I quite like to play in politics but....

@thea09 (18327)
Greece
November 18, 2009 1:16pm CST
It is such a playground in politics here. Name calling. No central ground. For or against and if you don't agree the inevitable happens. Someone hits the negative button. It primarily houses Americans who show no interest in politics outside the US. Other views are not particularly welcomed or are ignored. Lot's of people don't go in there because of the inevitable name calling and loss of reputation. One only needs to look at the reputation ratings of those who do play in there to see the obvious. My reputation fell because my opinion in there wasn't agreed with. I didn't name call though others did. I didn't become offensive but others did and remarks were removed. Pressing the negative button for a difference of opinion expressed in a non abusive way is clearly against guidelines but it happens every day in there. Despite that I still want to play in politics sometimes. What are your opinions on this? Politicos who enter please keep it nice.
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@Hatley (164450)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Nov 09
hi thea My opinion is that most mylotters seem to hate all democrats and anybody who does like President Obama. well after being a ten for awhile when I was a newbie and being trolled down over night to a five i learned I was not meant to be insulted and ridiculed by mylotters who are republicans 'and hate Obama. so I keep my 8 star and stay the heck out of politics,smoking is bad, and religous discussions altogether. Mylot admins did get the two who stayed up all night to minus me down to a five, but mylot admins only put me back to an 8 so that is okay my percentage has moved from 79 to 84 so maybe I might move up to 9 eventually.I cannot understand why we cannot agree to disagree and still respect each other and not insult each other. the insults are really hurtful.
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@GardenGerty (105303)
• United States
19 Nov 09
Yes, dear Hatley, we can agree to disagree and even like each other, isn't that great. I will not play the games either.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
19 Nov 09
Hi Hatley, I know exactly how your star suffered through going into politics here and that is exactly the point I'm trying to raise, that the childish behaviour which results in these negative ratings should be stopped so that we can all have a chance to discuss these matters. You may not realise it but you did in fact enter a political discussion a couple of weeks ago and made the very valid point that Obama was not responsible for all the problems America faced now but a lot were a legacy of Bush. You were immediately criticised for this perfectly sensible viewpoint and accused of idolising Obama. The rabbit and I did stick our noses in and defend you of course, but yet another example of a perfectly reasonable statement being taken completely out of context.
@ElanaS1 (15)
• United States
18 Nov 09
I do not discuss politics at websites such as this. I see everyone, no matter what their political viewpoint as only human. We all know our own hearts. And we will not sway anyone to our point of view through expressing it. Rather we mainly draw people to disparage us. I don't see bettering our world in such an atmosphere. I quietly work for the causes I support and will continue to do so. In action, I know I am moving forward positively.
@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
19 Nov 09
Hi elena, well that's certainly your choice but I believe discussing politics is part of daily life, it certainly is in my country and goes on all the time. The internet allows for a wider place to discuss them and it is the atmosphere in the politics section here which this discussion is drawing attention to.
@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
18 Nov 09
I'd stand in the center, but I'd have to dodge all the missiles thrown from right to left and vice versa. Of course, ideally we'd all discuss our differences rationally and follow the guidelines and so on. But if this were a perfect world, we wouldn't have terrorism and murders and other nasty things. Some people are just not capable of discussing certain topics without getting emotionally involved. And then if you throw in a remark that puts somebody on the defensive, boom...
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
18 Nov 09
I don't see why it has to be like that though. Some people are capable of discussing any subject rationally without name calling. Some of the issues are so trivial anyway I don't think emotions come into it, it appears to be more oneupmanship.
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@jb78000 (15173)
18 Nov 09
i think most people can have strong opinions or feelings on things and somehow manage to discuss them without having a tantrum if they see something they disagree with.
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
18 Nov 09
A tantrum - love it. Maybe it has to do with the maturity level of some of the people. Also some things do come across harsher than intended and once you've put a person on the defensive all may be lost.
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@jb78000 (15173)
18 Nov 09
i have seen that some of the children in there appear to play nicely when they venture outside and there are adults around. i think you should continue to pop in sometimes thea and simply ignore any that are huffing around because you said something they did not like or went over their heads.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
18 Nov 09
I want to keep popping in there sweetie but my reputation doesn't like coming with me. I realise that most of my points are over their head as may venture a little off the particular bash obama or bush discussion of the day but I like to encourage a wider picture to be seen. I also don't think that people should start two discussions in the same day on the exact same topic just because they made a really prattish error in the first one which would lead to their embarrasment. You venture in there more often than I and they have little respect for your views.
@jb78000 (15173)
18 Nov 09
i know. i go in there less and less and i never bother starting a discussion that i want sensible responses to in there.
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@jb78000 (15173)
18 Nov 09
amendment - expect not want and add sensible responses from the regulars.
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
18 Nov 09
I feel the same way. I really like to talk about politics but, it isn't serious enough to call names and act like a child.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
18 Nov 09
Hi Zeph, why did I guess you'd think like that. You just expressed the most sensible view of anyone in a political discussion but you got jumped over with totally irrelevant material as your response wasn't agendasised enough. Really if you want to play in there you must learn to become more boring and repeat yourself a lot.
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@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
18 Nov 09
Yes, I guess you're right. Or I just need to think that American Conservatives viewpoints are the only ones that matter and to hell with the rest of the world.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
18 Nov 09
I get mixed up over who is on which side Zeph. If you don't agree with one view you're accused of idolising Obama. I'm not on any side of American politics but its the only ones that get a look in. My foray with Greek politics got little attention from America at all.
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@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
18 Nov 09
Most posts by _____ I don't bother to respond to, as they are either badly written or cut-n-pasted from world news daily or both. Who has time to go through and + or - other responses? I mean unless it's a great response, I leave em all alone. I would only abuse you if you asked me nicely first.
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@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
18 Nov 09
religion is another area of foul name calling
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
18 Nov 09
I never ever step into religion knowingly Jodi, it's far worse than politics. The god squad are completely intolerant of different opinons. Trying to persuade the less use of links tactic in politics but it's hard for some of them to break away from it as they can't actually have original thoughts. But they certainly have time to hit buttons.
• Australia
18 Nov 09
I respond to a lot of discussions in religion and I have only ever had one bad comment: "Idiot! Get an education!" which of course, came from an atheist. I ignored it. I believe that when we discuss (debate) using respect and courtesy ourselves, we do not usually receive responses that are abusive.
• Australia
18 Nov 09
I do not look for discussions in the politics interest, mainly because most discussions there are about American politics. I am not American and feel incompetent to comment, but I do believe that what happens in America affects the rest of the world, so I do try to follow key issues. I have long admired the patriotic feelings of Americans and have wished that more Aussies were as patriotic, but the downside of that is what we see - real dogfights, name calling and mud throwing. Maybe a new interest group? Politics with respect? Or something like that? But then again, you cannot exclude the troublemakers. Maybe another solution: eliminate the stars and ratings, thus removing the toys from the immature responders.
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• Australia
18 Nov 09
Or maybe instead of removing the ratings, introduce having to supply a REASON for a negative rating (as with the !)
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
18 Nov 09
Thank you for admiring us patriotic Americans. I will never apologize for defending the Constitution. I realize my government is NOT my country and feel free to bash any politician or policy that does not honor the Constitution. Why the big deal about the Costitution? It had made America strong and it made Americans free for a long time. I'm not going into my fourth of July speech here, but I am really sick of the American people being viewed as they are around the world because our politicians are abusive and traitorist.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
18 Nov 09
Hi cloudwatcher (and debs of course - can we bypass the constitution here please sweetie), politics with respect sounds good but somehow just doesn't seem to work here. Politics is awash with dogfights and I presume some cleanup is done each day to obliterate and remove most of the insults so the next day it all reads in a rather bizarre fashion. I do believe that some of the political posters are actually hiding behind false profiles and are actually school boys and I know a few of us have believed this for quite a while. It can be the only rationale behind their behaviour I believe. Greece too is a very patriotic country with a very proud history and a very active political following whereas in the US now and the UK there is a great deal of apathy regarding elections and such which is not suprising when people get so disillusioned with their representatives. I don't think because we are not American though we aren't qualified to comment when the news from there figures so largely on the world stage and they look for our support in various issues. They should appreciate comments from the allies they expect support from on the world stage and that doesn't just mean our political representatives but the citizens of those countries too.
@ANTIQUELADY (36488)
• United States
18 Nov 09
Politics is not something i discuss much. I hate all the negativity that goes along w/the political discussions. I think they are all crooked as a barrel of snakes.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
19 Nov 09
good morning Aunty, the sooner more people realised that is exactly what most politicians are the sooner they would stop taking ridiculous stances defending one side against the other and find a common middle ground. And pigs might fly of course. But I'd appreciate the right to make that point here in the political section without being ignored or rated down. That is a reasonable request I believe.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36488)
• United States
19 Nov 09
It is a very reasonable request, Thea but some people just have to show their ignorance. I hate any kind of fanatic where they can't see that everybody has a opinion & respect it no matter what the subject whether it agrees w/your or whatever. It's not right that they rated u down of course.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
19 Nov 09
Well I've been put off for good today I'd say Aunty and this obviously made no difference. I exited the discussion which had turned into a name calling fight by saying I was not staying as I had been neg rated within the discussion. On coming across another alert from it I came across the most vitriolic post directed at myself that I have ever seen by someone obviously posting from behind bars somewhere as they advocate all kinds of violence. It's just not worth responding to such rubbish so once again I exit with a drop in reputation. However whilst the system allows such things and at most will probably delete the offensive paragraphs I shall try to work out someway to persuade admin to look at suspending such members.
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@cynthiann (18619)
• Jamaica
18 Nov 09
I was teethed on politics and grew up with a strong social conscience. My mother campaigned in the U.K at the age of 86. Out here I have also been vocal but I know the limitations of debating political issues. I could never start a political discussion about my adopted country as the few citizens of such who are on Mylot would probably press the negative button on each and every post I made. They would consider anything negative in print treasonable. You have to remember that the USA is a very big place and each state - basically - has its own culture and inside politics and there is nothing wrong with that. However, many people just get heated if they think that their country is being criticised. They just think that if you are not a citizen then you should not say anything. Just the same as the Jamaicans on Mylot. That's all I can suggest. pressing the button just because you do not agree with someone is childish and very immature. It is just not like Europe where we know much of each other's countries, languages and politics. We are also tolerant about differences too. Personally, I have not had that experience and I am sorry that you have. My US friends are great.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
18 Nov 09
Hi cynthiann, I like my many American friends here too, some of them even lurk around in politics, but the politics section here is open to all and sometimes it needs a bit of a reality check and common sense injecting as the issues which are debated won't stand the test of history. There is a blinkered minority in there though who do know nothing of world events beyond their own shores whereas Europeans seem better educated in that regard and even have views on other countries other than our own. I do believe we should be able to give them without name calling and negative pressing. I do know nothing at all about Jamaican politics and won't ask you to discuss them if it is a dangerous arena, which I really had no idea it could be. I take it that you aren't using the word treasonable lightly. Just the other day I posted one thing I'd seen about an American posting that he had no wish to converse with foreigners, it went on to say that we only speak drivel. I highlighted that this obviously does not apply to all Americans but sure enough it was misunderstood and I was then accused of making rascist remarks by a poster on this thread. Incidentally the tantrums of yesterday weren't directed at me but I find them so tiresome to the point of distraction of the issue.
@cynthiann (18619)
• Jamaica
18 Nov 09
I've always felt that island people reach out more to other countries. I could be wrong but this is my opinion. I stay away from USA politics as it is very emotional and living where i do, I understand that. I'm still possibly naive enough to believe that if people form different nations and cultures - poole like us - ordinary people - can talk and exchange ideas n politics or any other subject then we come closer to world peace. Yes, I can be idealistic at times as there never has been peace in the world. But at least let us try to understand each other better. I was paranoid when my beautiful young daughter went to work in North Carolina and also to study for her Master's Degree. I was terrified that she would face racism as she is bi racial. I would have preferred her to work in another part of the USA that was multi cultural. Her eldest brother and I met in NC to see how she was doing after her being there for a few months.(He came fro the U.K.) I also wanted to see where she was living. I went with my prejudices of North Carolina, and guess what? She had not and did not receive any racism at all. She went to love NC and NC returned that love to her a hundred fold. The community accepted and loved her and she loved them back. She would love to work there again one day and hr school want her back. Now the reason I told you all this was to explain an important point but for the life of me, I cannot really remember what it was! Possibly not to hang on to our prejudices (me) and be open to change etc. That is all I can come up with right now. I have to leave now and go to my part time job. I'm now wondering if it all makes sense - me, I mean- Blessings
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
19 Nov 09
@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
24 Nov 09
I love politics, mostly for the spirited debate. It's also where I get the bulk of my news. However, when I disagree, I do so with words, never actions. I don't think I've even hit the '-' button in a year, not even if someone is being "abusive". That just makes the game more interesting for me.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
24 Nov 09
Hi Latrivia, that's the point though, it should be open to everyone for spirited debate but it isn't, at some points the extremists jump in with their never ending links and sources and no real opinions of their own, and turn the whole thing into an insulting match. It's pretty obvious when one receives a neg hit where it has occured. I just think some of it gets too hijacked by those who become personally abusive when they see an original thought expressed. Also there's a separate interest for religion but some of them bring in their god squad views into politics too and start pontificating against the the opposite view by throwing their religion into it. If I wanted to get involved with that which I don't, as find it the same old stuff I've heard all my life, I'd be debating in the religious interest. I am frankly appaled at the way some of these extremist Christians carry on and obviously appear to have not a clue on the original point of their own religion. I thought good Christians were meant to turn the other cheek. I'm wondering what to do with a comment I came across yesterday on the Christian extremist view of atheists but just can't face the abuse that such a discussion would bring down. Let me know if you'd like it, it is a total classic.
@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
24 Nov 09
It depends on the quality of the discussion. I'm searching for it now in the religion and atheist sections. Have you responded to the thread yet?
@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
24 Nov 09
Ah, it isn't a discussion, it's a quote from one of the extremists on the right which I think you'd rather enjoy turning into a discussion. I'll send you a F/R and pm it to you if you're interested but I'm sure you will be. I've seen you in politics and know you'd be able to handle yourself on this one.
• United States
19 Nov 09
Unfortunately I am not always up to par about politics here in the states, so I would inevitably say the wrong thing..lol. Therefore I choose to stay away from those discussion groups. With that said, it is sad that we can't state our convictions without someone attacking you. It is the same in the Religion, Christian, or believer discussions. Those who don't agree with you, throw unwelcoming attacks to let you know that youre opinion is rather stupid or wrong. People like that I stay away from, they're not worth my time and the couple of cents that I earn by participating.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
19 Nov 09
Hi Sweetchariot, I agree with you on the religious sections but never go in there at all as the negative button hitting goes into extreme swing there or someone comes along trying to convert someone. With politics though why should you have to worry about saying the wrong thing, politics is an everyday issue and as we all have the freedom to vote we all have the right to express an opinion, and an opinion given without masses of dodgy research from dubious sources is far more valid than one gleamed from sources, in my opinion. Those who throw around their sources and quote others to back up their point are only doing one thing, looking for someone else to back up their view which is thus not an original point in the first place. As I say we should all be able to go in there with a view or to question and not be lambasted by name calling.
• United States
19 Nov 09
Yup, it is wrong that there are those who seem to enjoy attacking others of a different view...unfortunately, there are those "immature" (there we go again with that word..lol) posters who can't have a mature(oh-oh) discussion. But that is what the world is made up of...and we can't change those people. So, we either boycott those discussion rooms, or be prepared to be lambasted. I would think it would all depend on how personal and sensitve we chose to be towards these attacks.
@Sandra1952 (6052)
• Spain
19 Nov 09
Hello, Thea. Surely you realise by now that you don't qualify or politics? You don't throw your rattle out of the pram, and that seems to be a requirement over there. You're not supposed to debate with the discussion leaders, you're supposed to agree. If you can't play nicely in politics, you'll just have to go to the naughty corner - or the big breakfast discussion. You won't get disagreement there, just uncontrolled drooling from the little boys.
@zandi458 (27952)
• Malaysia
19 Nov 09
I have had that bad experiences when I responded to political topics and I was being called names when I was only giving my views. They suddenly turn sensitive when I participated in their internal politics and point fingers saying that as an outsider I should not get involved in their home affairs. But politics is something that involves people and people are politics and it doesn't mean that we share the same political views. Though politics can create tension when debating but it should never create a permanent enemies here and unacceptable views of others should not push anyone to rate that person negative. It is an opinion asked and we should be ready to listen and accept what ever is given in a response. Politics is a dirty game and I wonder how much is too much when discussing politics here.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
19 Nov 09
Hi Zandi, sorry to hear you've had the experience too, it is what stops many sensible people posting in there as the unruly have made it their own playground. I actually thought that something like this discssion would make a change in attitudes a little but it has simply made it much worse in there. The vitriol poured on me now by one poster who I've never even spoken to yet again puts me off that section. To have one opinion which someone reads and does not agree with which is a natural thing in most areas, to be turned into a rant that makes me out as closed minded to all foreigners and insulting to billions is just so ludicrious it does not warrant a reply. I think that those who know me know that my interest in foreign cultures is a fact. However I now think that to have such remarks deleted as they inevitably will be, the discussion I refer to is littered with people speaking to themselves as the offensive remarks between each post has been removed, is not enough. I think such vicious behaviour should be dealt with by suspensions.
• United States
19 Nov 09
that seems to be par for the course on any forum. i used to moderate a few boards,and without exception,the worst fights always started from either politics or religion.always.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
19 Nov 09
Hi scarlet_woman, but that is my point, the fighting in politics should be stopped somehow so that reasonable debate can be open to all without it being an exclusive zone of the name callers. Maybe those who resort to a lot of on line name calling should have a few days suspsension or something.
@Louc74 (620)
19 Nov 09
Hi Thea. I totally agree, although it doesn't put me off - if someone rates me negatively because they disagree with my opinion, all it means is that they're a small minded, insecure moron. I've disagreed with others opinions in discussions about politics and religion, hoping for them to come back and express their point of view, and either been ignored, or given the same statement they made the first time around, no rebuff, no new info, just the same rehearsed comments over and over again. Like if you tell an untruth often enough, it makes it fact! Lol! And I think they're missing out with you, to be honest. When you respond to my discussions, you always bring something new to the table, and quite often make me think twice, which is always a good thing! Differences of opinion can be a learning experience, so to hell with them if they want to cut themselves off from new information. I think people who rate negatively too often in one particular conversation type should have their ability to rate removed temporarily, and if this happens say, 3 times, its removed permanently - it shouldn't be open to abuse.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
19 Nov 09
Hi Lou, thanks for the bit in the middle there which just emphasises my point that a new angle rather than one or other party line is what I think we should be able to bring to politics. People with hard fast views who look for every source to back up their point show no originality of thought. Nail on the head Lou about the same point being reiteraterated over and over. I've actually tried that method in there myself when a question goes ignored as they can't fine the source to answer on their behalf and daren't express an opinion that hasn't been put into print in case it misses the party line. Remember Paxman and the same question he put on Newsnight 27 times, probably before your time but an excellent method as a question but not as a response. The negative rating thing really gets on my nerves and along with lots of people it does put me off entering the session. But I want to report a discussion in politics where I know it happened the other day but feel that such a report will just be ignored. Maybe I'll do it after another coffee.
@sid556 (31003)
• United States
19 Nov 09
It is interesting in there, I agree. It is also brutal. Every now and again I get brave and venture in but I don't usually stick around long.
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@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
19 Nov 09
Hi Sid, you are another then re-iterating my point, you have to feel brave to venture in there in the first place but the antics in the playground put you off. It is monopolised by a few who are childish with remarks and negative buttons and thus put off the many.
@GardenGerty (105303)
• United States
19 Nov 09
I feel like they play both rough and dirty and I have no desire whatever to play in politics there.
@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
19 Nov 09
Hi Gerty, which is exactly my point, a stop should be put to it so that the area is open to everyone and not just those who now monopolise it and keep everyone else out with the playground antics.
@paula27661 (15899)
• Australia
20 Nov 09
I don’t dare to enter the political arena because I’m afraid, I’m very afraid! (LOL) I don’t know a great deal about politics let alone US affairs because I’m from Australia. I have opinions, sure but not enough knowledge to stand my ground. I don’t have any desire to argue with people and in regards to politics it is inevitable so I will stay out of it because it gets too nasty over there and to push those negative buttons just because of differing views is sad really...Not for me!
@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
20 Nov 09
Hi paula, you are very wise to stay out of there as no matter how rational you expect people to be in there there is always someone who comes along screaming like an extremist harpy. There's also a tendency of some who just ignore a response which challenges the brain and to stick with the source brigade who prop themselves up with links. I hate confrontation myself which is why yet again today I vowed to stay out of there as it is dominated by people I really don't want to exchange views with, only to be negged by them. But never think that the reason you can't enter there is because you don't know enough. They only know what they read in their dubious sources and there is zero originality. If you ever want to raise anything in the political line in safety come and post it here in pe and I'll get the bunny to frighten them away.
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@paula27661 (15899)
• Australia
21 Nov 09
Excellent! Love that bunny, thea! I will be back...
@thea09 (18327)
• Greece
21 Nov 09
Always welcome paula.
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