Difference in page view computation in Bukisa and AC

@scheng1 (24815)
Singapore
July 30, 2009 8:05am CST
I notice that there is a major difference in page view computation for articles in Bukisa and Associated Content. In Associated Content, a long article is spread over two or more pages. One of my long articles is nine pages long. And since advertisement reloads every single page, an article three pages long, will count as three page views. When a reader leaves a comment, and wait for the advertisement to reload, that will be extra page view. In Bukisa, article is just one page, and counts as one page view. I am not sure about the effect of comment. Logically when we click submit comment, the page will refresh and reload, and that should count as additional page view. Even though Bukisa offers $3.45 per 1,000 page views, and AC offers $1.50 per 1,000 page views. For longer articles, AC pays more, because an article of three pages long will in fact equal to $4.50 per 1,000 readers. Have anyone noticed the effect of earnings for similar articles in AC and Bukisa? Since I'm new to Bukisa, I can't really compare.
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@babykeka80 (2003)
• United States
30 Jul 09
I am also new to Bukisa and havent really worked on AC much yet. I do know that a comment does get you an extra page view on Bukisa though. I am yet to see if I can really earn some money on either though.
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@scheng1 (24815)
• Singapore
30 Jul 09
Hi Babykeka, you should really join AC, since you are living in the United States. The upfront payment for the article makes it worthwhile for you to contribute articles. You are likely to get about three dollars per articles. On top of that, you can earn page views bonus. However, you have to learn about seo techniques in order to make more money in page views. Right now, writers in AC notice that indexing problem. If search engines do not index the articles, the writers do not make much from page views. I notice that articles in Bukisa are indexed rather fast. Have you noticed where the readers come from? IF the readers come from search engines, that mean you are writing with seo techniques. IF readers come from Bukisa itself, then you are not going to make much money in page views.
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• United States
30 Jul 09
Okay so explain seo techniques. And how do I tell where the viewers are coming from. I am pretty sure it was your article that I viewed and commented that said first use pingoat. Then rss feed. Then something to do with search engines. etc. etc.
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@scheng1 (24815)
• Singapore
30 Jul 09
Hi Babykeka, you are right, that is my article. I have written a few articles about seo techniques, and making use of the statistics in Bukisa. You can check out the articles at Bukisa. http://www.bukisa.com/rss/people/scheng1 All these are from months of learning, and painful lessons in writing and blogging. Now I am finally seeing the results.
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@Canellita (12058)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Hmmm, this is very interesting. It seems it is better to have long articles at AC and short ones on Bukisa. This is good to know if I ever get organized enough to add another site.
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@scheng1 (24815)
• Singapore
31 Jul 09
Hi Canellita, the word requirement in Bukisa is just 250 words, but then 250 words article will not work well in search engine. I doubt search engine will index and draw traffic to such a short article. I just rewrite some of my older articles, written before I know anything about seo, and post in Bukisa. Now I still have less than 10 articles, and make 61 cents in less than a week.
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@Canellita (12058)
• United States
1 Aug 09
Sounds good to me. I usually try for 500 to get an extra page view out of it but it seems like this may not word so well with bukisa. I submitted an article to AC the other day and they showed a place where the page break might occur which I found interesting. I still managed to have a paragraph on the 2nd page, but I thought it was really interesting the way they approach it all.
@Canellita (12058)
• United States
4 Aug 09
Scheng how many articles per week do you post to helium? I sat down and did the math based on 4 articles per week with one article being competitive and 3 articles being to empty titles and added the up fronts and multiplied by four weeks. I did it again for 8 articles per week, 16 and 20. Depending on the number of writng stars one could do quite well with just bonuses and upfronts even before the performance payments are added to the total earnings. I would like to earn $1 per day in page views by the end of August. I have about 1 more week to concentrate most of my time on writing and then I will have to start getting myself organized for the upcoming school year. I am at clout 3 on AC so I need to work on improving that to at least clut 5 before school begins. I was thinking of visiting the bukisa website yesterday and I am now curious about cafepress. The contest articles brought my writing score down so this week I am focused on empty titles at helium.
@nzalheart (2352)
• India
30 Jul 09
Hello Scheng1!!! I keep being busy in other works than writing and that's why I couldn't give the real time on AC, Bukisa or hub pages, though I am member of these all three. And that is the great that you analyzed such a nice thing. It really takes long time to get 1000 page views in Associated content for me. It would have been different thing if I could spend more time on reading other articles and then comment on them, but it would take so much long time and so I feel it worthless. I am in the condition such that I can either use Mylot or those sites, but difficult to give time to all of them. That's why I am just spending sometime in mylot than those site where I am not very much used to yet. And if I went on those sites, I will be very very less active on mylot... Thanks for the info. May be in the future if I became active on those sites, I would always remember the above conclusion. Happy mylotting...
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@scheng1 (24815)
• Singapore
31 Jul 09
Hi Nzalheart, you are such a lazy young fellow! It's great to read and comment, and to add friends in writing sites. You will learn the different writing styles, and ways to write popular articles. Anyway, the internal promotion is a one-time off event. Once you got a substantial fan base, you do not have to worry about getting people to read your articles anymore.
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@nzalheart (2352)
• India
31 Jul 09
Yes, scheng, I admit that I have been very lazy. Writing is the very necessary skill, but I am not the professional writer. I can definitely learn many things from reading the posts out there, but I also need to manage the time for other things than the internet. As because I am lazy, my academic works are increasing on and on haha...that's why I just can't concentrate more on the online workings nowadays. And even in mylot I have been very much passive... Any way, happy mylotting to you. You seem to fully energetic and fresh always...
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@scheng1 (24815)
• Singapore
31 Jul 09
Hi Nzal, actually you should write about what you learn in school. There are some students writing for helium, about project management or whatever they learnt from the textbook. Since they have to write the report for their teachers, they just rewrite a bit and post to make more money. With just some creativity, you can do the same!
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@mommaj (22711)
• United States
30 Jul 09
You are such a good little guinea pig. Is it okay if I stalk you at Bukisa to. I may want to join. I don't know if it will help but if you want me to sign up under you if it works that way, maybe I will. Let me know. Thanks for such a great discussion.
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@scheng1 (24815)
• Singapore
31 Jul 09
Hi Mommaj, there is another difference in payment scheme in Bukisa and AC. Bukisa gives a 25% referral earnings. That means if you join under me, and you make $100, I will get incentive of $25 as referral earnings! That's why Bukisa writers are asking people to join them, and they have to support the writings of their referrals! Got to leave comments on every article, then both of them can make money. I dont even have more than 10 articles in Bukisa, and I notice that traffic is coming from search engines, so that's a good sign! Make 61 cents so far, with less than 10 articles, and less than a week there. Right now, I'm recycling my articles. Even though I can repost without changing a single word, but my earlier articles are written without seo techniques. Mommaj better works on seo! If I see you using 1,2,3, instead of "the first benefit of toddler leashes", "the second benefit of toddler leashes", I'm going to hammer your head hard enough, so that you will learn!
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@mommaj (22711)
• United States
31 Jul 09
HEHEHE. I will try to remember. I signed up for the other one and submitted an article already. It was approved. I haven't done much with it, because of the difference in language. LOL I have to look up what they mean by some words. I don't know about Bukisa yet. Keep us informed and if I get time I will look at the site.
@scheng1 (24815)
• Singapore
1 Aug 09
Hi Mommaj, I have two stories rejected at the other one. Too bad I never save a copy of it, else I can repost at my blog. That is the way to do seo writings. I think the website is a place to source for writing jobs, and then force writers to use seo techniques to write short stories.
@zed_k4 (17630)
• Singapore
16 Aug 09
Hiya Sheng, I just went to your AC site and you have some awesome 22,096 views and 300 over articles. How are you fairing on page views there?
@scheng1 (24815)
• Singapore
16 Aug 09
Hi Zed, I dont have 300 articles. I have about 60 slideshows (digital images), so the actual number of articles are not that great. Pictures dont attract much traffic, because of the word limits, I can't use seo techniques. Even then the combination of all the page views for pictures is more than a thousand. Almost all the articles in AC are duplicates. Only one or two are original.
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@zed_k4 (17630)
• Singapore
16 Aug 09
Oh, I see.. Seems like writing there could be hard, especially with getting page views. Not only do we have to write, but we have to promote actively. Am I right to say that..? I don't know whether these sites are going to be very beneficial in the long run or it's just a waste of time. What do you think?
@zed_k4 (17630)
• Singapore
17 Aug 09
Ahhh, so you've answered my question already. I just asked this on my discussion corner, which I think you have answered here. Thanks, Sheng.. I went over to your blog and I think I saw the AC widget, if I'm right. So that's something like a back-link.. I think you are pretty experienced in this. That's just so cool and I hope things work out for you. I suppose my strategy is to write a lot first and then promote later, but then to write SEO-related articles. What do you think? Or should I write and promote, all awhile with SEO in mind? But if I write and promote, I would need some time and then, I can't write a lot.
@AnythngArt (3305)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Hi Scheng! I have not been on Bukisa at all...how does this site work compared with Helium and Associated Content? Should I join? Will I have time? I keep telling myself to expand my writing venues, but then I never do. However, I trust your word, so please give me the breakdown: what is the site like, how do you earn money, what sorts of articles can I write, etc., etc.! As always, thanks for all your help!
@scheng1 (24815)
• Singapore
31 Jul 09
Hi Art, I dont write anything new at Bukisa, I just recycle my articles to make it unique enough, so that search engine will recognize as them as new articles. Bukisa does not have any upfront payment component. The referral scheme is even better than mylot here. In Bukisa, you get to earn up to three levels of referral scheme. Assuming that you join as my referral, and you make $100, I will get $25 as referrals earnings. So it makes sense for me to add comments and support my referrals. If you have one referral and that referral makes $100, you will get $25, and I will $8.25 (25% of what you get). Bukisa does not require exclusive rights, even though you can repost all the articles over, i would think that the same article appear in all Helium, AC and Bukisa is a bit over-stretch. Maybe you can rewrite the existing articles and then post in Bukisa. I like the website statistic in Bukisa. It shows where the traffic comes from, and what keywords they use in search engine for the search engine to direct to the articles. Guess what, I have one article about recycle writings to make more money. The keywords become recycle to make money! I doubt this is what the readers have in mind! I guess I learn in a lesson. Next time will have to craft a better title.
2 people like this
• United States
31 Jul 09
I'd be happy to give you my referral...now you will read all my articles over at AC, right? LOL I've got a ton of articles to recycle and improve. I can always use a new revenue stream, right? I don't know if I told you but I just got my second writing star at Helium, which I think was s result of leapfrogging (as per your suggestions). I probably need to do more of that. Maybe I will set that as my goal for August: Join Bukisa and do more leapfrogging over at Helium.
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@scheng1 (24815)
• Singapore
31 Jul 09
Hi Art, congra on your second writing stars. Hope you can get to four writing stars soon. Right now Helium is putting a hold on the writers with four writing stars. Those with four or five writing stars will not suffer unless the writing score drops by 10 percent, which is highly unlikely. With the amount of your articles in Helium, and with enough leapfrog, you should get all the four writing stars soon. I have put up the banner for Bukisa in my profile page. Join anytime you like. Actually I suggest that before you leapfrog the articles in Helium, you can submit the original articles to AC or Bukisa. In that case, you wont lose out on the original work. You should be reaching Clout 8 in AC if you put in another hundred articles! I have subscribed to your articles. Even if I can't comment on all articles, I will definitely read. I think you have to pay more attention to seo techniques, otherwise the page views will be low, since search engines do not have enough keywords to know what is your article all about.
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@oscar6 (1939)
• United States
17 Jun 11
I am not a member at bukisa so I really dont know. I do know that out of all the sites that I have been a member of that were article writing sites associated content has earned me the most money. I usually make between eighteen and twenty eight dollars in page views each month. I love that because its money I dont have to do anything to earn.
@scheng1 (24815)
• Singapore
19 Jun 11
Hi Oscar, Bukisa has changed the payment system. There are so many changes in the different content websites. Most of the changes are bad for writers, yet they help to keep the different websites afloat. If Yahoo had not acquired Associated Content, it might shut down too. There was a time when Associated Content paid twenty dollars as upfront to the writers. It was not sustainable, and now the payment rate had declined.