What should you do with a child who has very bad behavior?

United States
February 18, 2010 10:25am CST
My Ex called me and my wife today explaining the problems going on with my son and she wants me to talk to him. He is 15 years old and is saying as soon as he hits 16 he is going to drop out of school so he can get a job and save for a car and house. I know how hard it is in this economy to make money and I own my own company. I have tried to get him to work with me on his summer vacations from school doing lawn care and landscaping with me but he says it is to hard of work and he needs paid more. I thought $10.00 an hour was more than fair with him not having any experience doing this kind of work but he still wanted more money. I explained to him I could hire someone for cheaper than I was paying him but he did not catch the point in the matter. I am wondering if anyone can give me any suggestions on how to talk to him about his reasoning on doing things before he goes and does something stupid because he thinks life is easier than going to school and getting an education. Has anyone had any experience with this? I was going to have him move in with us but his mother will not allow it and she just lets him sit and play video games whenever he wants on top of allowing him to have friends over the age of 21. I do not necessarily have that big of problem with him hanging with older kids as long as they are not teaching him bad habits. Please if anyone has any suggestions or pointers please let me know. I wish I had more control over the way his mother is raising him but I don't so that is something I know I will not win on. Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope I can get some good ideas on how to rectify this situation.
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@GardenGerty (157427)
• United States
18 Feb 10
First of all, in the real world, $10.00 per hour for a fifteen year old is a fortune. He would more likely be offered minimum wage by anyone else. Secondly, if he does not live with you, you have not got a chance to do much to change his mind, other than let him make a reality check about the cost of things. Be sure to include insurance and health care on those lists. If he drops out, he can always go back when the world smacks him along side the head. I would look into alternative schools, though and see if he could get on a fast track to complete his diploma requirements. Some people cannot be argued with and you will just have to let him experience the natural consequences. My great niece was enrolled in a charter school, and was to do all of her work online, etc.because school was too hard. She is back in high school, a semester behind, but she learned that lesson for herself at sixteen. At least he realizes he would have to get a job. He needs to call some folks and see what kind of job he could get without a diploma.
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@GardenGerty (157427)
• United States
19 Feb 10
If he did not want to work when working for you, then having the equipment would not work for him. As parents, we never give up on our kids. We do stand behind them and we try to pick them up when they fall. I know you will do that for your son as well.
• United States
19 Feb 10
I know that having the equipment would not make much of a difference because he has no work ethics as of yet. If he come and work for me this summer and showed an interest next year if we expanded I would be comfortable giving him more responsibility. I am going to try harder this year on getting him to work because maybe he has grown up some from last year and will actually make an effort. As you said as parents we never give up on our kids on I will keep trying my hardest on being the best parent I can.
• United States
18 Feb 10
His mother and I was looking into a new program his school is offering where he would go to school half the day and then the other half is spent doing online school work. I think the name was called JATO or something like that but he says it does not matter because he is done with school as soon as he turns 16. I am going to do my best to keep him in school but once he turns 16 there is nothing that can be done if that is what he wants to do. I thought $10.00 an hour was fair for what he was required to do. He did not like to weed whip and thought he should be on the zero turn mower instead of me. Maybe if he would of made the effort on wanting to work I would of done that for him but that is something he would of had to earn. I have even tried to get him to shovel snow when we are out plowing but he said he would rather not because it's cold and the work is hard. I am going to keep trying because I am not going to give up on trying no matter what and even if he does drop out of school I will be there for him. I just hope I can get through to him the benefit of a good education. He has made the statement in the past that he would start his own company but what he does not realize is that takes money and it's not something you can just do. If he would apply himself when it was time to upgrade equipment again I would give him a steal on our used equipment and he could start up his own lawn company. I would even teach him the aspects of running it to better help him make money.
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• Canada
18 Feb 10
I taught at an Outreach school for several years. Here in Alberta an Outreach school is attended by kids trying to get extra credits but many of the students are also kids who are coming back to get their diploma after trying to do exactly what your son is proposing. It's tough to instill a good work ethic in kids these days and sometimes the best way to learn is to do it the hard way. You don't say much about what your son's work ethic is like but I wonder if he's ever been given any responsibility? There's not much you can do about how your ex is raising him. If he does carry out his threat to drop out I would advise you to let him know you will be available for advice but otherwise, if he wants to be a grownup he needs to take all the responsibilities that go with it.
@GardenGerty (157427)
• United States
18 Feb 10
This is probably the best advice you could get. Perhaps you could go over this model with him on one of his breaks and let him find out for himself.
• United States
18 Feb 10
He has no idea how he will support himself or what type of job he will work at. On the job issue when he worked with me he was unmotivated and wanted to hurry up and get home after an hour of work to go play video games. I did not allow him to sit in front of video games all day and if he wanted money he had to earn it. I tried the allowance thing and so has his mother but he refuses to do anything that is asked of him. I am going to try and show him the cost of living and how it would be hard t do on a minimum wage job and how if he can prove his self working with me how maybe he could run his own crew of people working for me and make decent money and be able to do the things he would like.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
19 Feb 10
This is hard because I have a son who is a senior in high school and he's kind of in the same boat. He seems to think it is EASY to get out on your own and my hubby and I know how truly rough it is. All our son sees is that we did it, so he thinks it was easy lol. Dropping out to get a job is silly. Working part time while in school is a better idea but it's hard these days for kids to find jobs. If he is resourceful, he will be able to find something but it likely won't pay $10 an hour. I would be completely honest about my own experiences - I have been with my son. I told him how I started babysitting when I was 12 and saved some of that money. When I got older, I picked berries in the summer too and added that money. I continued to babysit and do other jobs whenever I could, including extra chores for my parents. I worked at McDonalds when I was still in high school and that was another good source of money. Because of all this, I was able to save money to buy a car and put away money for moving expenses - so I had enough for a deposit and first and last months' rent on an apartment. I told him it was slow going and really HARD because I did spend some of the money - on extra school clothes, entertainment, music, accessories, etc. I have 4 siblings so it's not like we were rolling in money. If I wanted anything extra, I had to buy it myself. Also, another thing to point out is that you get what you give - if you EXPECT to be paid more than fair value, then you had better be DOING more than fair value to EARN it, meaning you don't get something for nothing. Being lazy gets you nothing and expecting to make more money than you're actually worth is not going to happen more often than not. I'm sure if I went back to school it would be boring, but certainly much EASIER than having responsibilities, taking care of kids, etc. Have you talked to his mother about the fact that without some clear goals and expectations, your son IS going to ruin his life? At 15, or 16, kids cannot see the future, they don't realize that things they think are no big deal now will be a big deal you can't undo in 5 years.
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• United States
19 Feb 10
It is very hard in the real world to make a living without an education. I have talked to his mom about goals and stuff like that but she just wont hear it from me. When it gets bad like this she calls me and asks for advice and for me to talk to him. If she called me when she first realized it then it would be a lot easier for me to deal with it in the future. She calls 6 months or more down the road and tells me about it when I could have been told when we talk on the phone or when I pick him up but she just never tells me anything until it is to late. I have tried explaining to him when I was his age I was working for lawn care and landscaping companies and lucky to be getting $7.00 an hour and it was lots of very hard work that I came to start our own company. BTW, the only thing his mom has said to him about quitting school is if he does he can't live there. I think she being around him more should be doing a lot better of a job on trying to keep him in school instead of telling him things like that. I have researched schools around me where he could go a half day and then they find you a job to work at. I have mentioned him moving with me to be able to do this so he could see how hard it is to make a living but she tells me that he is staying with her and there is nothing I can do about it because she knows the magistrate will give her what she wants
@Mady2791 (545)
• United States
18 Feb 10
Boy that's a tough one. I do think the solution is for him to move with you at least temporarily. I don't know why your ex doesn't let him especially since he is a grown boy and you are offering to HELP; you are showing support so that she doesn't have to do ALL the parenting by herself. Make a deal with her to let him move with you for at leas 6 months or so and see how it goes. Once he "takes it easy" he can move back with her. The key here is move his "reasoning" back into the right track. Oh..and the $10.00 an hour? yep that's usually what they pay you when you don't have experience
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• United States
18 Feb 10
Well she will not let him move in with my wife and I. She says she has everything under control. And I forgot to mention that he has ADHD and she does not make him take his medication if he does not want to. When he is here with us he takes it whether he like it or not.
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@GardenGerty (157427)
• United States
18 Feb 10
If she has everything under control, then why is she telling you all about it? I think she does not want to lose the child support she probably gets from you, or any other kind of money incentive, by letting you have custody. On the other hand, if she is not making sure he takes his meds, and things like that it could be considered neglect (maybe).
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• United States
18 Feb 10
I have brought that issue up with the court but I get the run around from them and the courts treat me like the scum of the earth while I am there anyway. If I say something and she contradicts me they go with what she says. Our son has even said in court he wants to live with me but they say that his needs are better met with his mother. If he come and lived with us and the court cut off her child support payments I would not want her paying me any money for him living with us. Heck if it's an issue about her not having the money why she does not want him to come here where I may be able to get him on track I would send her money monthly just to make her happy. Even paying the child support I still buy his clothes because for some reason he never has clothes and I have said something to the court but my response I got was the money could be used for whatever she wanted to as long as it was for the benefit of his care. So a $120.00 of it goes to cable, internet and phone and who knows what the rest is used for. I would get him whatever he needed anyway and we did not need a court to settle on how much I paid child support because if she would of left the court out of it she would of been getting more than $250.00 a month for his care. So I send her what the court says to and when he is here I buy him stuff he needs.
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@phoenix8606 (4942)
18 Feb 10
hi! I don't have any experience with kids, but I think if i must educate or punish kids with a very bad behavior, the first thing i will do is to talk with their parents, and if they don't do something then I will make me stay at home until it changes its behavior. and if you must do something with you own kid, then go for the second way
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• United States
18 Feb 10
It is very hard when his mother gets the last say in what happens. About a year or 2 ago I was going to pay for him to go to boot camp to learn respect and discipline since his mother said he would never listen to her and she told me that I could not do that. I have tried everything and I will be calling him tonight to talk about the stuff me and his mom talked about this morning. I have tried talking her into him moving here and even he has wanted to but she wont allow that because she says she can't be away from him that much which I can understand.
@ALEXFDR (11)
• Portugal
18 Feb 10
Hi i understand very well what you are living because i have a son with 16 years old, last year he give up school and went to do a profissional course in the area of informatic but now he whats to drop out this course so i talk with him and make him understand that with the school he has he will never have a job were he can make good money because in this days we need to prove what we know we may know a lot of things but if we dont have something to prove it we dont get very far. So now he will drop is course but he wil work and the job i get for him is a dishwasher in a restaurant because he must understand that with the school he has he will not get any better job. In your case i think you should talk with your ex-wife about the education his having and let him see for it self that without school he can not have jobs that pay him more money that he is geting from you. you must let him try i know so meny people that they sons give up school and went to work and after a year he retourns to school becausethey saw that working isent that easier. good luck for you and your son and be pacience wiyh him because this age is the age wen they do the most stupid things.
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• Portugal
18 Feb 10
i forget to say that my sun will retourn to this course next year he will just make a break and try to understand what he whants to do with his life
• United States
19 Feb 10
I am explaining the importance of continuing education right now. As I have told him I attend college on a regular basis and am going back in April for more horticulture classes because things change every year and it is important to know whatever has changed to make your customers happy with the changes that are or can be made to make their property look even better.
18 Feb 10
You have made a good start hun, he needs to know that if he wants things, then he has to earn the money to pay for them. It's so hard to get this simple fact across to kids these days as they are used to instant gratification but, with patience, you will get through to him.
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• United States
18 Feb 10
What is bad is my 5 and 3 year old will do chores and help around the house and if he is asked it goes in to a why do I got to do it I am only hear on the weekend type of thing. Heck the 2 young ones are good at saving money and maybe I should talk them into saving it for when I retire. I agree it is so hard to get kids to do anything these days but I have learned a lot from the 15 year old and am going to do my best to raise them to know how to respect, do good in school. and understand the value of the dollar. I won't give up on trying to get him to understand the importance of school and how rewarding it is in the long run.
• United States
18 Feb 10
Hello WiseReptiles, I think your son would be better off staying with you. Im not sure why your wife is willing to call and ask you to handle a situation but wont allow you to fully raise your son in your own home. I know some mothers are greatly attached and cannot part with her child but in this case your son is on his way to learning how to be a man and what better teacher than his own father. To be truthful your doing to the right thing giving him options. but the hardest thing is letting him make his own decisions. Some young adults don't see the other side of the mountain until they've climbed it. in his case it looks as though he may have to do that in order to learn life isn't as easy as just getting a job. Education is the key to success and without it life will be hard. Keep doing what your doing talk to him show him dropping out of school is not a good choice if you have to gather some information show him data facts statistics. give examples of people with an education and those without I would meet his friends and see where their heads are at because it sounds like to me his 21 year old friends have freedom, probably on their own working and he wants to be like them. Talk to his friends and ask them to influence him to stay in school sometimes advice from a peer works better than a parent
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• United States
18 Feb 10
It is my ex girlfriend. I just got married 6 months ago for the first time. I think his friends have an influence on him as well and I will see if his mother would give me their phone numbers to talk to them or do it herself. I try as hard as I can to do whats right but when she allows him to do what he wants it is hard to have him see the way I would like. I am far from perfect and am doing my best I possibly can to raise him well and make sure he succeds in life and I believe she is trying her hardest as well.
@BlueAngelRS (2899)
• Canada
18 Feb 10
I am on the other side of the fence here I wish my ex had as much interest in helping me out with our children as you do with your son....My kids are way far apart in age and my son is 16 and he is pulling alot of the same stuff but he wants to go to school and get his education and make something of himself but the issue with him is getting there.... I've seeked advice and help of my friends.....Now I can see her fear of letting your son go but what I really think is that if she has it under control like she has been trying to convince people then why is she running to you when she can't handle it....What I was told to have my son learn respect is take away his play station and all his privalages and he will get bored enough and start to listen.....This has worked to an extent and I think sometimes it's harder for the parent....What your ex really needs to do is pull the plug on his games and friends....If he is being defiant and out of control.....I think because your son wants to live with you maybe she is bribing him into staying with her by letting him have his way so to speak....I'm surprised at the courts usually they will go off the word of a 15 year old child and let him choose which parent to live with....As hard as it may be you might have to involve Social Services to investigate it because not making him take his meds for his ADHD is neglect....Good Luck I wish there were more men like you that cared so much to be there for their children....
• United States
18 Feb 10
Sorry to hear that your ex is not in your children s life. I try my hardest to be there and a role model for my children. Well I am glad you take away your sons video games when he does something you do not approve of and I wish his mother listened to me and would take his 360 away from him and not allow him to play it. Well the court we go to from my experience there and I am not saying this is the fact just an assumption, they do not like the male parents because every time I have to go there they talk real rude but to the women they are really nice. I mean this in no disrespect to any woman on this site just stating my experience with the courts. I know he has missed tons of school and as of right now nothing has been done about that. I will look into seeing if something can be done about him not taking his medication as well. Actually I am going to make a phone call in the morning and see what can be done.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Feb 10
hi wisereptiles he sounds like many modern thoroughly spoiled teens to me,.since your wife has stymied you in your intelligent suggestionsI would say let him find out for himself just w hat being on your own in a world that will not pamper you like dad or mom does is like. It will be hard to watch this but I think once he learns that what you are trying to tell him is the real truth he may just decide to get that education so he can be able to get a really good paying job and live much like he is accustomed to living. Are there any tough love programs in your area, I have watched some of that on tv and they seem to have great luck turning teens from spoiled brats into thinking young people. have a look around and good luck. Also what does he like to do? I mean besides loaf and playh video games? what is his real passion, maybe you could expound on that with him.
• United States
18 Feb 10
Well he is truly spoiled by his mother. Well I talked to him on he phone tonight and the reason he gave me for wanting to quit school is it's not for him and he don't like it. So I went on explaining a few of the things I do not like to do and asked him if I still do them even though I don't like them and he said yes. Well I thought maybe that would turn him around some but I was wrong and he still has his mind set on quitting school. Well I don't know of any tough love programs here but if I could get his mother to agree I would pay the money to send him to a 90 day boot camp program to see if maybe that would help out. But she don't think that is the right thing to do because it will teach him to hate his parents. I could care less if he hated me because he would be a changed person when he finished. OK, well I do know it worked for a friend of mines child and I can not honestly expect the best results just hope for them. I wish I could tell you if he enjoyed anything other than loafing, playing games or his friends but those are the only things I know he does. I do know he did enjoy karate a few years ago but he grew out of that real fast. I will see if I can find other things he is interested in and try getting him into those things as well. My biggest goal right now is to try to keep him in school and out of jail because I don't want him to end up like my uncle being in and out of prison his whole life.