Obama Vs. Hitler. Are there any rational comparissons?

@II2aTee (2560)
United States
October 2, 2009 9:49am CST
I’ve noticed a few people here compare Barak Obama to Adolf Hitler. I call this kind of base comparison nothing but hysteria. Not only that but it is an insult to anyone whom has been terrorized by the ACTUAL Nazi regime, and a slap in the face to the brave forces who rallied against it. Anyone who compares Obama to Hitler obviously has no historical knowledge of who Hitler was. You may not like Obama or his policies. You may disagree with everything he does. You may believe that President Obama is marching America down the road to Socialism (which Hitler hated almost as much as Jewish people, by the way.) But there can be no comparison between Hitler and the current President of the United States. I have always had a constructive interest in Adolf Hitler. Who he was, how he rose to power, and the substance that made up his historical character. Having read Mein Kampf I can say with exact certainty that if anyone in the present day world is anywhere close to the level of Adolf Hitler, it is Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. And even Ahmadinejad lives in the shade of Hitler. I asked someone, how is Obama like Hitler? The response I received was “Hitler was an amazing speaker, and a charismatic leader. He could move crowds with his powerful words… and so does Obama.” Really? Really. Come now. Just because Barak Obama can deliver a good speach, that puts him on the same level as history’s most notorious lunatic? This is not a post defending Barak Obama. This is merely a plea to the sensibilities of all Americans, from an American. If you are unclear at all of the depth of Adolf Hitlers ruthlessness or insanity, PLEASE do some research. Read Mein Kampf so that you can understand that Barack Obama and Adolf Hitler are polar opposites. And by the way, please go on disagreeing with Obama. Please continue to sound the alarms and fight for what you think is right. Because that’s what makes America so great. In America you are allowed, even encouraged to speak out and ask questions. The denizens of a Nazi Germany were never so fortunate.
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@xfahctor (14131)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
2 Oct 09
I will offer perhaps the only rational comparisson you will hear. Keep in mind I am not compairing Obama, the man to Hitler, the man. I will instead compair the phenomenon of Obama. the office of president, though one to be respected, even aspired to, is still one of servitude, the president is an elected public servant, nothing more and nothing at all worthy of celebrity status and worship. Even durring the kenedy era, we did not see this type of near idol worship applied to a political figure. This is a very dangerous culture and one we absolutely should not be encouraged or even allowed to develop. If we do this, we will inevitably get our own "hitler", and he or she will be welcomed through the front door as a savior. Obama, the man, is no hitler, not by any stretch of the imagination. However, the culture that is developing around the phenomenon of Obama is earily similar. Read the following letter....... Fr. Ingbert Naab’s Open Letter to Hitler: [i] "Dear Mr. Hitler: It is not my profession to make politics and I do not have political intentions in writing this letter. But your political activities have one side that is deeply intruding into the conscience, into responsibility before God…. You are surrounded by flattery wherever you go and the frenzy of enthusiasm surrounding you at your gatherings prevents you from having any thought about whether your work will pass muster before God; because you are of the opinion: Germany is on my side. Your newspapers idolize you to a sickening degree. You are dubbed the ‘Great Redeemer from Want.; You are yourself convinced of this, ascribing to your one and only personality all the attributes necessary to rebuild Germany. In the future you will need nothing at all by which to set your course. Your will is meant to be the only maxim for Germany and your command the only signpost. Has your conscience at any time reminded you of what a degree of self-assessment this conviction represents? Who among your followers dares to destroy this belief?....Your whole entourage is one conscience-narcotic for you…. You and your press are stating: ‘The Future Germany,’ ‘The Elite of the Nation.’ There are indeed quite a number of idealists within your ranks who earnestly hope for everything good from you. These idealists do not know the true National Socialism, do not know what you are planning nor what you personally, or your agents, have negotiated. Could you risk showing your cards?....does the mass of your adherers really know about your true program?.... You have instilled such blind trust in your personality into the idealists that they see you as a God-given prophet to whose mission one has to submit. Seldom has a human being demanded so much servility of spirit as yourself, the ‘Herald of German Freedom.’…. Who has voted for you?...Mr. Hitler, speaking between ourselves: what do you think of the Catholics who voted for you? Blind herd or voters, what?.... Who has voted for you? Those economically foundering. They hope for deliverance through you. The farmer facing PublicSale, the businessman seeing no way out. ‘It can’t get any worse,’ they say, ‘for 7 years now Hindenburg has been at the helm and achieved nothing. Now we’ll give Hitler a chance, and if he is no good either we’ll get rid of him.’ The psychology of those facing ruin is like that, Mr. Hitler. Your election is for many the least desperate measure, but not the last! There remains Bolshevism…. Who has voted for you? Those people who due to suggestion believed in the inevitability of you becoming President…. Who has voted for you? The cowards who didn’t want to lose their positions. Many people had already accommodated themselves to your rule, especially among those in state employment…. Who has voted for you? Position hunters and future party-book civil servants…. Who has voted for you? People trying to escape their financial responsibilities…. There were people who defied their creditors with the message: ‘I don’ pay anymore. Hitler is coming now and then I don’t have to pay anything’….But have you also considered the decline of morals passed on to the masses by these dubious speculations in a ‘Third Reich’? Who has voted for you? A mass of unripe young people…now you know nothing more important than to get just these unripe youngsters into harness….“I do not remonstrate on the political aspects…I am appealing solely to your conscience. What do you say to the fact that your party promises all things to all men, even the most contradictory things. And why? What else but the lust for power….’lying lips are an abomination to the Lord’ [Prov. 12:22] in the service of politics, too. And ‘lies are shortlived.’ even when spoken by eloquent men. Why don’t you come out into the open? Isn’t your reticence in religious questions one great deception of the masses?.... Mr. Hitler, the tearing apart of Germany, that is your fault, your conscience has to bear it. You want to unite people…. A possible civil war: that is your fault, your conscience has to bear it. You know you cannot grasp the helm legally in the near future. But your phalanges have been driven into such delusions that you are no longer able to keep them in a quiet mood…. Despoilment of the youth: that is your fault, your conscience has to bear it….And how radical will this youth indoctrinated by your ideas become when they find themselves betrayed? You know it yourself: from your ranks to Bolshevism is but a step. For many the mental attitude is already the same…. The confusion of moral principles: that is your fault, your conscience has to bear it…. ….We are preaching not the gospel of hate but of love, towards you too. Love contains above all our duty to tell you the truth, however bitter. We do not hold with lies, and refute them just as sharply when used against you as when damaging someone else…. Mr. Hitler, do not forget your conscience!” Fr. Ingbert Naab, O.F.M. Cap.
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@II2aTee (2560)
• United States
2 Oct 09
First of all I want to thank you and thank you again for presenting to me this tidbit of historical gold. I am by no means a “Hitler Buff” but I have a deep fascination in him. I enjoy learning all that I can about him and the people who surrounded him… as well as the people who’s lives were so deeply affected by him. For me, it is not enough to say “Hitler was evil because he wanted to kill all the Jews and rule the world. End of story.” No… I want to know what in his life turned him from an aspiring artist and architect into the “Antichrist”. Because reading about him, his early life was much like anyone else. A rebellious teen who wanted to follow his own dreams rather than the dreams of his father. It’s fascinating. But I digress. As I sat back thinking about this discuss after I posted it, I realized yet another comparison might be drawn. Above anything else, Hitler had a colossal amount of patriotism for Germany. He was fanatical about it. I think this, also should be included in this open letter to future leaders. Thinking that ones country is the greatest country on earth. It’s great to have American pride. But if that pride destroys innocent lives halfway across the planet, then that pride should become our shame. In regards to this letter (which I LOVE, thank you again for showing it to me) and the discussion in general, the adoration that we see for Obama is not imposed by Barak himself. The Obama tee shirts… coffee mugs… anything “hype” is actually perpetuated by AMERICANS… not Obama. You know that of course, so I don’t need to say it. Even still it bears mention that Hitler inflicted his image upon Germany, forced them to idolize him… with consequences for noncompliance. “Mein Kapmf” was a book that HAD to be in every household… it was given to troops and newlyweds. Had to be committed to memory. I don’t see Barak Obama even promoting his book let alone forcing it down the throats of every American. Sure there is hype surrounding Obama, but much of that can be attributed to the fact that he IS the first black president, and many people across America celebrate that achievement and attach it to Barak Obama by default. I do not mean to make this into a racial discussion but you and I both know that many people will claim he was only elected because hes black. Furthermore, you and I both know many people idolize him for that very same reason, knowing nothing about his political merit. Both of these circumstances are dangerous. I actually need to thank you again for wetting my curiosity even more with this letter to Hitler. How much of the adoration for Hitler was genuine love for the man, and how much of it was forcibly imposed by the Nazi regime? Very interesting. You have given me much to think about.
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@II2aTee (2560)
• United States
2 Oct 09
Off topic point of interest. If you do a Yahoo search for Fr. Ingbert Naab, O.F.M. Cap., the discussion that you made here on MyLot 9 months ago pops up in the top search results. Thought you might get a smile from that!
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
2 Oct 09
X, you wrote, "I am not going to blame the hype and idolitry on Obama himself, though he would do well to begin publicly discouraging it, before it does become part of the american psyche." What would you have President Obama do? He's already frequently made fun of himself regarding "claims" that he's some kind of a "Superman" or even a "messiah". He's often said things like, "This isn't about ME", etc. Annie
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@jb78000 (15173)
2 Oct 09
that is extremely well put tee. of course continue criticising and questioning politicians - essential part of democracy and if you blindly accept everything you are told (whereever it comes from btw) you might as well let that poor lonely braincell of yours have a break. idiotic comparisons however are just that - and as in this case they can be insulting to anyone whose family lived through what the nazis did. incidently (before i get the 'obama supporting foreigner' stuff again) i understand bush was compared to hitler too. that was just as stupid.
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@II2aTee (2560)
• United States
2 Oct 09
I opposed many moves made by President Bush. But I never once compared him to Hitler. Thats just hysteria. I am not saying Obama is the greatest man on earth. He has flaws like any human. But his no Hitler. There will never be anyone like Adolf Hitler, with the exception of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad... and he will have his day of reckoning, just as Hitler did.
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@jb78000 (15173)
2 Oct 09
absolutely. i heaved a sigh of relief when bush went - he did some things that had pretty bad worldwide effects but for goodness sake neither he nor the present one cantrememberhisnamebecauseheisnevermentionedinthissection can be compared to hitler sensibly.
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@34momma (13895)
• United States
2 Oct 09
thank you for such a well written, well thought out post. i think being different is what draws people in and what turns people off. I think our President is so different then those before him, it makes people scared. You are right, you should question, research, and speak out on the issues that are near and dear to you. but for the Love of America, don't just talk to be talking. filling up the air with words and not facts. Don't waste our time and ours.....
@II2aTee (2560)
• United States
2 Oct 09
One MAJOR difference between Hitler and Obama is that we know that Obama will only be president for 4 years, possibly 8 at the most. Hitler would have been in power his entire life had a World Wide War not prevented it. After Obama is done, he will pass the reigns of power to the next President, just as Bush passed them to Obama. No President of the United States will ever be President for life... and therein lies the key difference between any American President and Adolf Hitler.
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
2 Oct 09
Great discussion and VERY well said!! I wish I could give you a "best discussion" or at least a double or triple "plus" for this, II2atee. I think we need to take a step back and put things more into perspective here. Every time I've ever heard of anyone in our government compared to Hitler I've had to wince. That's such a horrible slap in the face to those who survived the Holocaust or to the relatives of survivors or victims of that horrid event. When people talk about Obama's speaking ability being reminiscent of Hitler I'd probably laugh if it weren't so sad. While it wasn't as widespread, probably because we didn't have as many 24/7 news networks or internet sites, I recall similar things being said about Bill Clinton and even Ross Perot. I ws just a kid at the time but I wouldn't be surprised if someone said it had been said about JFK, although that may not be so since the memory of the Holocaust was still rather fresh in people's minds. There's really not much I or anyone else can add because you said it all so well, so I'll just answer your question - NO, there are no rational comparisons between Obama and Hitler or any other American political figure and Hitler! Thank God, living in the country we do, there never will be or if there were he wouldn't get very far! Annie
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Oct 09
Obama + Hitler Male World leaders obscure origins Good speakers Wrote a book Had a white mother Raised as a Christian Ate food Now, rational political comparisons? Not that I'm aware of. I certainly hope not...
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@II2aTee (2560)
• United States
2 Oct 09
LOL... actually, Hitler was a vegetarian, and Obama loves hamburgers... so that one can be refuted. All the others are valid though :p
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@Pose123 (21667)
• Canada
2 Oct 09
Hi Tee, I too am amazed that any sane person would make such a comparison. It is an insult to the good people of America who helped elect him. Obama still has plenty of supporters in America but those who oppose him are allowed to say and write what they like. This was not true of Germany in the time of Adolf Hitler, he was quick to end the freedom of the press. Hitler was considered by most as the most ruthless man of the twentieth century responsible for the deaths of millions. Surely very few people would take such a comparison seriously. Blessings.
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@afarrell1 (261)
• United States
6 Oct 09
while I'm not saying Obama is going to kill over six million people in camps, or that he is stark raving mad. Adolf became a victim of his own hype. I have red Mein Kampf. Admittedly I haven't read all of the Obama saga. But from what I have I can see some similarities in both of the writings about their early life and how unfair it was and how they have threads of self-loating in them. I think when people compare the two it is more the meteoric rise and hero worship that has people raising a flag. Did anyone see the video of the school kids singing his praises (before the election), or the PSA that Demi Moore and Ashton made? kind of creepy there at the end, why would you pledge to serve a man, serve your country. The whole way Hitler came is was by the people, the citizens bought into what he was selling by bashing the previous administration because of WWI and instilling a new sense of national pride. The Nazi's were the National Socialist Party. And any good German was a proud German, so why not join the party? When Hitler came into power the country was in dispare and Adolf gave them hope and the promise of change. Now, does that sound familiar?
• United States
5 Oct 09
Not me.....I think he resembles a Pharoh, and they even praise him as the new Pharoh of Egypt. Check out all the clips from the Egypt visit.
@4ftfingers (1314)
4 Oct 09
The comparison of Obama and Hitler is just a cheap shot made by those who oppose Obama. The truth is politics tends to turn in circles. We elect a party because they are fresh and exciting, we get bored fo them, then we want something new. This gets hightend in hard times such as recession. The electorate are generally more apathetic about who's in power when times are good. But when times are bad, they are much more careful about who they are chosing. So naturally, they will chose the candidate who is making promises of 'change' and to take control, especially if the candidate's particularly charismatic like Obama. I think this will happen in the UK. I expect the next government will be a Conservative one, replacing Gordon Brown's Labour party. And it's not because the Conservative party's David Cameron is anything like Hitler. But he does have more charisma than Gordon Brown, and is making promises of change.