"its a pity old people:60" have to work for a living. right or wrong.

@Hatley (157426)
Garden Grove, California
August 13, 2009 3:28pm CST
this comment on a discussion I had responded to made me just a bit irked.Are all people at 60 considered so old and senile that they 'should not work. I worked at 60 in our library shelving books and all other media. Nobody seemed upset that I was working at my age. Myquestion is " is it a pity that people of 60 are considered old and that they have to work? What is your take? I know some places around garden grove would have to close if they got rid of all the "old" 60 year olds that worked there.
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@Debs_place (10551)
• United States
13 Aug 09
Good Lord, I am going back to school and won't get my degree until I am 60. Thanks to the new world economy, my retirement savings is just about gone, and I have to restart a new career. I don't think it is a pity...I think it is a new opportunity.
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• India
13 Aug 09
Hats off to you, for having such a wonderful attitude to life! Best of Luck. Angelie
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Aug 09
hats off to both of you. you know darned well sixty is not over the hill.now days we are more healthy than ever before and more of us are staying in the workforce for many different reasons. some have careers some simply have to work to eat pay bills as they come in.
• India
13 Aug 09
All over and 60's old and senile?....no way !!!!!!!!!!!!!! If older people want to work and are happy doing it, then thats fabulous! Brilliant in fact! But I guess there are also some older people who are working but their hearts are not in it and at that age after being tied down by family responsibilities all of one's life, it's nice to see elders do WHAT they actually WANT rather than have to....it's not a case of pity, but a prerogative that they should be more entitled to exercise, so for eg. it would be nice to see them just retire and be looked after for a change. My father is 77, has a ton of energy and I still involve him in most of my decisions, he just has a wisdom that is far greater in certain realms, he is no way senile! His memory is alittle weaker and he's abit more difficult to pin down as he's so busy doing WHAT he WANTS now full throttle! Angelie
@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Aug 09
you have really seen what I was trying to say and answered so beautifully too. yes it is up to the' person. if a person loves her job and is healthy then why make her quit. people that age should have the choice of working or quitting. I worked until I was eighty and loved doing it. I felt needed' And Alive and making a contribution to life.
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• India
18 Aug 09
You worked till you were 80 ! Wow! What work did you do? I hope I feel as good as that if I get to my 70's 80's! Angelie
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
hi I wo rked as a page in the Tustin library' shelving books, dvds andcds,magazines and all other media and I loved it and the crew too.
@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
14 Aug 09
People should be able to work as long as they feel healthy enough to, or need to for financial reasons. Just because some one is 60, 70 or even 80 doesn't mean that they don't have something worthwhile to contribute, and to say that some one should not work simply because they are 60 is silly. Mother Theresa worked until she was 87. How many people would NOT have been helped if she had retired at 60? Is it the same person who is saying these things to you? Whoever it is, is unkind & hateful and should be reported.
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
catdla hi oh I do so agree with you that people should work as long as they want as long as their health is okay ,they are the backbone os many companies and industries whether 'or not the kids of 30 and 40 want to acknowledge it. we'keep our wits about us and we can be depended unlike some 20['s who want to play and call in sick.
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
20 Aug 09
Exactly! We show up on time, and leave 5 minutes late at the end of a shift. And, as an added bonus, if asked, we can count change...correctly. LOL.
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
25 Aug 09
hi catdlai yes we older ones were brought up to think' that when you work 8 to 5 that means you are starting work at 8,not just leaving your apt at 8 and we often stay a bit later than 5 to finish any last minute 'details.
@ellie333 (21029)
13 Aug 09
Hi Hatley, In this country (UK) they are considering upping the retirement age to 70 anyway and I think as long as a person wants to and is capable of working they should be allowed to however if they choose not to at 60 thay should be ok too. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@GardenGerty (89960)
• Marion, Kansas
14 Aug 09
I would like to retire, or work fewer hours, but this is one of the few really professional jobs I have had. I like it, most of the time. There is a lot of stress at times, but I believe I am transitioning to some staff that can handle some of the responsibility I hold. I have not had a day off for eleven days, tomorrow will make twelve. I am getting out of town tomorrow night.
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@ellie333 (21029)
14 Aug 09
Well after working that many days in a row you deserve to really enjoy your night out, good for you! Huggles. Ellie :D
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Aug 09
hi ellie long time no see. here in the US they had talked about upping the retirement age to 70 but as yet they havent done anything about it. I think if a person is healhy and capable why not let him. many need the money and many need to feel need
@fwidman (11519)
• United States
13 Aug 09
Since you cannot collect Social Security until 65, why not work if they are able and willing? What are they supposed to do, sit and home and starve because they have no money? Many 60 year olds have not retired because they cannot afford to retire. They keep on working for the same reasons that 20 year olds work, they need the money
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@GardenGerty (89960)
• Marion, Kansas
14 Aug 09
I have worked harder the last ten years than I ever could have in my twenties.
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@fwidman (11519)
• United States
14 Aug 09
That's the problem with work, it does not get easier as we get older The last five years I worked were the hardest of the 25.
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@nenuphar (117)
• France
14 Aug 09
I'm 61 and still working, be it freelance or voluntary. Unfortunately, this misconception of if you're 60, you're too old to work is closely linked to our society. In this country (France), we have a very good social security coverage, many people took advantage of it that for a long period of time, you get more money from all kinds of benefits. So why go to work? Then came the wave of sending workers on pre-retirement schemes that today, when you're 55 years old, you're considered old and you hardly can find a job in the labor market. Back to our discussion, I think it's a personal choice to work or not at this age. Some work because of necessity, some work to keep themselves busy, and some work because they simply love their job. Happy working!
@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
hi nenuphar good on you. keep on as long as youcan.it 'should indeed be ones own choice.i kept working for three reasons,one I liked my job, 2 it gave me something worthwhile to do ,and three I needed the money as my husband was disabled.
• United States
14 Aug 09
My dad is going to be 60 next year and he is nowhere near senile or anything, he is not as strong as he used to be, but today, at 59, he did just fine pouring concrete on his job, he is an electrician which requires physical labor AND critical thinking, who the heck thinks that when a person hits 60 they are therefore "old and senile" because they really don't know WHAT they are talking about. My boyfriends dad retired at 75, his mom is 76 and still working part time...and my dad loves working even at his age. 60 is not that old at all,I think if you have the energy and capability to work, then wonderful so I think its wrong to categorize an age group as "being too old to work".
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
hi spicysweetie Its completely wrong to make those kind of statements she made which led me to think she had to be about] 18 or so and anyone over forty is ol l l d d to her. She did not know what she was talking about and i will bet if any older relative of hers read that she would hear from them as older people are very much in evidence in the work force
@Grandmaof2 (7604)
• Canada
14 Aug 09
Well this is just my opinion but here goes. I really don't consider 60 to be old, however by time we're sixty most of us have already worked hard enough we really shouldn't have to be out there, it's time for the young people to do their part But...... Yeah I think you know where I'm going with this. The younger generation just aren't made from the same mold are they? I think for the most part parents today are a whole different generation, there seems to be more money therefore resulting in handing too much to the kids and if you want reliability you need to look for 60 plus. Sad it really is.
@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
hi grandma sixty is indeed not old nor senile they are a great' part of the workforce and they are more dependible than most twenty year olds who play hookey from working to go to the beach or other fun places. we work and only when we are really ill do we ask to stay home.
@Opal26 (17694)
• United States
14 Aug 09
Hi Hatley! I definitely think that the closer I get to the age of 60 the more I feel that I am definitely being discriminated against! I thing that it is so unfair that people don't realize that those in their 60's are not old and still can funtion quite well and are able to work without any problem! It is really upsetting to hear these things! The age for retirement has been increased and there is no reason that people in their 60's can't work unless they have some serious type of ailment which keeps them from working!
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
hi o pal my sentiments entirely.we have been discriminated against just because we are older. we are healthy,we still think well and reason as wellas a 30 year old but we are'more dependable and do not take off as many sick days as the kids'do nor do we fib and take off to go play like the kids.
@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
16 Aug 09
I think if a person wants to work beyond a certain age, why not? Even if they are in their 70s, 80s...if they feel up to it. With today's economy many "seniors" have to work to supplement their Social Security. My grandmother did retire at age 65, but then turned around and went back to work until she was 78...my mother worked until 72. I happen to know this woman down the block a friend of mine...she's 76 and still going strong and working..she LOVES keeping busy..heck sometimes I think she has more energy than I do and I'm only 53
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Aug 09
hi pye I do so agree Iworked until age 80 and loved doing so. I heard no complaints from patrons at thelibrary.we 'older people I think add a lot of energy and intelligence to the work force. If one wants to or has to work at sixty or seventy let them, we all need to feel needed.retirement sometimes is just a lot of time to do nothing so why not instead do something you want to do.
@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
oh yes indeed, I also wanted to work as I needed to'f feel needed and working in the library was a needed job and also I needed the company of other workers'so i got the best of all worlds.
@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Aug 09
nope and I didnt even get mad.no I was a paid employee,people used to ask me a zillion times a day if I was a volunteer'and Ihad to be civil a nd say nope I am an employee here.the work was strenous but at that time i was up to it.
• India
14 Aug 09
I think the meaning of the comment is to be taken more into perspective that the actual age of the person working. Why should it be a pity if 60+ people are still working? Is it because we are accustomed to retiring at, say, 58? Or is it because old people can no longer retire safely with their bank balance due to the world economy devaluating money regularly? Or is it because society has become too selfish to care for its old? OR is it because old people still working are seen as taking away a large chunk of the job meant for the young? I so wish you could go back to the discussion and request the responder to clarify his/her stand more clearly, for the comment is definitely fraught with so many interpretations. Personally, though I would like to retire post 60 (I am working my butt off as it is) and would not like to have the worry of earning a livelihood in old age.
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
that poster was a mere child of 20 who was taught that anyone over fifty was old old old and thats not ' right. my doctor says that 60 is considered middle aged and old is 75 to 100 and damn right.we all think whenwe are young that after 'fifty we are old senile and a burden.come on it is not'true.this really tees me off.and p;eople my age hate having to rely on the crumbs that a lot of their children dole out to them.we no longer have any respect for the feelings of people 60 to 100 who are not idiots and deserve to be treated like they themselves would like to be treated. as intelligent human beings not senile idiots. myson is out'of work so he doesnt have to dole out twenty dollars for an aged burden mom,I have social security and ssi that pays for my room and board here at Gold crest plus the remainder of 125 which is mine to use as I see fit over the month. some here have kids who cringe and give them twenty dollars to see them through the month. twenty puny'dollars,these kids were raised by these moms, they were fed and c clothed and cared for and loved, and for this twenty dollars? no me I would damned well find a way to make my own money no matter how old I was.
• India
21 Aug 09
I agree completely with your point of view. At least in your countries you have social security for the aged…here in India we have nothing at all. As per traditional society, parents are at the sole mercy of their children and to be fair to the children, things are becoming so expensive its really difficult for them to manage all ends simultaneously. So you can well imagine the condition of the elderly here and then we have retirement age at 58 in most places so people over 60 are not the choice for employment. Personally, I have a little pension scheme going which should pay me just enough for bread and butter after 60…that’s my sole plan and consolation that maybe I would not have to depend on my son for sustenance and if I do have to, I would not really like one bit of it.
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
25 Aug 09
hi sudipta this is whats so great about MyLOt you are in INdia and I did not know that you dont'have social security for your elderly.I did know that you have great esteem for your elderly but it must at times' put a great burden on their children to support them'w when they can no longer work.Yet I know that the children have great respect anyway for their elders.
@bunnybon7 (32484)
• Holiday, Florida
14 Aug 09
i think if someone is able and wants to or needs to they should work and be proud they can. i sure wish i had not destroyed my lungs so bad that i cant work now doing all i know how to do. my aunt is 75yrs and she still waitresses. its what shes always done for 61 yrs since she was only 14!! i think thats a great accompishment.
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
bunnybon hi I know several waitresses in myfavorite' restaurant who are at least sixty and they are the best ones of 'the whole lot. they never mix up orders and they never slop 'coffee all aroundeither. I also know one nurse who was 75' when she cared for me in the hospital and boy was she good. I was so sick, and vomited and she helped me without being upset at all. I was embarrassed at having thrown up all over'everything but she kept saying,thats okay you are ill 'dont worry about it. and patted myhand.,what a nurse!!!
@bunnybon7 (32484)
• Holiday, Florida
20 Aug 09
oh i know they are the most experienced. if we could be hired for our experience instead of being expected to keep a fast pace a lot of us would be working longer. i know i could still help with caring for elderly if they didnt expect me to lift or vacuum. i can still cook, do dishes, and most cleaning except vacuum or go at a fast pace.
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
25 Aug 09
hi bunnybon even at my age i know some women who are' doing work that doesnt require lifting or heavy exertion and they do a fantastic job too as they still have great intelligence for instance one ' friend that is 83 works as a Notary of Public and 'helps people all day long and nobody thinks a thing 'of her age.
@cwong77 (2011)
• Malaysia
21 Aug 09
Oh, what is the age that we can consider old? In the country that I am living, we have man and woman work pass the age of 65.. these are living in good health and good mind, and they are doing this in order to save more till they are unable to work.. I find having to still be able to work at these age (pass the golden mile) is a blessing instead of being pity.. maybe some will say that at this age, one should retire and stay home, however being retired and staying home without any activities, this will bring the folks nearer to the path of returning to God's side.. I myself is one of those that will support if my parents decide to continue working even I and my siblings are able to give the comfort of life to them, as this working stuff will keep them more occupy, and help them stay healthy too... And a saying goes.. a house with a old folk, is just like having a treasure... these range of folks will be able to give us valuable teachings and advises..
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
25 Aug 09
hi cwong glad to learn about your country.you have a great slant on things about older p eople. we do have some 'wisdom left and we still have intellect that we need to' use to make our older lives much richer and fuller. we 'dont want tos it home doing nothing all day.
@dawnald (84126)
• Shingle Springs, California
19 Aug 09
I think if you're capable of working and if you want to work, you should be able to. I hate the idea of forced retirement. Myself, I'm pretty sure I'll retire as soon as I can afford to, but then I'll go do something that I enjoy be it working for pay or volunteer work or whatever...
@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
hi dawnald I think that forced age increase will upset'a lot who had planned on retiring before then. should be voluntary not forece3d.
@MsTickle (24957)
• Australia
19 Aug 09
Firstly, 60 is NOT old. Older workers are found to be more reliable, more loyal and a host of other attributes. Some young people today seem to have a really callous attitude towards older members of the population. It's older people who have set all the employment benchmarks...the younger workers are letting the side down in my opinion and without the hard work and diligence of the older ones, society would fall apart very quickly. The selfishness and big egos of today's youth is very damaging. I agree with you...get rid of older workers and lots of businesses would fall apart.
@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Aug 09
hi mstickle when I was working I rarely called in sick,and I'was much older than most,yet the youngest ones invariably took at least one day a week off and who covered for the missing so called sick one,me of course, then I my seventies. ha.we are reliable, dependAble] and we do what we say we will do. the younger ones cannot always say that.
@KrauseHome (33216)
• United States
17 Aug 09
Since when is 60 considered "OLD?" The person who originally made this statement had to be in their early 20's. Personally there are are a lot of places where people this age are still working, and helping bring in a decent income. Where I work I know of at least 5 or 6 people who are older than 60 and still working. I think you can learn a lot from people this age, and if they are in good enough Health everyone should be able to work as long as they want. Seriously these people could really use a wake up call.
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Aug 09
hi krause that has to be a comment from a person in their twentys who think thirty five is bordering on senility and sixtyh oh my.everywhere I have worked I have had coworkers in their sixties and they do not consider themselves to be old and they are not. this poster I think came from India or china where they expect anyone over fifty to be Aged and A burden
@zhuhuifen46 (3486)
• China
16 Aug 09
60 is the age of retirement in our place. In normal cases, they should shift off train to a leisure status, but some prefer to continue working for a couple of more years. I think it is ok as a sort of ramping down before final stop, but definitely not merely for supporting living.
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
hizhuhuifen okay so its the age for retirement but'surely for those who dont want to retire yet and need the money they can'still work and be productive just the same as the smug 40 year old who will come'to the sixty year old to ask how to do something. I have news for' you we people of 60 do not suddenly turn into drooling idiots'or senile fools just because of a birthday.they are still the intelligent people they were the day before. let them work if they want to.I think it is okay to support yourself at 60,why let someone else dole'out crumbs when you can make a decent paycheck for yourself.
@busky5 (3166)
• Thailand
16 Aug 09
I think every ages can work if it is happy to them.I don't think who work hard wrong but if they do when they have good healthy or after doing makes them good healthy.
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
hi husky you are so right.we older ones should work as long'as 'we are fit and can do the job. sitting around watching television and staring at four walls is just horrid and those people shouldhave some sort of paying work that ' thy can do.
@thea09 (18329)
• Greece
15 Aug 09
Hello Hatley, well lots of older people round here still do plenty of work, and I mean hard physical work, like gathering in the olives in all weathers. Okay it's a given that the men tend to get a bad back at that time, and let the women do most of the work, but they wouldn't think if giving it up due to age. The actual retirement age for jobs like bank workers or police is quite young, but then they go back and work their land.
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
hi thea old age is treated differently in different countries'so' I guess old age varies in idea. but to me 60 is not old' I feel everyone should work as long as they are healthy and' wanting to p roduce. we all need something to do so we dont'go ' cabin crazy just sitting around. we all want to feel productive so we want to work.
@stephcjh (32385)
• United States
14 Aug 09
I think it is a pitty also that people have to still work at that age. My husband will have to do it also and I also here at home online. I do not think there is such a thing as retirement anymore. There is never enough money.
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@Hatley (157426)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Aug 09
well I think that working is not as bad as sitting home out'o work and scared about how to live, working will give you the funds you need to live. think of all those right now who would love'to have just about any job. my fifty year old son needs a job, he was laid 'off in sept last year and he is still looking and not finding and its hell on his ego. so those with jobs get down on you knees and'thank God for the job. and for having a home,and food, and money to pay ' bills.a job means more than just money,it equates of most men as their self worth.