False Beliefs in Organized Religion lead to War

United States
August 30, 2009 7:10am CST
Death is the result of following a false belief. In how many ways has Organized Religion been responsible for senseless killing in our world? If Organized Religion is the cause for War and often times a false belief is religiously followed to the point of killing others then the cure would be? Certainly to bring peace to the Middle East War would not be the answer, but if we are lied to then we could be led to War following a lie into a battle where we do not belong. The way to peace would be to feed, house and heal, where do we begin?
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@DavidReedy (2411)
• United States
2 Sep 09
"Where do we begin?" indeed. I don't claim to have the answer on that one, but a thought did occurr to me rather recently. In my "fighting" for "decency", "ethics", "freedom", "sovereignty", et cetera, I realized that it was a whole lot easier for me to list the things that I'm against; NWO, globlalism, corporatism, extreme zionism, facism, nazism, communism, socialism, the banking elite, the police state, etc., and that I had devoted a lot of energies acting, writing, contacting senators, informing others--etc., AGAINST these things, but that I had personally contributed very little to the things to be FOR--and that I think is part of the key, mobilizing ourselves and others to actively engage in benevolent things, as opposed to so much struggle against others... Just a thought, DR...
• United States
2 Sep 09
David, while fighting for freedom, decency, and ethics, did you remember to include homosexuals in that fight? I distinctly remember an argument in another thread where you inferred homosexuality is not natural, and, as a practioner in organized religion, Reverend David Reedy, you do not support their right to marry. If people of organized religion can ban together, and call senators, and use their large numbers to impress upon them that the rights of a minority should be voted away from them, or even something silly, like swinging a vote away from an American Idol because he is gay, it is safe to say that with all the civil unrest created by division, due to extreme religious beliefs, that organized religion can also be culpable for wars. I went and re-read our posts together, Reverand. And you said, specifically, "I do disagree with gay marriage." Fighting for freedom my a$$. You are such a snake. http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2101269.aspx
• United States
3 Sep 09
First off let me jump in here as I am also against Marriage for Homosexuals, I would rather see the definition of Civil Union to be used for the legal construct of that contract between same gendered couples or groups... That is not what this discussion is about there are many other discussions where that can be addressed. There is such a thing as being free and having freedom to speak openly about how we view our world and how our world should be shaped and that is called the right to free speech and I am not trying to stop the freedom of having a conversation, I just ask that we keep to the topic of each discussion to the best of our ability. My latest discussion might give you some thoughts as for what we could work for instead of being opposed to... Who likes paying taxes? Why do we pay taxes? Let's start there...
• United States
4 Sep 09
Trolls... someone was right. they do follow. Following...and name calling. Call me a "snake" all you want--who's following who, and who's name calling--who is filled with hate? The truth of that one is obvious.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
26 Sep 09
War is human nature. There will not be true peace on earth while human beings reign over the earth. It is organized religion, which is the interpretation of TRUTH by mankind in an attempt to 'control' NOT JUst their fellow man, but God. That is the problem. God reveals His will for man through nature and prophets in His laws, man corrupts the law with his nature. Be careful what you ask for. Because the only way to peace on earth is God's judgment of evil and the cleansing of it from the earth.
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• United States
26 Sep 09
Okay, God. Come here and comment on this thread, oh ominiscient one. I am expressing doubt in you, I see that people are bastardizing your so called word, come here, and regulate, would ya? Oh, what's that? You don't exist, hence the reason you won't come here and comment. Oh, okay. Well, what if war is human nature? Isn't love and peace also human nature? I guess not. Not when you believe in a god that won't even spare a minute to come comment on a thread.
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• United States
27 Sep 09
Uhmmm? Seek and you shall find...http://tgwbmypreaching.blogspot.com/ the word of GOD!
• United States
27 Sep 09
Hmmm? Let me try that link again http://tgwbmypreaching.blogspot.com/2009/09/universe-evolution-and-creation.html that should work...
• United States
30 Aug 09
Organized religion is a weapon of mass destruction. It has lead to war, to treating people unequally, and to a myriad of deaths. A great watch is the zeitgeistmovie, which shows a lot of fallacies in religion: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com As far as the middle east war goes, this is the chronology: The US military had undergone an exercise on 9/11 in which several theoretical attacks with commercial airliners were flying into skyscrapers. Four commercial liners were successfully hijaked and crashed, leaving the reported hijakers still alive today. Odd. The military could not respond to the actual hijacks, because the attack planes were being used in an exercise. Many people report seeing a military air plane fly directly into the freshly insulated and protective walls at the Pentagon, and the FBI will not allow security videos from neighbouring hotels to be shown: If in fact it was a commercial jetliner, wouldn't they want to prove to their country that they are not lying? Some question if they saw a commercial liner fly into the second trade center. Both towers were demolished, as if set for an actual demolition. Jet fuel could not melt steel like that. Both went down the same way tower 7 went down. Both fell inward. Both had multiple explosions, on floors nowhere near the crashes. Both buildings just had a new insurance policy taken out. 3,000 souls killed on our own soil, and our own pentagon being attacked, and red terror alerts, combined with anti-muslim jihadist propaganda threatening christian lifestyles and even corporate lifestyles enabled the war on terror. But, why? We needed to protect our oil reserves. But, why? We need to protect our petrol dollar. Hussein knew we needed the oil to be sold in the US Dollar. He changed it to Euros, thus devaluing our dollars, taking a lot of power away from our country. That was his weapon of mass destruction: going after our currency and our financial health. This method had been used before in the German war: the germans had jews counterfeit the british five pound paper money. Instead of dropping bombs, the germans dropped bags and bags of money, so people would find it, and spend it, and it would hopefully crash their economy. It was a very intelligent strike. Here you can learn about the petrol dollar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxVZ945JR5g&feature=PlayList&p=DF64F98BFA181DE3F&index=0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGWNzlWrzTY&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekdln_NZ-P4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgEfvi2sHQM&feature=related But the way to go into war is to either imply or stage an attack on your own country, so you can gain its support, and then to exact the support virally through religious groups and churches, etc.
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• United States
31 Aug 09
I digress actually the problems in the Middle East started long before 9-11 thousands of years prior... You are certainly right about the economy, but it was not Saddam Husein, it was Osama Bin Laden who knew hitting the World Trade Towers would expose a lot of corruption located on Wall Street. He was right about that! Now we can end the wars and expose the evil or we can continue in our folly to be fools for the rest of the world to witness.
• United States
31 Aug 09
If it were Bin Laden, there is something very suspect, given their close relation to the Bush family. None of us really knows, but I am certain our government either created 9/11, or gave an in, made a cover-up, etc.
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• United States
31 Aug 09
There is plenty of information put out on the net that blends the relationship of Bin Laden to the Bush family as a link to the crime of 9-11 and they try to cover up with distractions of the facts. Why the military maneuvers? The look of G.W. Bush when told during reading at the elementary school. Add these facts all together and the truth is that our government did know... What is a staged performance?
@quita88 (3716)
• United States
30 Aug 09
We begin taking care of our own. Period. Illegal aliens need to go back to where they came from. We, the tax payers are paying for the homes, ins. and feeding them. I am originally from Oklahoma and that state has become a soveriegn state. They now give their illegals a ticket back home--- We should take care us, the citizens of America. That is where I say we start to peace.
• United States
31 Aug 09
At least our illegal immigrants aren't ordered to annihilate the existing inhabitants. Remember history when the White man came to America? A land that was a bounty providing for the needs of everyone, then called by the White man a wilderness filled with wild savages... Good quote right? Paraphrased from Chief Standing Bear of the Lakota
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@quita88 (3716)
• United States
31 Aug 09
Hey, thanks for the best response. I try to do the best I can but you help wiht your responses too !! but, thanks and have a good night. quita88
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• United States
31 Aug 09
I think you gave the correct answer that to end war we need to start here at home and clean the mess up that has been left in our own back yards (government).
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@DavidReedy (2411)
• United States
25 Sep 09
God bless you, child.
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• United States
25 Sep 09
GOD, Bless the Child - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqaFkC0EMmQ - Billie Holiday (YouTube)
• United States
26 Sep 09
Beautiful music indeed.
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@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
31 Aug 09
WE from the states have always went back and tried to rebuild what has been distroyed. \ Just like JApn and oh lord I wont get this right Hirojema andy where we ahve been to war we rebuile BUT they dont respect us for it.
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• United States
31 Aug 09
Especially if our involvement was not required in the first place. If there were lies and manipulations along with the killing of innocent victims then the resentment is justified. It is like being robbed your house is burned down and the thief is providing you with a new structure, half of what you had before built with inferior products and the thief is making a profit also.
@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
1 Sep 09
SPecially when we sell the right to build things and then we buy back these products and hate that they arent up to our standards. Thats what makes me mad ethey take our technology and make it cheaper and inferior
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Sep 09
Everyone is religious. re·li·gion –noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. Everyone has a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe. 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion. Everyone has specific beliefs and practices that they hold in common with others. 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions. Woldviews/belief systems are common to all bodies of any human organization. 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion. We all make committments based on our worldviews/beliefs. 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith. We all act in accordance with those beliefs and practice faith in something or someone in our day to day life. 6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice. Without something to believe in, mankind perishes. Governments count on this. 7. religions, Archaic. religious rites. 8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow. There isn't a person alive who hasn't made some sort of vow. My point is you don't have to believe in the standard 'religious' belief systems to be religious. Mankind is the dominant life on this planet. How did we get there? Because we can think outside the box...we can hope, we can dream, we can plan, we can wonder. Whatever it is that makes us HUMAN enables us to envision, create new ideas and follow them through to the fruition. If we choose not to believe in something greater than ourselves...we often times wind up envisioning ourselves as gods, as being the GREATEST. It is this that makes us so dangerous to one another. It is not belief in the Creator God that makes man so dangerous, it is man himself, without the laws of the Creator God written in his soul. Discard those, and you become your own god....and capable of evil.
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• United States
27 Sep 09
You are always capable of great evil your religious beliefs have not a thing to do with the evil that any person is capable of. What stops a person from committing an evil act? Many times you watch the news and you see nothing stopped the person from committing an evil act. What stopped my wife from signing a document that she knew was a blatant lie? Nothing stopped her from signing a false document even the warning that signing a false document constituted the commission of a felony. The waring was not headed and only later would I obtain the truth. But first I would have to suffer the great harm caused by the lies... And who cares? Did the judge of the doctor care? They got copies of the truth, but they didn't even raise a pen in response... The assistant doctor responded, but I wasn't his patient... How about the leaders of the Church, they knew of the lies and not just one, but did they care? No, not a bit... They even helped to cover up the lie and silence my cries, I was shunned, excommunicated and my friends were told of how I was pure evil and not to have any association with me as I need to be disciplined. Did I care about my friendships that I nurtured? Did my friends really care about me were they really true friends? Not such a pretty picture of what evil people can do is it?
• United States
31 Aug 09
As far as I can see, 'organized religion' is just a blanket label to cover a whole load of people who you may not agree with. It assumes that everyone under that one religion thinks and acts exactly the same. I am a Christian and so belong to what you would call an 'organized religion'. Which, in practice, means I choose to spend some time with people of the same faith as part of expressing my personal faith. You don't know everything I think, and you don't know how it may differ in its expression from the person sitting next to me at church - to say we are all a bunch of mindless people just believing what we are fed is ignorant - how on earth do you know that someone hasn't questioned things, or analyzed it intellectually before coming to their conclusion? Personally I studied at degree level in comparative religion, and came to the conclusion that my faith made intellectual and scientific sense, based on evidence and analysis, not feelings and so called brainwashing. You dismiss an awful lot of very intelligent people with your hypothesis! I question things and like to challenge my own community from the inside frequently, I am not just a passive sheep. Yes I agree that many wars have been started 'in the name ' of religion. I grew up around the conflict in Northern Ireland, and this was often used as an example, with the issues between Catholic and Protestants, but it was rarely mentioned in the media that many churches were there containing people from both sides living in peace and believing in peace together, because they were truly following their faith rather than using it as an excuse for violence. People can do anything they like 'in the name of God' but that doesn't make it the fault either of God, or of those who are simply normal peaceful people going to church, synagogue, mosque, wherever. War about religion is, at the heart of it, not truly about religion but about peoples greed for power and/or money, putting God's name on it as an excuse to do what they want.
• United States
31 Aug 09
And so you have read and understand my story? The United States where I am from has put the name of GOD on our Money and also in our pledge of allegiance now if the hand of man has passed over the Bible and it is a patriarchal belief system beginning at the fall of man stemming from the origin as religion has evolved and is flawed from the beginning of time. In the future the evolution of religion will transition into a new form can you tell me what that form will look like?
• Indonesia
30 Aug 09
the core value of religions, in any kind of religions or beliefs, brings us peace. the only problem is the people who don't understand and misinterpret religion and beliefs to their life. i strongly believe that tolerance of war or killing people in the name of God or holy belief is very false thinking. divinity should be in line with humanity.
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• United States
31 Aug 09
Humanity should be in line with divinity I do agree with you and take it one step further, if the land is the reason given one to another then all land should not be owned and the foundation of the free market would certainly crumble. Where do we learn to covet land (Property)? Here is the thing could we turn the free market system upside down and start out with all the wealth we need? No one would be poor at least not in the beginning...
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@Quiplet (255)
• United States
30 Aug 09
Where's the Passion? In the mind? Probably. People do not get passionate about clothing the naked or housing the homeless though. But people do get passionate over their personal relationship with their Maker. Is it intuitive or imbedded into our DNA? Or bent and twisted by some eloquent speaker like David Koresh or Jim Jones? Has religious fervor been responsible for war? Of course... and it has not always been because of passion but more often than not because of power. A passion for power can drive a man to do horrendous things. Before there can be world peace, there must be a change of attitude. How many dictators in the world can you name - past and present?
• United States
30 Aug 09
Clothing is a barrier to protect from or for healing... Who can heal with food and adequate housing? To feed, house and heal it certainly is more than just an attitude adjustment. My day has begun... I'll be around later...
@ybong007 (6659)
• Philippines
16 Nov 09
religion has been and still is the cause of wars. For the longest time man has been searching for peace but has not been able to achieve it because of differences in religion and beliefs. I think we are meant to be that way, no single man will be able to solve this problem. Cheers!
• United States
21 Nov 09
LBM, Again read the responses posted above, you have projected me as a bad person and a bad christian. In reality you have a flaw in your thinking... But far be it from me to help you comprehend the written word and works that I have provided. I think that homosexuality will always be a sin... For what I sow on Earth will also be sown in Heaven... Why? Maybe you really don't know... (Comprehension)
• United States
21 Nov 09
Okay, greatwhite - so, when your judgment day comes, your god will see that you were a bully, despite your exspouse being bullied and trampled on someone's equal rights. You sown that on earth, so, in heaven, if you make it there, you will be treated just the same. I could, if I wanted, write out my own bible; and tell people it is the "written word", and damn them to the fiery pits of hell if they don't follow it. I could convince them I am a holy person. You have heard of compounds and cults, right with kool-aide spiked with arsenic? They have managed to delude many people into thinking their written word was the proper one. Judeo-christianity is no different than yet another cult. It's just attracted far more followers, by employing an "us" versus "them" mentality to it. It plays on human nature and vulnerability, and longing to fit in. Props to whichever human wrote this bible.
• United States
22 Nov 09
And LBM... What pray tell makes me the bully? Show me again where I have not given equal rights to people who I disagree with... Maybe as I wrote above that your comprehension is a bit off, flawed in error... Go write your own bible and get your own followers, that is a good idea, I have used the very texts that are written and widely accepted by all Judaic, Islamic, Christians and I will guarantee that not one group would recognize their own teachings in my beliefs, just as the scientific community will not acknowledge my beliefs because they can not prove that GOD exists... One thing I know is that neither you or I will see GOD in one or the other... Actually I believe that you have renounced a belief in GOD so that would make the postualtion that GOD exists as an impossibility... For you that is...