The Universe, Creation and Evolution...

United States
September 27, 2009 12:22pm CST
Do you believe in nothing? Can you define eternal and infinite? I have a premise that puts Scientists and Theologians in the same puddle of mire and much when they espouse the same beliefs and come to a null conclusion about the origins of life on Earth as they lean on a theory promoted in the Bible in the Beginning in the Book of Genesis. We could call this theory the Genesis flaw. To read more on this subject you can check out this link a little piece I just wrote earlier today... http://tgwbmypreaching.blogspot.com/2009/09/universe-evolution-and-creation.html the real deception in our world is created by people who wish to control other people instead of looking for an avenue of compromise, the only way we can compromise is if we can clearly state what we desire or what we are doing. There are always two sides, and both sides must have a voice because both sides have rights. Our words can be made new and our terms can be made succinct. Our beliefs should also be evolving as we continue to grow as a civilized society. What I am saying is that our words must be true so that a word will remain true.
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@eileenleyva (10964)
• Philippines
1 Oct 09
A puddle is very real to me. It had been a long time since I played carefree. Now that it is raining, perhaps i can jump into one. Had been too serious these past two decades. Time for a childlike breather.
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• United States
1 Oct 09
A puddle is just fine, but a deluge is water of an over abundance... It is hard to dance in rushing flood waters... But alas, carefree is a wonderful way to live... Singing La, lala, la, La, lala, la... Breaks into whistle...
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@eileenleyva (10964)
• Philippines
2 Oct 09
I was fearing you might not take my response positively. I just wanted to relax that heart of yours. Glad you are not too serious. Do you know that my country had that deluge a few days ago? True, the condition is not danceable. My own relatives were so affected I literally hopped from one abode to another to give them moral and stomach support. I was exhausted. I do not like deluge. Just a puddle, please!
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• United States
3 Oct 09
You and your people are in my prayers. I wish that everyone could be safe those storms sound really bad, and I wish I could help, we are all suffering in this world, in many different ways... I have thoughts where people can create solutions, but unfortunately too many people are creating problems, we need to shift the paradigm the paradox is really simple if we stop making the problem more complicated than it has to be. From serious to light and back to serious again... My heart is just fine and I love to hear from you and others. Good Luck, I know I can only offer moral support right now, it isn't much but it is all I have to offer, I know I feel comforted from words of support and thoughts where we can draw strength and knowledge from each other. Best Wishes, Sincerely, Gary
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@James72 (26832)
• Australia
27 Sep 09
"There are always two sides, and both sides must have a voice because both sides have rights." On this point specifically, I wish it were that straightforward! But of course it isn't..... What IS truth? This in itself is the conundrum, for what is one person's truth is not necessarily another's. Who is the ultimate arbitrator then? Who deems what the actual realities are? Is it God? Unfortunately no, because even God is one thing to one person and yet something entirely different to another..... Then we have balance. Parsee beliefs, Yin and Yang to mention just two. Balance is what creates that search for the supposed truth, but again, the answers will always be subjective. As far as I'm concerned, there IS no truth, there are only perceptions. What leans a situation for or against us is INFLUENCE; not right or wrong, moral or immoral, just or unjust! Yes, we must always evolve and we WILL always evolve, but our core mannerisms will always remain the same in this regard and we will be swayed by what or who influences us, not by "truth"! The seeking of knowledge can arguably bring us to an individual understanding of what we BELIEVE to be the truth, but again this is only perception; it's subjective and it's singular. We were all granted free will by God and this is our legacy. It's our free will that'll forever cause conflict because no two people can ever truly co-exist with completely parallel lines of thought. And yes, compromise is an avenue of reason, but it is flawed in that each person must still surrender something in order to win. Are we honestly geared for that? New words, succint terms and even an entirely revolutionary race of people that defy these patterns by default will never fully succeed unless we're talking about absolute purity of their existence. Will there ever be such a thing? All we can do in my opinion is seek inner peace and harmony and then cope with the onslaught as best we can! If we're fortunate, it's US that will become the influencers and others will follow.
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• United States
27 Sep 09
As if following the link to the source of the information, the great debacle is when a universal truth can not be refuted. A false belief is then exposed as folly, much like the belief in a flat earth, I'm sure that theory has been well put to rest by a simple orbit or observation and critical thinking. Let's put on our thinking caps and just try to understand the truth that should be allowed to be known. For the unknown there is a subjective reality unfortunately we are getting to know more and more about human behavior and what is all around us, there is getting to be less and less that can and will be hidden. The liars and thief's will soon be exposed... It is almost inevitable.
@savak03 (6681)
• United States
27 Sep 09
Hi James, glad to see I'm not the only one on the lot today. Why don't you start a nice discussion so I we can have more to respond to?
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@James72 (26832)
• Australia
27 Sep 09
Heya Savak Yes, I'm about to some degree, but I'm not so active here these days. I have a bit on my plate and I've been having a mylot slump of sorts! It'll be no discussions from me for now I'm afraid as I can't maintain one if I start it and I don't want to just leave one open without my attention on it. May I recommend you have a sift through some panda spanking discussions? I see there've been a few new ones added lately! Nothing lifts the mood like a good old panda spank! lol
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@savak03 (6681)
• United States
27 Sep 09
Ah Ricky. Sometimes your discussions are so deep I don't know quite how to answer. I do however believe. I believe in the Bible and the message it has for us. A clear study of this important book tells us that as humans we have free will so we can believe what ever we want and the only way someone else can control us is if we let them. The only power that others hold over us is the power we give them.
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@savak03 (6681)
• United States
27 Sep 09
Valid points but still, we brought ourselves to this sorry state.
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@James72 (26832)
• Australia
27 Sep 09
Which again brings us back to influence..... Right or wrong just isn't a definitive thing anymore. Yes, we are learning more about human behaviours; and yes, many liars and thieves will be exposed as we evolve in terms of our collective understanding of the human condition; but many of these liars and thieves will be elevated to the highest levels of society and esteem there is as well! Influence and the ability to create self serving perceptions rule the roost, not truth, justice or morality! This may sound pessimistic, but it's not. It's a reality.
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• United States
28 Sep 09
I'm sorry that I have spent most of the day recreating my work from that other web site where all my links got crashed. My work on Organized Religion and my letters that I'm going to send have taken the priority for this day... I have some comments below to add before I turn in for bed...
• United States
28 Sep 09
I believe that there is something out there, but I do not believe that it can ever be explained. Religions of the world can try to explain what it is all that they like, but they will never arrive at the right answer. People can believe and believe, but they what happens when their belief and faith is shaken? I do believe in science because science can be proven, so far, evolution is being proven all of the time. It is becoming so easy to accept evolution because it has been, and is always being, scientifically proven. People have yet to prove the Creation theory. Everyone tries, and everyone gives me their explanations and proof for it, but until I see the scientific proof that I see with evolution, it is still hard for me to believe it. Now, did someone or something create us, yes, because we cannot come from nowhere. Something or someone had to create us, but why? How? When? For what reason? We will never know that. I can support a compromise. God (if that is what people want to call it) created life, but life evolved over time, we started out from cells, we changed, we grew, we adapted, and we became what we are today. Do I believe that things can change and adapt? Yes because I have seen my own cats change and adapt to what life has thrown them, I have seen people change and adapte to what life have given them. In order for humanity to survive we have to be able to go outside the box and we have to be able to adapt to what is in our lives. I thought that I would never get use to using computers, but in time I got used to computers. I did not like computers very much because I did not really know how to use them or how to deal with them, but over the years, I have been learning that the computer has many uses and that anyone can use the computer if they are willing to learn about it. You do not have to be a genius to use a computer, you just have to learn it. Everyone online has had to learn to use computers. People a thousand years ago would never have done this or learned about computers. My own grandmother has never really learned to use a computer and she does not own one. She looks to me for all of that. She told me she could never do it, but to live in this world we have to learn to adapt to using the technology that we have. Adapting is, believe it or not, an evolutionary trait. We need to adapt to survive. We need to change who we are in order to better who we are. What would we, human beings, be if we did not decide to adapt and change?
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• United States
28 Sep 09
You just earned the BR... Dang I couldn't put it any better in fewer words... You have to visit my blog, go from the link in my profile and check out how linking your writings together can become a memory aid, this could be a great tool to combat memory loss issues and help sharpen the minds of our aging population. But who am I to figure out how to connect everything together? Thank you for your contribution here... As for the origins of man through evolution very insightful of you... I suspect we are going to find the seed of life eventually, the combination of energy and elements that create the spark with the right amount of time much like incubation of a thought into the manifestation of life into a reality that is tangible.
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• United States
29 Sep 09
I would add, without wanting to disagree with anybody here, a couple of notions that I've either come up with or been shown by others over the years. One, I suggest that a Creator (which I do believe in) could and would very well use within "His"/Its arsenal the tool that is evolution--, that is to say, to create life so that it would or could become better and more advanced. Now, the second thing I want to address, I will adamantly confess ignorance here, but I find it an interesting notion, and this is from the world of quantum physics, a notion has been presented that perhaps evolution isn't so "accidental" or "incidental" or necessarily through selective breeding, etc., but indeed, perhaps it requires, or at least can come about as a result of, the will of the living entity itself. Just some thoughts on the matter at hand. DR...
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• United States
29 Sep 09
Well thinking on the lines that I'm thinking then the will would be the catalyst for the change, a good will brings about a good change and the opposite of good change is fouled or cursed. At that we have to wonder what happens to good people that experience bad things? Why? There are many reasons for the changes that we experience and the burdens that we are given can and should be shared instead of trying to carry that heavy load alone. How do you talk to an angel - playing at the moment, but so true, talking to an angel is like trying to catch a falling (fallen) star.
@DavidReedy (2411)
• United States
28 Sep 09
I have always thought that the reality of things is that there is both evolution and "intelligent design" (back before such a thing became a catchphrase)and that there's no reason that science and spirituality cannot go hand-in-hand. Quantum physicists are largely massing toward belief in a superior consciousness, despite the seemingly required atheism of the rest of the scientific community. Meanwhile, on this last point I realize I preach to the choir, but religious communities still utter hard-to-swallow nonsense as the explanations for all things and seemingly strive to block true scientific exploration...On the otherhand, there are those who in the name of science would do anything to learn anything, without omoral thought or inclination... What a messy age we live in. dr...
• United States
28 Sep 09
Like birthing pains for the next generation is coming whether we are ready or not. This is the end of one era and the beginning of another. You know what was written in the last book of the Bible? Imagine if things change and yet the transition is virtually seamless? There are changes that we can measure but for the most part it is possible that we can transition in peace if we all work together. Of course what will it take to get the others to join in? I have some letters to print... Maybe that will help move things forward. Oh' and yes I'm doing a bit of an edit as I've been given some great words to share... Six letters they will be very similar to the original letters that I have created the essence will still be the same. Peace and Blessings, Sincerely, Gary
• United States
29 Sep 09
I support full-heartedly your passions in this, and am glad someone like you has this passion, by extension then I am in support of all of us who would strive for a "New World", not for and by the elitists' pragmatic/totalitarian/genocidal versions of such, but one where intellect, compassion, wisdom, truth, hard work-acts and knowledge both are the greatest of virtues shared by all (for all). DR...
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• United States
29 Sep 09
@Quiplet (255)
• United States
27 Sep 09
I agree to some points. The people from 2500 years ago were unlike us of today. Many were superstitious and had no way to logically express things they saw, or to even critically question experiences they thought to be reality. This is how Myth developed. There cannot be true words if there is little understanding. Rosicrucians and other 'secret' societies have worked for hundreds of years to bridge science (fact and understanding) and religion (belief and hope). It's been a long long journey, but many are beginning to see each side. Beliefs have evolved - greatly. But understanding is still lacking. Was growth due to technology, or experience? (both)
• United States
28 Sep 09
Had I explored the suffering at a younger age instead of being told to forgive and forget then I would have been able to come up with the answers so many years ago. Way back in the sixth grade I was close to explaining to my father what was wrong, but I was told that it was not my time to share what I know and knew. I won't be quiet any longer. What was wrong then and again when I was punished in the eleventh grade for being abused was wrong just as wrong as my dad and the teachers were in sixth grade. The answer was simple you don't punish the innocent. Yet some religious beliefs continue to sacrifice the innocent allowing evil to flourish in their midst. This bridge between science and religion the bridge between knowledge and belief that has great hope can work together if we stop telling each other how it can not work and start looking into the answers that build and blend the two forces in a braid together making one strand and another combined for a strong bridge that will stand the test of time for eternity. If you listen you will hear the message in the lyrics of the songs... Who needs somebody to lean On, Lean on me... For it is the climb... And on and on... I know it would help if I add a little Mozart in the mix...
@Quiplet (255)
• United States
28 Sep 09
Well, a child does always see things differently than an adult (those durn hormones). And your 'father' may have been right that the time was not ripe. Weird though, Plato taught that the Earth was a living being - with a soul. And his followers were religious fanatics. Times do change - especially when one grows (as science does). ...but Oh Me... I think Gaia is alive - although not perhaps that well-- as we are experiencing 'earth changes' or 'global warming' or pre-2012 symptoms (or peculiar sun minimums and maximums). At any rate, we should be happy that today is TODAY. And I'm listening to Mozart as I write... love the piano concertos. (la, la, la, la, la):)
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• United States
29 Sep 09
@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
27 Sep 09
yup this is true!
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• United States
28 Sep 09
Yup, there is much truth to be known from our hearts and minds as we share together.
@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
28 Sep 09
yes!
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@flowerchilde (12520)
• United States
6 Nov 09
I enjoyed reading your article, the Universe, Creation and Evolution, in your blog! It was very interesting! And very poetic/spiritual..
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• United States
8 Nov 09
Thank You,
@schentil (98)
• India
28 Sep 09
The eve of life on earth is still a mystery, I hope. However, there are many believes based on religion, science, common conception, etc. What I believe most is that the evolution from a single amieba. That explanation only satisfies me to some extent. And other things failed to prove and irrational. As only there is a little difference between monkey and human DNA structure, I believe that evolution has played a greater role.
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• United States
28 Sep 09
I get what you are conveying in your conversation, I think the answer will come in time... We are just not yet ready to find the answer. But we are getting closer.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Sep 09
I addressed the control issue in a previous post on one of your discussion. In short, why throw out the proverbial baby with the bath water? So, men have corrupted and twisted the truth? We both know that. Why is it necessary to suspend belief in a Creator God because mankind is bent on controling others? You seem like a smart person. And I agree with you that we need to find a way to all get along. I keep searching for that way. But compromising the truth is not the way to do so. As far as beliefs evolving...if our beliefs are TRUE then it is US who need to evolve, not the truth. And the only way for our spirits (that part of us capable of perceiving truth) to evolve to where The Truth is....is to continue to seek truth. Mankind has proven over and over that all the good intentions conceived of by man, turn to sh!t...you cannot inherit the beliefs or the ideologies of your parents simply by being born to them, they must be found by experience and effort. I am proud to be part of your discussions. Thank you for allowing me to respond.
• United States
28 Sep 09
Debrakcarey, When you talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water and the suspension of belief in a Creator God... You clearly miss the very point that I'm making. This is not a thing of some mockery of Organized Religion, it is a necessity for our very survival as humans. If we continue to engage in our current behaviors we will consume all of our natural resources for what? Talk about throwing out the baby, we will have to force our sons and daughters to abort their children as raising children will be a gamble in the future if we continue on our current path. Consider the amount of land used to worship? Consider all of the fighting for land ownership. What about literature the resources used to create material in print and the travel to and from houses of worship? How much in economic resources could we as humans save for the next generation? The numbers are staggering... sobering at best... Then there is a matter of truth, if the Universe is infinite, a much contested theory at the moment but none the less valid as the edge of the universe has yet to be located. Once again we turn to a greater horizon, and what of the punishment of Adam and Eve? What did Adam suffer was it not recorded that he was right there with Eve? We could talk more about the Garden of Eden and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of life... I enjoy being challenged to a point, as we all do, let's continue our friendly conversation and see where the truth will take us. I am intrigued to go through the whole text from cover to cover as there is a lot of material that is twisted to uncover. Lifting the veil of deception and hypocrisy begins with a mutual understanding. First we have to agree upon the attributes of this GOD that we worship. For me my GOD loves Justice and Life, my GOD is pure and holy and is gender neutral. Gender neutral because of the parental nature that keeps a close loving eye on us the children. Peace and Blessings, Sincerely, Gary