow," Torrie Clarke, McCain's spokeswoman at the time, said back in 1986. Till this day it has never been proven definitively true or false whether the Senator ever said the line. ' The woman who originally reported it said that other women told her about it, there are no names of women who claim to have heard it. At the time, back in 1986, McCain denied it. Now it's up in front again 22 years later? He certainly did say Chelsea was ugly, and apologized for that. But there is no evidence that he told this rape joke, the story originally was posted on a blog and then picked up by news sources. This 20-some-odd-year-old telling of a joke isn't really a proven case. Could it be true? It's possible but all we know is that someone said he said it, but didn't produce names, and he said he doesn't remember saying it. So it's more than likely something that someone used to discredit him in a campaign and therefore deserves more scrutiny than it received before it became a 7 minute spot on a news show.