Obama's Theology may surprise you. What do you know about his beliefs?

@debrakcarey (19925)
United States
July 29, 2009 11:34am CST
Barack Obama's Christian beliefs may surprise you. Many feel he is a closet Muslim, I for one think he is an opportunist who believes whatever will further his agenda of turning America into a socialist state. I found an article on the web site 'American Thinker' that ties his Muslim roots to his conversion to Christianity. It seems the two can be blended under the umbrella of "Black Liberation Theology" which is precisely what Mr. Obama's mentor the Rev. Jeremiah Wright preaches. Please read the article and let me know what you think. http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog.html
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@spalladino (17929)
• United States
29 Jul 09
The Nation of Islam, which is the black muslim community, has been around since the 1950's. Heavyweight boxing champion Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammad Ali when he joined in the 1960s. I'm sure there is a connection between the Black Liberation Theology and muslim teachings but this, too, goes back to the 1950s, before the civil rights movement, when black Americans were searching for a way to define themselves spiritually as black individuals during a time when Christianity was dominated by white churches.
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@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Black Liberation Theology is about Marxism. Throwing off the oppressor. Liberation theology began in Latin America...when Catholic Priests began getting involved in the overthrow of dictators. They taught that Jesus preached the overthrow of unjust human leaders. Which is not the case at all. The blacks in America got ahold of it in the early 1950's - this is true. But just because they put a Muslim or Christian face on it does not make it a good way to expresss 'spirituality'. Rather it is using the Bible and the teachings of Jesus as an excuse to do away with the democratic principles and system we have here in America. It is a true mixing of religion and politics and it is happening here and now under Obama. Is anyone aware that Louis Farrakan the Black Muslim civil rights leader called Obama the 'messiah'. Instead of discounting this as a religious opinion, we should sit up and take notice. Religion does matter as it is a persons world view!...Obama's worldview is NOT the worldview of the majority of Americans.
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@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
30 Jul 09
I am not so sure that the black Christians were looking for a way to express their spirituality by embracing Black Liberation theology. I think they were looking for an outlet and excuse for expressing their anger. The black church has been very strong all through out the civil rights movement...some took the path of Martin Luther King Jr. who espoused the teachings of Ghandi and Jesus Christ...and some took the path of Louis Farrakan and Cone and others of that tendency towards hate. I don't think hate is a legitimat experssion of human spirituality...rather the opposite.....tending towards human depravity.
@dookuman (97)
• United States
29 Jul 09
A very interesting article, to say the least. But I find that religion has played a large, or at least moderate role in politics for Bush just as much if not more than it will for Obama. The issue with Obama is that his theology may in fact be different than the majority's theology, which is much different that Bush's case. Things like Religion in schools, "In God We Trust" on coinage, and similar issues have all come up before the Obama Administration. The only problem is the majority of the population agrees that those things are okay, where in fact, they are unconstitutional, but what politician will stand up and say that it is? It's a flawed system, but hey, at least people think it works? But more on the article itself, I have to say that I tend to agree with that quote from Obama's book from his mother,"religion is an expression of human culture..." I do really wish we could keep religion out of politics, yet it seems inevitable for the near future at least, but I think progress will be made in the next decade or two.
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@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
29 Jul 09
I am of the opinion that even though many would like to think their 'religion' does not play a part in their politics...it does. Religion is the way a person views the world. Even atheists have a worldview and a system of belief on how to act and interact in this world. That is the definition of religion. A frame of referrence is another way to describe this. How you see the world and your place in it defines how you think you ought to be governed. Law and order began with religion. The gods were seen as ruling man. Government is supposed to be about Law and Order. Religions were the first to impliment LAW. The American way is to be tolerant of all worldviews...and hope all can cooperate under the law of the land. That is why we do NOT have separation of church and state as most believe. That phrase is not found on any of our founding documents. Fact is...we have a government that is prohibited from FAVORING any certain religious belief....but founded on religious principles such as law and order, we have a government that says that all have been given rights by their Creator. We have in God we trust on our currency..which is our method of paying taxes to our government. We take an oath on a religious book...either the Bible or more recently the Quran. We are a relgious people! To vote for someone who has the closest worldview to what you have is only natural. If I am opposed to abortion based on my worldview or religion...I will vote for law makers and leaders who share this belief. That IS the way it works. I am glad you at least read the article. I am seeing more and more that his beliefs (worldview) do not match what beliefs most of America holds...black or white.
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• United States
29 Jul 09
I would have to partially disagree that Law and Order necessarily began with religion. For example, the Code of Hammurabi makes no mention towards religion; although they did worship several gods, that was a separate issue from the law. I do see however that religion may have been essential to gather people all together under a common goal and creating a community for which laws would be necessary. I have to say I am sorry for implying that there is a separation of church and state law in the USA. You are fully right in that regard, my mistake. But I have to point out that the "American Way" recently has not been very accepting. We are very biased towards the Christian theology, which is understandable; we have a majority of Christians in this nation. For example, having "In God We Trust" on coinage can be offensive and is biased to everyone besides Christians. Muslims would prefer 'Allah', Jews 'Yahweh', Polytheists 'Gods', Atheists 'Reason', Autotheists 'Ourselves', and so on. Being a 'democracy' does not give us that right even if Christians are the majority. The Constitution as you said says we can't favor religions, but how aren't we? I also have another small problem with religion in the government. America as you said was founded by a religious people. But it was founded by people who came to America to get away from religious persecution by the Church of England. Who's to say if we let it continue and the government gains control of religion, we won't be in a similar situation of imposed beliefs which we do not believe? Not that the situation is very likely, but something to think about. Indeed, we will always vote on who shares our view; that only makes sense. Anyway, I did enjoy reading your reply and stimulating my brain into thinking.
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@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Thank you for responding. Did you read the article? I will not debate whether we are a Christian nation or not...all I know if Mr. Obama get his way we will not be a democracy anymore. We will be the United Socialists States of America.
• United States
29 Jul 09
opportunist That word could be used to discribe most of our elected officials. It is past time that we the voters clean up washington. Get the lying corrupt jerks out. I don't care what party they belong to. Both sides are over run with them.
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• United States
29 Jul 09
I agree with your statement very much, most politicians are opportunists, like many of us, though when dealing with a country we should have people who care running it, not a bunch of jerks who just want political advancement instead of good adjustments to the country. And yes, both parties are full of them, I feel like neither a democrat nor a republican.
• United States
29 Jul 09
I am not republican or a democrat. I feel the parties as is are the cause of most of the problems we have.
@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Please read the article! We all realize that politicians are jerks...this is not about politics. It is about an attempt to radically change the whole of American social structure! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeese read the article.
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• United States
29 Jul 09
hmmm, I don't really think religion matters when it comes to picking a president, it is more the politics that matter. Whatever Obama does, religion should not play much of a role when it comes to making political decisions. Sure you can have a religion and have religious morals, but never have them imposed on a country. I have no problem with Muslims or Christians, as well as the many other religions that Americans hold on to.
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@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Oh but you are mistaken. Religion plays a big part in this. I do agree that it shouldn't, but in the case of Mr. Obama...it plays a big part. It is not about Muslims vs. Christians. I encourage anyone who wants to respond to this topic to read the article first. The article shows the path from black liberation theology to Islam and finally to our dear leaders plans for America. We in America are so used to our government NOT bringing religion into politics that we are not seeing the subtle hints that Mr. Obama's religious beliefs ARE playing a part in his presidency. Please read the article! It is NOT an anti Muslim rant or a anti Christian rant.
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@dawnald (84109)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Jul 09
What does Obama believe? Only Obama knows for sure. But it's a fascinating read.
@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Oh, I think we can have a good idea of what he believes based on his very public agenda in congress. Not to mention his racism showed during the Gates issue in Cambridge. I do encourage you to read the article. His beliefs are very obvious. This is not about RELIGION...it is not about FAITH...it's about rearranging the social structure of the USA. Please read the article!
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@dawnald (84109)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Jul 09
I read it before I responded.
@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Thanks. I see that now...sorry. I think we can see what his beliefs are from his actions and his history.
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@_sketch_ (5711)
• United States
30 Jul 09
I don't know really anything about his beliefs and as far as religion goes, I don't really care. But I know that what he is doing is not good for the country. He's inexperienced and I don't think that he has a clue what he is doing. I never wanted him as our president.
@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Sketch...you may have to care what his beliefs are when you are forced to live in a socialist state because of them. Like I said, this is NOT about faith in God or the Bible....it is about worldviews. And Obama's worldview is based on the teachings of Marx, Cone and Rev. Wright.
@_sketch_ (5711)
• United States
30 Jul 09
I care about what is happening, but I believe it is inevitable. We can only do so much in attempt to prevent it, but I think really the only thing we can really do is fight it when it gets here. I think that the New World Order is coming. At first I wasn't going to say anything to you because most people don't believe in that sort of thing, but then I noticed you started a discussion on the matter, so I guess it crossed your mind as well. Honestly, I don't really think that the president has as much power as we are led to believe. Therefore, I don't care what he believes, as I said before.
@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
30 Jul 09
I do see the New World Order coming. They've been promising us that way back, democrats & republicans alike. I am surprised that YOU see it too. My faith in the Bible makes it easy to believe this coming about, as it was prophecied in the first century. Not to slight the Muslims..they too have their prophecy of a coming 'messiah' who will bring Islam to the WHOLE world. Belief in this Islamic prophecy is one reason the 'newly elected' president of Iran is spoiling for a fight. Which makes my point....religion and world view MATTER in politics. Thanks for responding sketch.
@Rollo1 (16773)
• Boston, Massachusetts
29 Jul 09
This really shouldn't surprise anyone. Even the major media outlets covered Rev. Wright's theology, everyone should have been concerned. Louis Farrakhan called Obama "The Messiah". Everyone should have been concerned. Reverend Wright recently told an interviewer that he couldn't speak with Obama right now because all the Jews in the administration won't let him. It's kinda funny, really. Everyone said Romney had no chance because he's a Mormon. But despite the warning signs and the controversies, the sheeple were perfectly willing to accept the equivalent of the "I didn't inhale" excuse. Sure, Obama belonged for twenty years to a church that teaches racism and hate, but he didn't listen. He's so well-spoken, he must be a nice guy. Some days I feel like I must tell everyone these important truths. Some days I think that it's futile, this is just the beginning of the end. It may have been possible for people to change this course back in November, but I think it's too late now.
@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Surely he can't do THAT much damage in four years? And surely he will NOT be re-elected? People try to make these facts into a religious issue. I don't care what a person religion is unless he tries to impose his religious beliefs on me. And that is just what the agenda is. His snide remark about the police acting stupidly was just the very very tip of the very very large iceberg of what he believes. That police officer had been chosen as a teacher for the police force on how NOT to profile...did you see his fellow officers...both black... stand up for him? That is what this country needs, blacks and whites working together for the common good...not some jerk saying Gage was profiled just cause he got arrested. There is still racism in this country...but I believe we've made great progress and Obama just set it back a couple of decades with that remark as far as I'm concerned. And THAT remark stems from his 'religious' beliefs! The beliefs he 'absorbed' from Rev. Wright. I've heard and read comparisons to Hitler. Hitler's scapegoat was the Jews...Obama's is the white conservative Christian. And sorry, there are atheists out there who JUST MAY get caught up in the roundup...if they'be ever took a conservative stand on any issue.
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@Rollo1 (16773)
• Boston, Massachusetts
30 Jul 09
Obama was not acting presidential or professional when he made that remark. As president, he had no right to say that even if he thought it, nor even if it appeared correct. It's another example of his inexperience. That was definitely a "no comment" moment and he didn't recognize that. Yes, he can do that much damage in 4 years if he can set precendents and get away with subverting the Constitution and if he destroys our economy while putting us in debt to foreign nations, yes, he can set the country back to a point where it may not be able to recover. Obama has HIS vision for America and he's going to implement it regardless. Regardless of whether the people want it. Regardless of whether it is in our best interest. Is it securing his legacy? Is it eogism? He wants to be loved worldwide. Is that the point? As far as racism goes, I think it's like everything else. There's a bell curve. The middle and largest part of the bell is your average American who is not racist and who sees people as individuals as judges them as such. These people don't want discrimination or reverse discrimination. At the far ends, you have on one side people who are extremely racist, and on the other side people who see racism in everything. We elected a black president and we're proud of how far we have come. It's unfortunate we elected someone from one of the far ends of the bell curve. Religion and politics have always been mixed together, religion not necessarily being a belief in God, however. Obama is working towards bringing his world view to reality. He is working very hard at it, look what has happened in just a few months. He's got 3 1/2 more years. I certainly think that if Congress is not materially changed in the 2010 elections, he could accomplish some things that will have effects that reach far into the future. Of course, no ideology or theology will save you in the end if you oppose this world view, this vision, this structure he intends to impose. As the article points out, just look to the Bolsheviks, Marx, Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin to see where it leads.
@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
30 Jul 09
And add to that mix a bunch of radical extremist Jihadists that he's kissing up to! I hope we can accomplish what needs to be done in the 2010 congressional elections...if the world isn't in total disaray by then, with us under martial law.
@Kowgirl (3492)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Most people would like to believe the lies spoken by Obama when he said he did not hear what Rev.Wright was preaching about. How can you sit in a church every Sunday for years and not hear what the sermon is about? They even have video tapes of him and his wife nodding their heads in affirmation of what he was saying. I agree with your statement " I for one think he is an opportunist who believes whatever will further his agenda of turning America into a socialist state." But I also believe he is also being used so others can take control and we will become slaves to this new world order. We are going to face harder times than we can even fathom as long as he is in office. He has lied about his birthplace and about his beliefs. His whole campaign was based on lies.
@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
29 Jul 09
The Rev. Wright, if it is permissble to even call him that, is the origin of Mr. Obama's statement on the stupidity of the Cambridge police arrest of Mr. Gage. I for one do not see how people can agree to be so misled and support this man any longer. It's obvious to me that the plan is to turn America into a socialist state...with the whites as the oppressed and the blacks as the oppressors. Which is racism still! Please do not call me a racist for having this opinion. It is just as WRONG for blacks to feel it is ok to hate whites as it is for whites to hate blacks. It shouldn't be about hate or color. But the Rev. Wright and his mentor Mr. Cone teach this hatred of whites and their star pupil is Barack Obama! Not to mention that Karl Marx would be real proud! Please read the article!
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@spalladino (17929)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Black Liberation Theology does not teach blacks to hate whites. You should research what it actually does teach. Using Trinity Church as an example of the thousands of such churches across this country is wrong. Rev. Wright is a hateful old man, who doesn't mind living in a million dollar mansion among white folks, who has been denounced by many other leaders of churches that follow this theology.
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@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Black Liberation Theology relies heavily on socialism and the oppressed/oppressor view of the world. AND couple that with the hateful old man's hatred of whites...and being the one Mr. Obama called HIS MENTOR....I think we DO have something to worry about. I admit, I am not conversant about all the ideas of Liberation Theology...but I do know it's teachings are socialistic and Marxist. And I do know that obama values that hateful old man's teachings enough to call him his mentor. I also know that Obama inspired Louis Farrakan to call him the 'messiah'. Put all that together and America's in trouble.
@Destiny007 (5820)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Well, we already know of his Muslim background. Then there was the Freudian Slip concerning his Muslim Faith that he made during a TV interview, and the interviewer caught and corrected it to his Christian Faith. As to the tenets of the article... Black Liberation Theology, Marxism, and Islam have much in common.... and it must be remembered that Farrakhan is Nation of Islam. All of these things, and all of the people and event's mentioned in this article do work together, and have for a long time. This is just a matter of using the guise of religion to justify your beliefs and the things you do. That does not mean that you are close to God... it merely means that you are pretending to follow God while doing anything you want... even when it violates God's plan... which is what these people have done. They commit their crimes in the name of God while working against God for their own agenda. They are selling snake oil to those who cannot see beyond the facade.
@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Religious people are not spiritual people per say. The people who are buying the snake oil...may feel it's a religious experience but that is all part of the big lie. A real religious experience is to find the TRUTH. I have to chuckle at those who say they are not religous so this all means nothing to them...do they not realize that by taking a neutral stand they are allowing very religious people the right to decide HOW they will finish living their non religious life?