I am a senior citizen, must I give up my seat on the bus for a young person?

@Hatley (163781)
Garden Grove, California
September 20, 2009 12:21pm CST
I admit a bit of a rant as well as a reversed question,brought'on by answering an older discussion, I am only 22, but must I give up my seat on the bus to an old person every day? that was the discussion. and somehow maybe I am out of sorts, but it rankled me so hence this question? I am an elderly person, and one person of probably 20 is standing up, no seats left on the bus, am I obliged to get up and'let her sit down? She is not pregnant and seems healthy, so must I be kind and let her have my seat? Have I earned this seat? whats your take on this?
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@maezee (41997)
• United States
20 Sep 09
No. The unwritten rule is for the younger people to stand up in order to let elders sit down, mainly out of respect but also because some seniors & elders can't stand for long periods of time. If the younger person is agile, why not let them stand? You don't have to oblige to do anything.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Sep 09
hi thats what I had hoped but had begin to doubt that people felt that way any more.
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• United States
20 Sep 09
I agree, maezee. It is simply an act of respect for a younger, able bodied person to offer their seat to an elderly person, however it is not expected or even encouraged for an elderly person to do the same for a younger person.
• Philippines
21 Sep 09
i agree with you too italian angel unless the situation is there is a pregnant woman and she is carrying her other child with her. by then the senior citizen may stand up and give the seat to a woman. besides older people have greater compassion to people unlike the younger ones.
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@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
24 Sep 09
Young man, did your mother not teach you any manners or respect for the aged? I'm having a hard time following your turn around scenario where the aged person is asked to give up his or her for the young, healthy woman. Why? Besides the fact that it is just good manners for a gentleman to offer his seat to a female, there is usually a physical reason that a young, healthy, not disabled man to at least offer his seat to an aged person. I assure you that if the old person who is standing does not need to sit down, they will refuse it. We do not want to be coddled, but we do want respect. Treat us with respect, and we will return the favor.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
26 Sep 09
Hello bellis, that was very well said but our Hatley is an elderly female. I believe she was referring to a discussion where a 22 year old was asking if they should give up their seat to a an elderly person...she reversed it asking should I give up my seat to a young person. that's how I figured it out anyway.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
29 Sep 09
look bellis I am not a young man I am an old woman of 82 and yes I did not give u p the seat the bus driver put me in as the young kid of 17 or so was angry with me for taking the seat she wanted let her s tand she was rude and ugly to me. I had to ride ten more miles she got off in two blocks so dont preach at me
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@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
29 Sep 09
Hatley, I apologize for the misunderstanding. I thought I was replying to a young person (probably male) who was trying to be smart by pretending to be an elderly person and asking if they must give up their seat to a younger person. That is the way I understood your post. Had I understood the facts, I would have answered differently. or your information, I'm not that far behind you in years, and I'm afflicted with both arthritis and MS. Thus, I cannot stand very long at a time. I misunderstood you, and you misunderstood me.
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@diamania (7011)
• Netherlands
20 Sep 09
There's not something like earning a seat. There's something like showing respect and being nice though. Letting an older person stand for a few minutes is not nice. Doesn't mean I always take the window seat to let someone sit next to me though. Especially nowadays, as I walk with crutches.
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@ajithlal (14716)
• India
27 Apr 13
I think young children should be taught about manners at young age so that the can be good people when they grow up.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Sep 09
hi diamania if you are on crutches that should entitle you to 'the same respect shown an older person, one who is handicapped should also be shown the same respect. I myself would not want someone to give me the window seat, I would be just grateful for an aisle seat. I am elderly and i have a brace on one leg, they say I am handicapped altho I dont call myself that. but why should I have to get up for a young healthy person?
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Sep 09
hi yes I really did,I had a long ride ahead of me and my bad leg was hurting.
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@meapas (2436)
• India
20 Sep 09
You don't have to feel guilty unless that 20 plus person is very sick and unable to stand then it is a different matter. So nice to know that you feel so much for others despite your old age. Our world needs more of your kind.
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
20 Sep 09
Wow! You have an avatar! Great message too!
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Sep 09
thanks bothof you. yes I will stay in my seat unless the young person needs to sit because she is pregnant or crippled, then I would get up for her.
@meapas (2436)
• India
20 Sep 09
People are known by the company they keep and great company inspires great messages too. Thanks for your company.
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@nenuphar (117)
• France
20 Sep 09
Hi Hatley, I'm in the 60s, I do not expect young people to give up their seat for me, but if they did, I would thank them and accept it if I were loaded with shopping bags LOL! On the other hand, I would happily give up my seat for pregnant women, or someone who shows sign of handicap; but certainly not for young adults. Cheers.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
29 Sep 09
hi thanks for the vote of confidence,as she did not look a bit tired or ill I did stay put and after her nasty remarks nothing would make me budge.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Sep 09
yes James i think common sense should' always rule but the young lady in'my case was quite apparently veryhealthy as she' was hopping back and forth in the aisle'talking to other young people and staring at me.
@nenuphar (117)
• France
22 Sep 09
Hi Hatley, You're right, if I were you I wouldn't budge too! This young girl was most spiteful and ignorant, you shouldn't allow her to trouble or worry you. Have a good day!
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• Philippines
21 Sep 09
If I am a senior citizen and I am confident that I can handle standing in a running bus or train, I will not hesitate to give my seat to a younger person. But I'll choose the person. I will only give my seat to a pregnant woman, those youngs that look like having a hard time standing on the bus or train or those who have loads of things in their hands. Its nice to help others.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
29 Sep 09
no she lost any sympathy I might have had towards her'with that comment.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Sep 09
hi lovelyn the young lady who had to stand was very well'iondeed and jumping around. but she accused me like this,you old ladies always ' take the best seats.she only rode two blocks Ihad to ride fifteen miles.
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• Philippines
22 Sep 09
Well those kind of people must not be offered a seat. She should not make comments like that, I mean she can't forced somebody to stand up and make her sit. Just be thankful if somebody did. I don't think thats a good attitude. I wont mind her.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
13 Feb 10
I always gave up my seat for an elderly person or a pregnant woman while I was growing up. I don't use public transport anymore. But my son has been taught to give up his seat for elders and he will do it willingly. In a bus full of people with elderly people standing, I'm sure it doesn't need to be just one youngster offering a seat everyday. It's never happened to me. And if an elderly person offered me a seat, I would definitely not take it.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Apr 13
sorry I missed this page for four years ago now april 28 2013 and I remember I stayed in myh sea as i had t en miles to go the young lady making the rude remarks got off in three blocks so I thought I could have walked that myself lol,.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
21 Sep 09
I came across that discussion and what I really couldn't believe was how many people agreed with the original poster about it not being fair to give up their seat just because a person is a senior citizen...like yikes--what happened to respect or kindness?
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Sep 09
hi pyewacket and kitty yes that was the discussion that triggered'mine here with the incident the last time I rode a bus. the bus was full but for one seat, the driver said you must sit there as with that brace on your leg,you might fall.please sit down. so I sat,then this young woman leaned over me and said,you old ladies always get the d.best seats. well after that little snippet, I wou ld never get up for her. she got off two blocks later.I had a long ride ahead of me.
• United States
21 Sep 09
If you send me the link I'll be happy to go over there...
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• Philippines
22 Jan 10
Well in that case I guess I'll just transfer to another bus =) anyways I'm always not in a hurry and I give allowance to such situations.. =)
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Apr 13
hi cecillecarmela Here the driver will intervene if necessary as some elderly are the ones gong several miles not just a fe blocks and like me some ere partly handica ped so now I did not let the whiny girl have my seat as i had ten miles to go before getting to my home. Shehad just three blocks to her destination,
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
21 Sep 09
Hi Hatley! This is just so unbelieveable that the young people of today actually have the nerve to even have to think about this and ask this disgusting question! How dare they! When I was in my twenties I never gave it a a moments thought to get up out of my seat for someone who was even slightly older than I was! And now that I am an older person who is slightly disabled if I saw someone who was more disabled than I was I would still give up my seat for them and I really can't stand up on the bus anymore! But, that is just the way that I am! I would do it because I know that these younger people would never even think about doing it! I don't know what has happened and how these kids have been raised, but they just don't give a crap about older people anymore and it is really disgusting!
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Sep 09
hi opal I was raised to be kind to my elders and always' give up my seat if needed to an older crippled person'but now dayhs so many youngsters feel they come first, this young woman was' abou t twenty and I was 82,yet she was mad because the driver'gave me the last seat. she only rode two blocks. Ihad fifteen more miles to 'go. she said to me,you old ladies always get all the good seats.wellnow i would not do a thing for her.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
29 Sep 09
hi opal oh my gosh did I wow. I think thats the first time. well good for me. that brightens up my day.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
21 Sep 09
Hatley, I would have told her to wait until one day when she is an "old lady"! But what I really would have wanted to do is slap the crap out of her!lol And all that for a lousy 2 blocks! This is what the youngsters of today are like! It is just too sad! Nice going on making the Digest with such a great discussion!
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@1hopefulman (45123)
• Canada
19 Jan 10
I was taught to show respect for older people and any that have infirmities, so that is what I do. When I take the bus and seats are few I just don't bother to sit as I still have good health. As a senior citizen I think you have earned certain privileges. So unless the young person has some kind of problem then enjoy your seat.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Apr 13
i one yr later sorry I will learn to c heck. I did stat i n ny seat and as iut was a t en mile ride aI was gladei did as I w as tired and had to wo rk tha next day if only part time. I am glad I was still able to work back when I wrote this.]
• Philippines
20 Sep 09
It is a big No in my country for a older citizen to give up her seat just to let a younger person seat. it is a sign of disrespect and in my country most old citizen are being care despite having dementia they are received the most care and attention. Even, if in cases you offer your seat and i am the young man. I would still refuse your kindness and insist you seat. A high demand for older citizen is a must in my country and the young ones must be the one to let go, giving much privileges to the older one.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Sep 09
hi neelianoscet thanks for your input as I know in some countries elderly people are held in high respect here in the US its not'quite that way. we look on old people as in the way a lot of times.
@lelin1123 (15595)
• Puerto Rico
20 Sep 09
I have given up my seat for the elderly and for pregnant females many times. Its not a rule or law but giving up your seat to these people is a nice thing to do for someone who may not be able to stand for a long period of time. I'm not saying to do it everyday. Also its good to do it only if you are seriously doing it from the kindness of your heart. Not because you feel embarrassed into doing it. Another thing I have noticed in my 52 years on this earth a female will get up faster for someone then a man will and that really gets me upset. I have seen many times where I may be towards the back of a crowded bus an a elderly or pregnant lady gets on the bus and stands in front of a man. The man will either act like he is sleeping or just ignore that female standing in front of them. That gets me so mad.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Nov 09
hi lelin I have really got angry at men who see a pregnant woman standing with a toddler in her arms, and even the bus driver did not make sure she got a seat. most drivers will but a few just do not bother.
@malamar (779)
• Canada
21 Sep 09
You are not expected to give up your seat to someone younger than yourself, be it man or woman. There is one rule of thumb I always follow - if any person less fit than myself is standing, then I give up my sit irregardless of age or gender. Can't really go wrong if you follow this one.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
29 Sep 09
thanks malamar my confidence is restored in the younger' generatin now. I would not give her a seat after her nasty remark to my anyway. and she was very able, and only rode two blocks. why didnt she just walk?
@vicky30 (4766)
• India
5 Dec 09
If the person is sick or pregnant then you must give up your seat in the bus.But i do not think she needs to bother you as you are a senior citizen.She can ask other people in the bus also.Once i too had to give up a seat the person came to me and said he was having leg problems.So angry i was that day now i never sit in the handicapped or ladies seat.
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@vicky30 (4766)
• India
9 Dec 09
That is a very good habit giving seat to the old people.Happy mylotting.
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@vicky30 (4766)
• India
5 Dec 09
Yeah you are right.Young people are so lazy nowadays they do not consider old people when they are sitting.I get irritated when people ask me to get up so i never sit in seats meant for other people.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Dec 09
hi yes when I was younger I never took those seats either as the bus had these placards up that said these are reserved for the handicapped and the elderly. My parents taught me to always give up my seat to an older person, and I have never forgotten that.
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@jdyrj777 (6530)
• United States
22 Sep 09
You are right, the older person should have the seat. I ride the bus too. I see some really rude stuff that can not be right. Young women with big strollers take the handicapp areas. Most of these babies im seeing in the strollers are like 1- 2 years old. Old enough to get out so the strolled can be folded up. One day on the bus two big stroller were in the two wheelchair spots. Then the next stop a wheelchair got on guess where he had to sit? Right in the middle of the isle up in the front. The only time i give up a seat to a younger person is if they are handicapp or if a female is pregnant.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
29 Sep 09
hi jdyri777 yes so many things seem ridiculous when we 'ride the city buses so if the drivers really care they will at times intervene.but some dont seem to care at all. but the driver I had did care, she seated me in the last seat, and she made the loafing boys get up and give their seats to three older women,one of whom was blind, the other two just old and feeble.
@jdyrj777 (6530)
• United States
29 Sep 09
Yes a lot of that depends upon the bus driver. I cant stand it when i see people disrespectfully putting their feet up on a empty seat. I know this one driver will make them put their feet down. She will tell them over the loud speaker. Our bus compamy here has flyer and a sign up now telling the people with these big strollers to fold them up when necessary. It also tells them if they are going to be riding the bus they should purchase the umbrella type stroller.
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@jdyrj777 (6530)
• United States
22 Sep 09
Even if she is pregnant if my legs and feet hurt i dont get up.
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@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
21 Sep 09
In my opinion. No need for you to do that because of respect to someone most especially young girl. You are an old man that have weak bones that should be protected for not standing on the bus... Have a nice day!
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
29 Sep 09
hi aerous no I am an older woman who has a bad leg, and uses a quad . Hatley is my last name, I am a Mrs.he he he. but you'are right my bones in my left leg are weak.standing long periods makes me very tired.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Oct 09
hi yes I am an older woman82 and have a bad leg so have to sit after just a few minutes standing.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
30 Sep 09
Oh! I see..pardon me for saying old man, my friend. Because I don't see your gender so I presume you are man. So how old are to make I can response and give my opinion in your situation...have a great day!
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• Malaysia
20 Sep 09
Hi, Hatley! It totally depends on whether you yourself can bear to stand until you reach your destination. If the 20 something girl is not pregnant and seems to be in good health, I agree with one of the lotters saying that you do not need to feel guilty. In my opinion, as an elderly you deserved that seat. I am sure the 20 something girl would have thought the same thing when she was older and in the situation as where you are now. It is a cycle, a give and take between two generations.
@shia88 (4571)
• Malaysia
20 Sep 09
Hi Hatley, I will give my seats away for old folks and pregnant woman either on a bus or train. They need the seat more than I am. I am still young and can stand more than them. We are human being and have feelings too. So be kind enough to other people and don't forget that we will get old one day. We also don't want other people to treat us bad in future. So doing good things now will make our life happier in future.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
20 Sep 09
hi I am so glad that most people still feel that way and if the young lady had looked ill or was lame or pregant I would have stood up and let her have my seat.
@hagirl (1295)
• United States
22 Sep 09
I have always been taught to respect your elders. Even though you are probably coming home from work from a long day at work. Think how may days of work that 60 yr. old has put in more than you. It is just a common courtesy. I am 39 yrs old and I even find myself giving up my seat before someone younger than me because of my upbringing. I think it is a personal preference. But their work is done and even though you just got off work, Your work has just begun.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
29 Sep 09
hi thanks for the vote of cofidence
@hagirl (1295)
• United States
29 Sep 09
you are welcome...I have older parents.....I am only 39 but get older every year.
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@hagirl (1295)
• United States
29 Sep 09
Even though I got it wrong I still put in a good point for you. No That seat would be yours in my book.
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