Change, Schmange

United States
August 14, 2009 11:27am CST
WARNING: This discussion reflects my political views, and I WILL be shamelessly promoting my political affiliation, so if you don't like what I have to say, then STOP READING! It's not like I forced you to. Lately I have been getting into politics. This election was actually the first time I ever voted! However, what some of you may know already is that the presidency is decided by a NASTY little thing called the electoral college. Basically, they are responsible for voting in who becomes president. And this time, they voted Barack Obama. I will admit, the guy is a great speaker, but as a president, he is VERY LOUSY! Now, I know what some of you are probably thinking, "Oh, you must be a Republican! That's why you hate Obama, because you wanted McCain in office!" Well, that is not the case. I am an independent, and VERY proud of it. In the last election I'll admit, I voted Ralph Nader. He's the ONLY guy who even so much as brought up the electoral college, and he wanted to abolish it! (Or so he claims, anyway...) He is a member of the Constitution Party. If you don't know who they are, look them up. But, I digress. I entitled this discussion "Change, Schmange" for a reason... Anyone who was keeping up with the elections would know that Obama's campaign slogan was "Change we can believe in." Well, from the get-go, Obama has been relentlessly spending taxpayer money! If you watched his inauguration into the White House, you may notice that he sold his old private jet and bought a shiny new one at no cost to him! But, it is going to cost US, the taxpayers, a fortune. Our KIDS are gonna be feeling that one if we don't do something. He also claims that he will fix the recession. Well, I can already see where this is going... Nowhere! His spending has only made the recession WORSE. He promised change, but when you vote a Democrat or Republican into office, what do you expect? Let's face the facts, neither one has EVER worked. The only way we are going to see any "change" is if the dominant parties, the Dems and Reps, lose their power to run for office. We need to look to alternatives, and that's EXACTLY why the independant parties, such as the Green Party and Constitution Party, come in. I believe that among those highly-overlooked parties lies the solution to America's power politics. Now, I know that if you've been paying attention, you're probably thinking that if there's an electoral college that votes for the president, then what's the point of voting for them? One word: publicity. You can't deny that if a party besides the Dems or Reps wins the popular vote, it WILL make the news, and it could have the effect of changing the face of politics for years to come! Then, people will become aware of the electoral college and it will infuriate so many people that it will start petitions, and the government will have no choice BUT to abolish the electoral college! Then, the voting power will be back where it belongs: In OUR hands! I should also point out that there has been word that Obama is NOT a natural born citizen of the U.S. If it is true, which I believe strongly that it is, then Obama will have to be impeached for election fraud. Our law states that only a natural born citizen of the U.S. can become president. The word is, Obama was born in Kenya, under the name Barry Soetoro, and went to a Muslim school in India growing up. It wasn't until he left college in Hawaii and moved to Occidental (the west) that he changed his name to Barack Hussein Obama. So, if he DOES get impeached, and another election takes place, then I STRONGLY encourage you to vote for what you believe in, not who you think is going to win! And remember, other parties exist under a thin veil of obscurity, so don't count them out! Do your research, dig deeper, and make a well-informed decision!
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
14 Aug 09
I have been thinking the same thing...wondering IF it could work. I will, in the next couple of years do that research. btw...he was born Barack Hussein Obama...later his dad took off and left them and his mom remarried a guy named Soetoro, who adopted the little Barack...took the family to Indonesia where the now Barry Soetoro went to a Muslim school. Something HE couldn't have done if not a citizen of said country...and a Muslim. That is the rules in INdonesia! Like your way of thinking...great discussion!
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• United States
14 Aug 09
Ah, I didn't know that he was born under that name. Thanks for clearing that up, much appreciated! I read something on the internet a little while ago about him being registered in Muslim schools under the name "Barry Soetoro", so I thought that was his first name. That's where I made the mistake. Btw, did you hear anything about where Obama was born? I heard Kenya, but I want other people's input so I can confirm that what I heard is true.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
14 Aug 09
His father's mother claims that she was present when he was born in Kenya. A Kenyan diplomat has been taped saying he was born in Kenya. There is a monument being erected in a Kenyan town honoring the town for being his birthplace. sorry, I don't remember the name of the town.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
14 Aug 09
I will add...there is much ado about some birth announcements in a Hawaiian newspaper. Grandparents CAN submit information to the newspaper to be published about births, anyone actually can submit anything and say it is true. It would have benefited Barack's mother if she and the baby were American citizens...and I'm sure in 1961...her parents were concerned to say the least about their daughters welfare and reputation. A newspaper listing is NOT proof he was actually born in Hawaii...it may just be a mother/grandmother's way of protecting her daughter and grandson in times that were to say the least...turbulent.
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@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
14 Aug 09
I'm not on board the birth certificate train, don't really think there is too much to that issue, it is a distraction from the genuine issues and makes the oposition look foolish, but to each their own. That being said, I am an avid supporter of "third" parties. I think the monopoly on power enjoyed by the two main parties has essentialy made us a one party system. Not two party system, ONE party sytem. What we have now are two factions of the same authoritarian party. How has this ammounted to "change"? every year, we wond up stuck with a left wing or right wing faction of the same authoritarian ideology in power. This same monopoly has also doen everything it can to keep others out of the debate, off state ballots and the media has been a willing acomplice. They have conditioned thsi country to believe there is no other "viable" party or candidate, that they are "fringe" parties and that to vote for one is to waste a vote. SO far, as far as I'm concerned, the only wasted vote is a vote not cast or worse, a vote for "the lesser of two evils"........it is STILL avote for evil and is nothing more than a shamefull moral compramise.
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• United States
14 Aug 09
That's EXACTLY what I was getting at here! People only seem to care about voting if the person they vote for is going to win the election. To me, that is the same as abandoning your values, and that is when you TRULY throw your vote away! I've been into politics long enough to know that the Dems and Reps act pretty much the same, but try to make themselves look different. I mean, why do you think they both go our of their way to defame the other candidate? I've even heard rumors that they're both under the guidance of something called the "Bilderberg Group". I recommend checking out a video called "The Obama Deception", which is where I first heard of them.
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@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
14 Aug 09
*ack! Jones.......:/ I don't have a lot of faith in Jones, he is noted for saying "don't believe me, go check it out for yourself".....well, I do and have found him wrong in many many cases. I do believe there are those out there who would love global rule, I believe there are genuine corrupt, evil power hungry people and that they will go to great ends .and despicable means to attain that power. I also believe there exists such people in our own government. I just haven't seen enough to convince me it is a centuries long, world wide, one group conspiricy. I view the "nwo" more as an ideal, embraced by some, but very disconnected and factioned.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
14 Aug 09
Backed by the Power behind the Federal Reserve...I've read some pretty scarey connections to the powerful Rothchild's and then we have the other 'secret' groups who by their very nature keep us guessing. Like you said...some very evil, power hungry groups out there. I tend to believe it's been going on at least a century. I did some reading on the Rothchild family....they are some pretty wicked people. With hundreds of billions at their disposal.
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• United States
14 Aug 09
Yea I've been trying to figure out the Barry Soetoro thing myself, it sounds like his mom was quite the hippy in her day. She changed names like it was a second hobby from "Stanley Armour Dunham" (birthname), Ann became her nickname, then later Dr. Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro (upon marriage?), ending with Ann Dunham Sutoro. She was said to have moved around ALOT compared to most kids from California, Texas, Kansas and Washington (in her teens)
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
14 Aug 09
She was a very political person...trouble is, she thought socialism was the way to go and she left us with a very egotistical socialist to deal with.
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• United States
14 Aug 09
Hmm, that's pretty interesting to know. Thanks for bringing that up.
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• Philippines
15 Aug 09
it's really hard to choose for the right person to run the office. am glad i've seen some one who had other views than that of Obama or McCain. i don't know what might happen but i hope it doesn't jeopardize the country's future..there's a lot of issues really concerning Obama.
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• United States
15 Aug 09
I hear you. It's especially hard when the mainstream media intentionally covers things up and tries to talk to you like you're stupid. I don't think that anyone is inherently stupid, unless they're mentally handicapped.
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@laglen (19780)
• United States
14 Aug 09
I applaud your choice in political affiliation and your lack of inhibitions regarding it. As a registered Republican, I do not vote party line, I am hoping to bring the party back to their conservative roots. If I were to go outside the two party system, I would go more in the direction of Constitutionalists. I firmly and whole heartedly supported Ron Paul. I certainly do not agree with him on EVERYTHING, but the most important things to me I do. Regarding Obama, if it isn't the birth certificate, how about violating our Constitution. I think that our elected officials should be charged with treason each and every time they try. They have made a mockery of our Constitution and our fore fathers. The American people need to start standing up to our employees. Regarding bumper stickers, my favorite now is : If I cant exercise my first amendment rights, I will exercise my second amendment rights!
• United States
14 Aug 09
Lol! That's a very good one! And yeah, that's exactly what party I would be affiliated with, Ralph Nader was a Constitutionalist. What's most important, though, is he stood with me on the issues that concerned me, especially with civil rights, the electoral college, and cutting the budget of Congress. (How many times did they raise their paychecks? And the minimum wage is still just over $7-$8!? Way too unfair...)
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• United States
17 Aug 09
I'm more bothered that we continue to put the same ne'er-do-well Congressmen/women and Senators back into office. They're the one's who enact legislation not the President. We all need to start paying attention to how these people have voted throughout their career. Those who continually want to tax us up the wahzoo don't need to be put back into office no matter what kind of promises they've made to their constituents. I don't mind helping the less fortunate who cannot do for themselves, but we all know there's a lot of corruption with give away programs that the government runs. Besides, all you do when you give someone something for nothing is make the receiver weaker and more dependent, plus they begin to lose their self esteem. How can you compare the feeling you receive when you earn what you get verses what has been given to you?
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• United States
17 Aug 09
You're absolutely right! It's not just the president we have to think about. It's the congressmen, the judges, the governers, the mayors, and all the other figureheads that have to be watched! In fact, they even give you the option to vote for these kinds of people on the ballot. The main problem though, is there's even LESS information on these people then there are on the REALLY big people, so it's effectively a test of your research skills and patience. Also, how can I compare the feeling I receive when I earn what I get versus what has been given to me? Simple! It has more personal value to me! If someone gives you something, it's thoughtful, but if you've EARNED it, it becomes more valuable than anything in the world. I have a massive video game collection at home, and most of it I got with money I earned from working at Goodwill, so it's an empowering feeling knowing that it's my property and that I have the right to do whatever I want with it, so far as it's not outside the boundaries of the law. The same could even be said about clothing and such.
@masonj (47)
• United States
14 Aug 09
Your first sentence was right on the money. I should have stopped reading.
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• United States
14 Aug 09
That's why I put the disclaimer up there, politics is pretty touchy, so I want to do my best to avoid getting any flack from people who disagree with me. The last thing I need is a flame war on a political discussion. Thanks for taking that into consideration.
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@pauld43 (194)
• United States
15 Aug 09
I am not real crazy about the current administration either. I feel like the American people who voted for Obama made a big mistake. I think for the most part that it was political, national apathy, people not caring enough to do some research Obama and see where he was coming from. There were many red flags that went up during the campaign that should have alerted voters not to vote for him. As far as the two party system, I vote republican because it best reflects my personal beliefs; however, if an independent ran that I believed in and had a chance of winning, I might vote for them. The only problem in voting for a long shot independent is that you could throw away a vote that might allow someone like Obama win. Even though McCain wasn't perfect, he was closer to my beliefs than Obama. I personally feel like there needs to be a major overhaul of the folks in Washington, too many politicians on both sides.