Glenn Beck's "Medical Experts" Against Health Care Reform...

@anniepa (27236)
United States
November 27, 2009 2:10pm CST
On several different occasions while channel surfing I have stopped on Glenn Beck's show on Fox News when he's had a group of doctors as his guests talking down health care reform, at least any form of it that's been proposed by Congress. These doctors are part of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, which you may read about here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons Here is the group's website: http://www.aapsonline.org/ Their name may sound innocent enough and the labcoats may LOOK ordinary enough but the AAPS isn't exactly what you'd call a mainstream medical group. Below is an excerpt from an article you can read here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/11/tea-party-doctors-american-association-physicians-surgeons The AAPS statement of principles declares that it is "evil" and "immoral" for physicians to participate in Medicare and Medicaid, and its journal is a repository for quackery. Its website features claims that tobacco taxes harm public health and electronic medical records are a form of "data control" like that employed by the East German secret police. An article on the AAPS website speculated that Barack Obama may have won the presidency by hypnotizing voters, especially cohorts known to be susceptible to "neurolinguistic programming"—that is, according to the writer, young people, educated people, and possibly Jews. (End of excerpt) Any thoughts? Annie
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• United States
27 Nov 09
Hi, Annie! It really hurts to witness the proliferation of hate speech and discrimination posing as truth these days. Am I really expected to be especially vulnerable because I am both Jewish and well educated? Anyone who thinks so is absolutely wrong! I see a number of doctors due to poor health, and not one of them is against health care reform. Those who have commented on computerized medical records expect it to do wonders for improving treatment, as everything they need will be readily available. None believe it is a way to gain control in any way that could be considered Communism or any form of dictatorship. They are educated men and women. Maybe that's supposed to make them dupes of some sort, but I honestly can't see how...
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@jb78000 (15173)
30 Nov 09
life expectency overall is lower in the usa than many countries that provide healthcare for citizens. would need to check where the us falls but it is a long way from the top.
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• United States
30 Nov 09
I just came from a doctor who told me we're very, very far from the best! He thought it was in the upper teens or lower twenties among the nations of the world.
@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
30 Nov 09
Well maybe this is why Beck has so many viewers, because people want a really good laugh!
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@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
30 Nov 09
If you really want a good laugh look at the phony doctors working for Obama who speak out in favor of the health care bill. Now they are a riot.
@ZephyrSun (7385)
• United States
30 Nov 09
I happen to support some health care reform. Health insurance as an industry is the only industry that can extort lots of money and most times offer very little for their services legally.
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@Koriana (302)
• United States
29 Nov 09
this is really ironic, since I believe it was on his show, with this group of doctors that I heard them say that around 50% of their revenue comes from medicaid/medicare....... but, participating in these programs is evil and immoral...okay.... but, tell what I think is "evil" and "immoral" taking money from these programs (paid for by the taxpayers), then turning around and refusing one of those taxpayers treatment because they lack insurance and they are afraid they won't get paid!! it's the taxpayers that are paying them half their salary!
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@Rollo1 (16689)
• Boston, Massachusetts
27 Nov 09
These guys are really out of the mainstream. Just look at their stance on medical ethics. "THE PRINCIPLES OF MEDICAL ETHICS OF THE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS PREAMBLE: Being aware that a physician's religious and moral principles are the source of his ethical behavior, this Association adopts the following statement of principles of professional conduct. The principal objective of the ethical physician in his practice is to treat human illness while maintaining the highest respect for the dignity of his patient. (1) The physician's first professional obligation is to his patient, then to his profession. His ethical obligation to his community is the same as that of any other citizen. (2) The physician should conduct himself at all times with dignity, integrity, honesty and diligence in the practice of his profession so that he will engender the confidence of his patients and respect of his colleagues. (3) The physician should not condone the taking of human life in the practice of his profession, but at all times respect the sanctity of human life and seek to preserve or improve the quality of life. (4) The physician should not dispose of his services under terms or conditions which tend to interfere with or impair the free and complete exercise of his medical judgment and skill or tend to cause a deterioration of the quality of medical care. (5) The physician may choose whom he will treat, but having undertaken the care of a patient, he should not discontinue his care without adequate notice. (6) The physician should limit the source of his professional income to medical services actually rendered by him, or under his supervision, to his patients. He should neither pay nor receive a commission for referral of patients. The value of professional services should be determined only by mutual agreement between the physician and patient, and in no other way. (7) The physician should personally counsel another practitioner who behaves incompetently or unethically and report persistence of that conduct to the proper authority. (8) The physician should seek advice and consultation with ethical colleagues whenever the quality of medical care may be enhanced or whenever consultation is requested by the patient. (9) The special importance of the patient's privacy in medical matters requires that the physician never reveal either the confidence entrusted to him in the course of medical attendance, or deficiencies he may observe in the character of the patient, releasing information only with the consent of the patient and with due consideration of the mandates of law. (10) The physician should constantly seek factual and reliable information that will assist him in the treatment of illness. (11) The physician should not solicit patients. Professional reputation is the major source of patient referral. The physician should be circumspect and restrained in dealing with the communication media, always avoiding self-aggrandizement. I don't know how anyone can read through that and not see these guys are wacko... Put the patient first? Keep patient privacy? No kickbacks on referrals? They want doctors to practice with honesty and dignity?? What are these guys thinking?????? Now for the claim that they say it is evil and immoral to participate in Medicare. Let me give you some actual quotes from their website to help clarify their position. "[Contrary to section 1801* of the Medicare law (Public Law 89-97, 1965), recent legislation forces physicians to perform acts that were formerly voluntary, if they wish to treat Medicare recipients. Given the reality of governmental compulsion, physicians protest duress per minus. " "Although we may be forced to obey any specific legal edict, as moral and ethical individuals we cannot, in good conscience, be a party to any voluntary act that violates our moral and ethical beliefs. " "It is our belief that anything that is morally right is ethical. It is further our belief THAT ANY MEASURES THAT TEND TO LOWER THE STANDARDS OF MEDICAL CARE ARE EVIL and anything that is evil is unethical and immoral. Experience in every area of the world where it has been tried has demonstrated that governmental assumption of the responsibility for medical care (socialized medicine) for the general population (as opposed to members of the armed forces and former members with service-connected disabilities, to whom there is an extraordinary and recognizable obligation) has resulted in deterioration of the quality of medical care thus creating an effect opposite to the alleged and stated intent of the amendments. Thus the effect of the law is evil and participation in carrying out its provisions is, in our opinion, immoral. " The act of non-participation is a protest against the strictures and deteriorating standards under government run Medicare. Seriously... Mother Jones?
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@jb78000 (15173)
27 Nov 09
uh oh. konspiracy burbles can be funny but not when they become nasty. or dangerous.
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@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
28 Nov 09
The better question is, "Are they using phony doctors like Barney Frank and Sheila Jackson have at their town halls?" It's not really a matter of whether the doctors are conservative or liberal, it's whether we're actually hearing honest opinions from REAL doctors. Apparently the left is having a tough time with that so they are hiring actors to pose as doctors. I wonder why fake doctors weighing in don't concern you nearly as much as real doctors who disagree with you.
@matersfish (6311)
• United States
27 Nov 09
I read the title on "Politics" and said, "That has to be anniepa's post."
@jb78000 (15173)
27 Nov 09
did you make a bet with yourself?
@irishidid (8563)
• United States
28 Nov 09
The lab coats were intentional to make fun of Obama handing out lab coats during his speech with the physicians. Obama and those doctors should have been called out for their dishonesty and Beck did just that.