People find it difficult to believe that the universe came from nothing, but not

Canada
December 15, 2009 7:21am CST
Many people find it dificult to believe that the universe came from nothing. But these same people have no difficulty in believing that God created the universe out of nothing. It is surprising, in either case, directly or indirectly, the universe came from nothing. From what did God create universe? Of course, from nothing. But why involve God at all? I find it reasonable to believe that universe came from nothing and no God at all.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
15 Dec 09
Actually, more to the point, where did God come from? If the answer is that he's always been, then why can't that be held true of the universe? The answer is, is can. No one can hold the position that a god has always been, while saying the same can't be said of the universe, without either intentionally lying or unintentionally created a logical fallacy. I wouldn't say the universe came from nothing. It's quite possible it's always been here, though the state in which it exists varies.
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@1hopefulman (45123)
• Canada
15 Dec 09
We know for a fact that the universe has not always existed just like we know that life on earth has not always existed. The universe had a beginning.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
15 Dec 09
No, we know for a fact the universe as we know it hasn't always existed. Scientists are currently entertaining the idea that the big bang is cyclic - meaning it happens, the universe expands, it contracts, then it expands again. It is very possible that this cycle is endless.
16 Dec 09
The big bang theory is not a FACT. Scientists avoid using the term fact when they're not sure. The universe and god are both theories, 1 made by highly intelligent scientists over hundreds of years of experimentation, research and endless thought and the other is made by passing on stories by old men who have not thought about it at all but believe because they fear the unknown and well superstitious people were easy to manipulate... it was how people gained support and power.
@Galena (9110)
15 Dec 09
I don't think the universe did come from nothing. matter cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes form. so I don't think there has ever been a time when there was nothing, because something cannot come out of nothing. so the logical thought is that existance has no end, and likewise cannot have ever had a beginning.
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@Galena (9110)
16 Dec 09
you see, you use the term "human logic" but this is all of existance. it's much much bigger than us, and beyond our understanding. we are too small to know the whole universe. so why assume that the universe fits in "human logic" we can't contain it in our logic. if you beleive that God is the beginning, one of many different possibilities, any of which could be true or false, then what was before God? is deity self creating? if so how does it have the awareness to create itself without already existing? if there is a beginning of existance, then something comes out of nothing, and this seems much harder to beleive to me than the idea that things just always have been, and that things happen, and things change, but they come from something else, rather than nothing.
• Mexico
16 Dec 09
Hi Galena: I partially agree with you. I agree when you say that we couldn't come from "nothing" because something cannot come out of nothing. But my conclution is not that the universe has no beginning because that's not rational for me. Human logics says that everything has a beginning and that complexes things comes froms simple things. Where we arrive to the first sign of life there must be something that has create this, the beginning point: God. Thanks for your answer. Have a nice day. -Alvaro.
@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
15 Dec 09
I have to say that I prsonally believe the universe has always existed and always will even long after we are gone....I find it extremely hard to believe that there was absolutely NOTHIGN then POOF a universe appeared..and I find it even MORE hard to believe that there was some ultimate power who just hung around in absolute nothingness, got bored one day and decided to create a universe to play with...its silly to think that IMO....Existence has ALWAYS IMO existed to one degree or another as far as I'm concerned
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@Harley009 (1416)
• India
17 Dec 09
Who made the universe so accurate and many objects circulating in it's own path. ? Who made humans and animals, and vegetation for them? Who invented rain? Who created our complicated eye? Who created the cell, chromosomes, genes and its programming? Science teach that Matter can neither be created nor be destroyed. Energy can neither be created nor be destroyed. What do you think how universe came into existence? Peace.
@Harley009 (1416)
• India
17 Dec 09
You are wrong with the science buddy, Science says a particular age for the earth and the universe, if it was always existed, why should the age matter? So science does not comes into a conclusion that it always existed.
@cannibal (650)
• India
17 Dec 09
That age is for the current physical form of the earth and the universe. Before the so-called beginning, it existed in some other form or dimension, going by the law of conservation. This process of changing forms is cyclic. The reason I pointed out the Quranic verse was that your claims were mutually contradictory; (Creation by God and conservation) and perhaps you didn't notice that.
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@cannibal (650)
• India
17 Dec 09
You're apparently not following your Quran well. It clearly says that Allah simply said 'Be' and the universe poofed out of absolute nothing. (which I believe isn't really the case) Since matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed it stands that they're self-existent and eternal (of course they change forms) and hence no external agency (Your God) is required. And who invented God? (Regardless of what the scriptures say)
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@Vaddiba (190)
16 Dec 09
The universe has always existed in one form or another. There has never been a beginning and there will never been an end. The mind of some cultures incorrectly believe that there has to be a beginning. Such a view is in error. If you vaporized everything in the universe, reality would still exist in an invisible form. There never was a beginning. Many human beings find such an idea very difficult to grasp.
• Canada
16 Dec 09
Where the universe came from, evening if we take it came from nothing, is a really hard concept for our limited brains to wrap itself around. I don't know if it came from a god. It is a mystery and probablly will be always, as to how the origin actually was. Maybe a giant purple furby farted and we all came into existence, and our creating furbies was a subconcious indicator of our inate sense that they created the universe.
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@livewyre (2450)
18 Dec 09
What people believe God created the universe from nothing?? If that's supposed to be your take on Creationism, I think you may have assumed too much. Christian creationists believe that God commanded the creation ie. 'Let there be light'. Physics teaches us that there is no creation or cessation of matter and energy, they just change into something else. I find it easier that God commanded unknown energy to become light and earth, rocks and plant matter, than the alternative. The alternative is that some actually non-existent matter transformed itself into identifiable matter for no apparent reason.. If we assume for a second that there is a God, then we have already accepted that some external energy exists. If not, then there is no possible explanation for how an absolutely phenomenal amount of energy and matter was transformed into the universe - how do you account for that? There is no way that you can create a crumb from nothing - let alone a whole universe, even if you believe in the big bang - that doesn't mean you can just discount a pre-existent energy. Even the smallest bang you can think of requires matter and energy - what was the energy that casued the big bang - whatever it was, it surely must be an energy larger than the universe itself??
• United States
21 Dec 09
Since I was brought up in the church, it's hard for me to look at creation as anything but from God. I will admit, however, that I can see how this could be a difficult subject for those who don't have any religious background. As far as I'm concerned, God has always existed. I don't have any idea how that is possible. I accept it by faith. Everything else that I know about has a beginning and either has or will eventually have an end. I see all of creation as being too complex to have just happened. I don't see how creation could have happened without an intelligent designer. I also don't believe that science will ever come up with a definite answer to this question because they're looking for the answer away from God instead of looking to God.
@redhotpogo (4401)
• United States
17 Dec 09
That is aome amazing faith , and a miracle that no religion can copy. Something cominmg out of nothing for no reason at all.
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
18 Dec 09
You know, the universe does not have to come from nothing, that's much more of a religious direction of it. New ideas keep on branching out towards other possibilities. One of the most accepted, nowadays, is that the universe came from 2 separate fields of energy colliding into one, making the big bang in the universe as we see it today. This means that there could be a countless number of possibilities to where that came from, and chances are, that when it gets to the beginning of everything, no matter what it is, it'll make perfect sense. Don't just equate it to God or to nothing and stop asking questions. Asking questions is what got us to the technology of today, and if we keep it up, then we'll keep on learning more and more.
@mkings (289)
• Germany
15 Dec 09
If the was no God then why talk about Him.Something must have exist before we can talk about it.God created it so you may ask Him and He will tell you how He did it.
@Galena (9110)
16 Dec 09
so Cthulhu is real? the smurfs are real? cinderella actually existed? how wonderful that everything ever talked about or written about is real. and also how terrifying.
@dens61 (130)
• Philippines
17 Dec 09
Yes God created the universe, and for that matter, man, from nothing. God can do that- creating something from nothing, because He is Almighty and God can do whatever He wants to do. Yes God created the universe from NOTHING. And if one doesn't believe in that, and that there's no God at all who created the universe, then it will also be reasonable to say that your house was not built by anyone or that it just came to be built by noone.
@Galena (9110)
17 Dec 09
that really isn't the same logic at all. how you can think that your house being built by someone proves Christianity is just beyond me.
• Philippines
15 Dec 09
In mere people perceptions, it's really hard to believe that the universe came from nothing, and even more there is a GOD who made it from nothing. If we look at it and judge it according to the level and capacity of our mind, surely we can say, it's impossible. But i think, we believe it or not, we accept it or not, surely i can say that GOD exist and that he did the universe from nothing. We can't rely on man's knowledge (science) in 100%, because we know it will change through time. For example, before people believe that the earth is flat, then here came Magellan who courageously traveled around the globe, even though he was killed in Philippines but some of his fleet was able to go back to their country. And that prove to mankind that the earth is round. But we all know that it is already proven in the Bible that the earth is round even before Christ. When did the people discover that there are no stars at north side when we look to the universe, it's already after Christ, but then again the Bible prove it already before Christ. Lot's of things that the knowledge of man has just lately prove or discover of something, but it's already proven in the Bible (or have to say GOD prove it already through the Bible). And now we would question the reliability of Bible than the discovery, knowledge and skills of man? For me, GOD has no beginning, and then he made the universe and all the things from NOTHING.
@Galena (9110)
16 Dec 09
but then if the amazing things that exist prove your God, then they are equally proof of mine. so if stars prove that God exists, all religions must be right.
@mindrich (183)
• Philippines
16 Dec 09
Very well explained biznesminded, I totally agree with you that God is the creator of the universe. God's existence can be proved through his amazing creations like the stars, planets, and even our own life. If those people don't believe in God, then who can they pinpoint responsible for that awesome creations.
• United States
15 Dec 09
The way that I see our universe coming into existence is almost exactly how the big bang is described. Two massive masses traveling towards each other collide, explode, and send matter flying off in all directions. But the problem with this, is that it assumes there is nothing here for these masses to be moving through. So if we are using our imaginations as well as some scientific information, I think it is fair to say that these two masses could have fallen out of a higher dimension. Modern Physics has a variety of theories regarding higher dimensions, but their existence is widely accepted.
@ClassyCat (1214)
• United States
16 Dec 09
I just believe what 'the book' says: John 1:1-3 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
16 Dec 09
If there was no God to create the universe, who or what created it? What was the spark that started the creation process? Nothing begets nothing without God.
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
16 Dec 09
Here here, my brother! If there is no proof or evidence of there being a God, then why throw it into the calculations?
@maezee (41997)
• United States
15 Dec 09
I know what you mean! In my opinion, both sides are difficult to believe in. And yes, even on the "scientific" end of things, there is STILL an element of faith that comes into play. You have to BELIEVE in the science. And science, and biology, are pretty miraculous and crazy to believe in themselves (if you ask me). I try not to generally concern myself with "existential" questions like this.. Because you can get so wrapped up in the not knowing! And the problem is is that everyone has an opinion, but no one KNOWS for sure one way or another. But either way, with whatever "side" you choose (because with this question/debate..People most definitely USUALLY take SIDES), it still requires a BELIEF in it. So I agree. Good point.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
16 Dec 09
One could actually reason that until, of course, one does bump into God. Makes things look a lot different. I never knew frederick42 existed, them bam! There you came out of nothing.Kinda changes things Huh???
• Mexico
16 Dec 09
Hi Frederick: i respect your opinion but at leas you must admit that buth theories are rational, but i thionk that the beleive of a God that creates the world and that doesn't need to be created because he's All makes me feel better that the idea of being created of nothing. Thanks for opening this discussion. I'm sure a lot of people would comment what they think about this issue. Have a nice day. -Alvaro.
• United States
15 Dec 09
eehhh, Stuff like this is really sensitive to talk about, especially when you bring God into it. I myself am a believer in God, and I do believe that the universe was created out of nothing. BUT I believe that GOD was that creator. And I find it more sensible to believe that the universe was created by SOMEONE verse NO ONE. And I believe that that someone is God.