further and further to the right...

@jb78000 (15178)
January 11, 2010 6:45pm CST
...who else is very slightly scared that a traditionally for want of a better word right wing country has a large number of citizens who think their fairly capitalist government is socialist? we all know what happened (several times actually, but i'll stick to the famous) when hatred against convenient victims (oddly fairly similar) last. it seems to be happening in america now, and being tried in europe and to be honest it is dangerous. i am keeping this fairly simple but when you deride somebody as being 'anti american, a communist, a socialist, a fascist, islamic, hispanic stealing our jobs' do you actually know what these words mean - and do you know what stirring up blind hatred towards groups of people leads to?
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@Hatley (157332)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Jan 10
hi jb blue bunny yes I know what stirring up hatred towards' groups of people does, right here in mylot I got some really nasty, vile comments when I innocently remarked I was a democrat and had voted for Obama. while mylot admins says we are to respect one anothers viewpoints, these people did not respect mine while I did respect their's, I did not condemn them for being of an opposite party, we are all Americans, I thought , but ugly words and spite, lead people to ugly wars. to the slaying of thousands of Jews only because they were jews, and well to lots of wars. This of course is my own opinion not everyone will agree but hope nobody minuses me for saying what I feel.
@jb78000 (15178)
12 Jan 10
boxing happens very easily. and it is one of the saddest things we experience that people can hurt or kill each other when pushed. i think you must be wise enough by now to not group people into little boxes that you like or dislike, and since i am a rabbit i am slightly different from everybody else here. possibly i need to go back to a certain mylot Nice Young Man and calm him down. if i can be bothered.
@dawnald (84126)
• Shingle Springs, California
12 Jan 10
Nazi Germany? Do I pass?
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@jb78000 (15178)
12 Jan 10
i tend to go for subtle as a sledgehammer. yep. have a quick look at how the average person in germany was feeling at that point, plus convenient scapegoats, nasty manipulators, idiots with a need for identity, all the rest. asking for something nasty to happen. it does not take that much to set the ball rolling again, sorry.
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@Jaytech (2251)
12 Jan 10
Yet the Nazi's were extreme left wing, so doesn't fit into the question
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@Taskr36 (13928)
• United States
12 Jan 10
Nazis blamed and went after the same unpopular minority targeted and attacked by the left, the wealthy. They also put out enemies lists like those released by Obama targeting supporters of Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin. Oh, and they asked citizens to report those that spoke ill of their leader, kind of like telling people to forward such information to flag@whitehouse.gov
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
12 Jan 10
Unfortunately, people know what they are, but don't have the ability to see that what we have...isn't. It takes very little to turn some people into putty in the hands of the wrong people. Too many echo what they hear the loudest without thinking about what they are actually hearing. A pity that everyone in the world isn't a myLotter. Maybe if tv's were turned off, people would listen to those who really have something worthwhile to say...us.
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@jb78000 (15178)
12 Jan 10
i think most people tend to be nice, however we are i have to say pack animals and can be led by rather nasty ideas if they touch a chord. the main one of course is 'us' and 'them'. one nasty wolf leading the pack,and ahem. 'them' are barbecue.
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@matersfish (6311)
• United States
12 Jan 10
You never make 'em easy to read, but I think I get what you're talking about. Why is "socialist" a bad word? And is not wanting something hatred? I don't want salad with dinner, but I don't hate it. Granted, Wiki isn't the best source for anything, but I quickly pulled this quote: "Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potential[4] and does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public." A lot of Americans are capitalists and do not hold the abovementioned belief. Are you saying that they're the bad ones? They're the ones showing hatred toward convenient victims? Not wanting wealth redistributed and the entire workforce to become unionized and 50% or more of all income to become Fed fodder isn't hatred. Even leaning more toward "socialism" will create more government. And more government means less personal freedom. Where's the hatred? I think you're painfully confused about some things in America. But I feel all warm and fuzzy inside that you pay so much attention to American politics. Maybe the crowd that wants large government and want capitalist pigs to burn are the ones hating on convenient victims. But no, it never works in reverse. The pointer's finger only goes one way. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean.
@jb78000 (15178)
12 Jan 10
aww fishy. you slightly missed the point here. so to redo it: and simplifying enormously america is very right wing compared to other democratic countries the democratic party is at the most slightly more middle than the other the republican party is very right wing by other standards the extreme right leads to evil as does the exteme left america is going right. look at yourselves please.
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• United States
12 Jan 10
Going right? Maybe your definition of "right" is different than mine and millions of other people. But I like the "aww." A tip (unless you enjoy patronizing people who bother to post honestly on your discussions; i.e. being an a$$): Write your posts better -- elaborate more on what you mean. This way, people might not get lost on what you really mean compared to what you indistinctly jot down. But I know, right -- you're only out to make light of topics and annoy people.
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@jb78000 (15178)
12 Jan 10
well thankyou for your advice fish. if you don't understand what i mean then actually asking would presumably be a bit of a pest? the point i was making here was that the extreme right is not nice. and your idea of the moderate right is slightly different to ours. this is an opportunity for a discussion, not an opportunity to let your inner 14 year old out. matersfish, from what i have seen you seem capable of holding an adult discussion - keep that sunshine.
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@anniepa (26605)
• United States
13 Jan 10
I know I've been amazed for a long time by those who actually believe President Obama and most of the Democrats in Congress are "far left". The truth is, they're not even liberal by most standards. If they were liberal we'd have a single-payer health care system by now. In fact, we'd have had it for about 16 years by now since the same claims had been made about the Clintons and the Democratic Congress from 1993-94. I don't think many people have any clue what any of those words really mean. I know stirring up blind hatred leads to violence against innocent people and that's just the beginning! Annie
@jb78000 (15178)
18 Jan 10
the democratic party is moderately conservative, appearing just slightly more liberal than the other one - certainly not socialist and definitely not communist. the fringe movements on the right do scare me here and in your country. what astounded me was how many votes the bnp got here - they are sneaky movements. you think they are a minority joke. then they get power.
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@celticeagle (113958)
• Boise, Idaho
12 Jan 10
I would never do that. I think those that do are not concerned with the actual out come but the one they view things only. They are selfish, hateful folk who are totally blind to the full outcome. They see only what they want to see and have no time for realistically looking at anything or thinking things through before making such an outburst.
@jb78000 (15178)
18 Jan 10
and i agree with this.
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@celticeagle (113958)
• Boise, Idaho
19 Jan 10
you are smarter than you jump.
@Sandra1952 (6052)
• Spain
12 Jan 10
Hello, Judith. What worries me is how this anti-islamic feeling is allowing the BNP to get a foothold in British politics. Not all followers of Islam are terrorists, just as not all immigrants are stealing our jobs. Just because a tiny minority are fanatical - and a large number of those who turn to terrorism are converts to Islam - it doesn't mean we should denigrate an entire demographic classification. The thing with these extreme right wing groups is they say what people want to hear, and they dress it up so you don't realise the full extent of their policies until it's too late. I haven't lived through a World War, thank goodness, and I have no wish to, but it's very easy to identify with someone who comes along and says they have the solution to a problem. By the time you realise it's a final solution, and that it encompasses whole nations, we're back on a war footing.
@jb78000 (15178)
12 Jan 10
a lot of what the nasty lot say publicly is what many people agree with and doesn't always look unreasonable. they you realise what they are really saying. did you watch nick griffin on question time? - exactly what you'd expect but he slipped a few times. the screenwipe clip pretty much sums it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBvT3uQb2Vs
• Spain
13 Jan 10
Yes, I did, and I was horrified that such a bigot was allowed a public platform such as Question Time. Makes me glad I moved to Spain.
@jewels49 (1784)
• United States
12 Jan 10
History shows us what blind hatred towards another culture or people leads to.And yet.. The ways things are today pretty much supports the old saying.. the one that goes something like, those who fail to learn from history are forced to repeat it.
@jb78000 (15178)
12 Jan 10
and history does repeat itself. depressing isn't it?
@jewels49 (1784)
• United States
12 Jan 10
over and over again,,and at times depressing yes..and destined to repeat it
@Rollo1 (16681)
• Boston, Massachusetts
12 Jan 10
Right and left don't really mean the same here in the US as they might to other countries but for me, going right means supporting small government, supporting individual liberty and supporting the Constitution. Those things seem correct to me, they seem right. :) Now, there's been a lot of hype in the media about the extreme right, and the fears they hype just aren't manifesting. The right shift is a reaction to the left shift of this administration and this government. They threaten the things Americans value and so Americans reject them more and more and align themselves with those who are more moderate and those who lean right. I am not the least bit afraid of an electorate that leans further right because I know that what they want is not the evil that the media would have you believe they want. We are not racists, we are not violent, we are not terrorists. We haven't shot up a town hall meeting, nor have we encouraged others to do so. We have sounded our collective voice to speak for our country and for the ideals our nation was founded upon. While the security forces in our nation continue to focus on the right-wing, Christian extremists that they would have you believe are such a danger, terrorists they have chosen to ignore out of a sense of political correctness or just dereliction of duty have struck out against us. We called Van Jones a communist, and guess what? He just happened to be one and called himself one and was a member of the communist party. How is it hateful to call him a communist? It's no crime to be a communist, but if we'd wanted one in government, we'd have elected one. Van Jones did do jail time, though. Is it so strange that we didn't want him to hold a powerful position in our government? A socialist is a socialist, and it is not a crime to call a policy "socialist" if it is one. I consider "redistribution of wealth" to be a socialist policy and it is one espoused by the president. May I say that he is espousing socialist policies when he does, or am I being hateful? There's no fear-mongering here, there's no hatred. It's a darn sight less hateful than the attacks that emanate from this administration in response to the voice of the people they serve.
@jb78000 (15178)
18 Jan 10
i also agree with smaller government, although i have no opinion on your constitution. now i have no problem with conservatives but the extreme rightis a different kettle of fish. in this country the bnp and other groups are extremely nasty and have been gaining power.
@PeacefulWmn9 (10424)
• United States
12 Jan 10
Yessum, I sure do, and it is scary, but since I am a right wing left wing nut conservative liberalist middle of the road independent radical God-fearing peoplist kind of person, I take whichever personal action seems to be most called for. But seriously the times are scary, all around, truly scary, Rabbit. When you couple the hunger for power with greed and hatred, the most dire of things seem to be brought about. Karen
@jb78000 (15178)
12 Jan 10
it is ok. rabbits don't get too scared, they just don't like the nastier elements of human nature being exploited. and i am afraid that every human nearly always has a mixture of good and evil in them (so do rabbits).