Is it legal to give a 4th grader a lie detector test over the phone

United States
September 23, 2009 7:50pm CST
I know of a 4th grader that was told that he lied to his parents when he was sick I'm trying to find out if it's legal to give this test without the parents, and child's consent?
1 person likes this
8 responses
@xfahctor (14131)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
24 Sep 09
Never mind if it's legal, I don't even think it's POSSIBLE over the phone
1 person likes this
@owlwings (39621)
• Cambridge, England
24 Sep 09
I don't think it's possible over the phone, either (for various technical reasons), in which case it is highly ILLEGAL to threaten or coerce anyone using the results of any such supposed test!
@spalladino (17925)
• United States
24 Sep 09
I hope they don't have lie detector equipment that works over the phone. I lie on the phone all the time. "No, he's not here. Would you like to leave a message?"
@Rollo1 (16686)
• Boston, Massachusetts
24 Sep 09
A real polygraph is not infallible and is not even admissible as evidence in a court of law. A real polygraph can't be given over the phone. It involves measuring biological vital signs like respiration, pulse and blood pressure. If this was a school official that told the 4th grader this, they are either lying to scare him or they used some phony lie detector they bought over the internet. I think it was probably a story they told him to scare him into confessing. In either case, I would call a lawyer and sue the parties responsible for the incident.
1 person likes this
• United States
24 Sep 09
As everyone else said, it A) wouldn't be possible to do over the phone, and B) would be legal with out the parents or guardians consent, as the child isunder 18.. But you would be amazed what you can get for a confession out of a young child just by SAYING you are/can do it.... But now...my question...is it REALLY such a big deal if the kid did lie to his parents and say he was sick? I am assuming he did this to get out of school, which is something that most all kids have done, or tried to do at some point. It seems to me that is ANYONE should be worried about it, it should be his parents, and others should keep their noses in their own business.
• United States
24 Sep 09
the child called and said he was sick, says the principle pulled him in the office and told him he was on a lie detector and then told another relative that they think he's lieing to get out of school, child came home and puked up lunch doesn't sound to me that the child is lying here.
• United States
24 Sep 09
In that instance, unless the child has a previous track record of faking illness in order to get out of school, the parents simply should have been called and he sent home. There is no need to harass a child just because he claims to not feel good. He should have been sent home and then his parents could have determined whether or not he was truley sick, and if not, they should have been the ones to deal with him. If he has done this many times in the past, then i could see the school maybe being a little leery of just letting the child go. I think they should have sent him to the nurses office to get checked out, let him sit and rest for a while, and monitored his behavior and actions. Maybe make him read the story about the little boy who cried wolf, and see if he gets anything out of it. But i still don't think it is a good thing to bring the child to the principal and try to intimidate him. It should really be a parental matter. If the principal thought there was a problem, or didn't beleive the child, he should call and discuss this with the parents.
@xfahctor (14131)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
24 Sep 09
The principal was full of shytte, you cannot do a lie detector over the phone.
• United States
24 Sep 09
I don't even know if it is possible. Over the phone...I have never heard of htat. But even if they could...no it is NOT legal to do it without the parents and the child consent. Most importantly the parents consent. It would be illegal. Anf who ever did it would be in deep deep trouble. Definately in a civil court but possible in a criminal court as well.
@owlwings (39621)
• Cambridge, England
24 Sep 09
I cannot think that any test done without either the parents or the child's consent would have any more chance than a snowflake in hell of standing up in a court of law. If the case were to come to court and that were offered as evidence, I think that it would go very badly for the school! 'Lie detector' tests are, at best, only a guide and, in order to be considered as evidence in court, they have to be conducted by qualified personnel and with the consent (or at least the knowledge) of the subject. One method involves sophisticated (and expensive) equipment which has to detect differences in frequency which are simply not possible without a good microphone. The bandwidth of a phone line is not good enough for that and there is no test that could tell conclusively from a phone conversation whether someone was lying or not. To be at all credible, a voice lie detector test must be conducted in a controlled environment by qualified operators with a carefully formulated set of questions. The story you tell here sounds to me like a bluff and would amount to bullying and coercion of the parents or the child by the school authorities, possibly in the full knowledge that the parents don't know enough about it to challenge the school and couldn't afford (or wouldn't think it worth it) to take the school to court. If I knew of such a tactic being used by a school with which I had any dealings, I would make a formal complaint, first to the Head of the school and then to the Education Authority.
@irishidid (8715)
• United States
24 Sep 09
I'd say that would be a very gullible 4th grader to believe such a thing is possible. About as preposterous as being told you can tell a woman is pregnant by the sound of her voice.
@uath13 (8207)
• United States
24 Sep 09
It's not even possible. You have to have several monitors strapped to his body to do it, over the phone wouldn't work.
@dlr297 (5418)
• United States
24 Sep 09
I do not think that it is legal to give a child a lie detector test with out parents consent. and i did not know that you could give it to someone over the phone, how did they hook him up to all the things they hook you up to to read your responses on the machine.