I'm so angry--the guy that crashed the plane in the Austin IRS building..

@dragon54u (31406)
United States
February 18, 2010 10:20pm CST
First of all, I am NOT an advocate of violent revolution. That usually turns into totalitarianism, Marxism or worse. But the media is missing the opportunity to highlight how frustrated we "normal" citizens are with how we are represented in our government. For almost a century, we have elected people that have promised us what we wanted but never delivered. In that time we have illustrated the definition of insanity, as Mr. Stack described in his suicide note--doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is insanity. Now we are finally awakened and some of us realize that our government has been working for their own ends, not the nation's. What does that get us? NOTHING!!! Our representatives are still working only for their interests or Special Interest Lobbyists. It's time for a beat down!! Vote out the incumbents in 2010!!! I think Mr. Stack made some poor decisons and had some bad luck but that shouldn't ruin his life in this greatest nation on earth. Our tax codes are so oppressive and we should have a voice!!!! The media will probably turn this into an anti-Tea Party/Independent Party thing. But think..how long has it been since your representative actually reflected your opinion?! Time to peacefully and forcefully REBEL!! VOTE OUT THE ENCUMBANTS IN 2010!!
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@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
19 Feb 10
I don't see how they can associate this guy as a tea party member, he was an out and out anarchist, and a loon ta boot. Have you read that manifesto?? He railed everyone, communists AND capitolists. The manifesto I read was the words of a very mentaly disturbed man. It was all over the place, intelectual at some points, rambling at others, legalese babble at others, etc. It was truly bizzarre.
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@dragon54u (31406)
• United States
19 Feb 10
He was nuts, no doubt about it. His use of violence insured that his message about corrupt government won't be heard but I wish Washington would listen and begin to govern for the people instead of for themselves and their cronies. After all, we are supposed to be the boss and they are the employees.
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@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
19 Feb 10
You do make some valid points dragon. After all the media railing against the patriot movement as "iciting violence", the BIGGEST iciter of violence in this country is the government. they push people and push people and eventualy, someone snaps and does what Stack did.
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@Rollo1 (16669)
• Boston, Massachusetts
20 Feb 10
The Daily Kos immediately decided that this man's actions were directly related to the Tea Party movement. A couple of MSM outlets also alluded to the Tea Party, even though there is no evidence that this guy had anything to do with the Tea Party and according to people who knew him, was pretty apolitical as far as belonging to any party. They will try to spin this into a story about the dangers of the Tea Party.
@spalladino (17927)
• United States
19 Feb 10
Well, dragon, it seems to me that it would be very irresponsible for any news organization to make a connection between the actions of this deranged man and the frustrations that normal folks are experiencing. I read his ramblings...he blamed everyone and everything for his problems and his failures, even the events on 9/11 because they impacted HIM and made things difficult for HIM. What ruined Stack's life wasn't the government or the tax code...what ruined Stack's life was Stack. He was an angry man with a persecution complex. I don't think it would be a good idea to encourage others to feel persecuted, too.
@dragon54u (31406)
• United States
19 Feb 10
It didn't seem that way last night. Today I learn he owned the airplane, a nice house and had a lot of blessings. I agree with you about him. But did you read the part where he couldn't get any response from his representatives? Our government has to started working for us, not the select few. "I don't think it would be a good idea to encourage others to feel persecuted, too." I didn't look at it that way, thanks for the perspective.
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@spalladino (17927)
• United States
19 Feb 10
Maybe his representatives weren't responding to him because he didn't have a legitimate gripe/problem. You have to also look at the number of people who do contact their elected reps...I'm sure there are many who do have legitimate problems and there are only so many hours in the day and so many people our elected representatives can assist.
@LaDeBoheme (1976)
• United States
19 Feb 10
Maybe the fact that Mr. Stack made some poor decisions and had some bad luck shouldn't have ruined his life, but it damn sure didn't give him the right to ruin other people's lives either. It's one thing to tell 'Mr. Big Brother IRS man' to take his 'pound of flesh', but he donated others' flesh too, who, I seriously doubt, were as willing as Mr. Stack to give it up. So, poor Joe, he decides to 'stop this insanity' with his action because 'violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer'. Unfortunately, he negated the whole point about tax oppression with murder.
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• United States
19 Feb 10
Just to clear one thing up, my reference to 'poor Joe' was purely facetious. I have no sympathy for murderers.
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@dragon54u (31406)
• United States
19 Feb 10
He messed up his own life and wasn't willing to take the consequences. But the media could use this to pressure our representatives into doing their jobs--representing US. He was crazy, sure enough. It's just a shame he was crazy enough to want to kill other people because of his misfortunes.
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• United States
19 Feb 10
I agree in some points with you, here the middle class is the one that pays for everybody, because if you think about it, people with a lot of money don't care to pay high taxes and high deductibles in medical insurance, because they anyways have a lot of money, and the people that lives from the government, of course those ones are not even going to pay taxes because we as a society make them believe that as they are poor they deserve everything. This is a horrible frustration even for me, but I do think that this guy make a really wrong decision because that federal building probably have people that like him are suffering the same. The employees are not guilty for that. It is true that politicians work for themselves and not for us. It is our responsibility as people to pick better next times.
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@dragon54u (31406)
• United States
19 Feb 10
I don't resent people with money but I do resent that they seem to have all the power and only their voices are paid attention to. This man did something horrible and insured that his message about the government will not be heard. I guess thinking that the media could focus on his frustration with the government was naive--the government and special interests own them.
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@bellis716 (4807)
• United States
19 Feb 10
I agree that we need to clean house. However, where can we find people to take their place who will not be contaminated by the temptations offered by the lobbyists?
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@savypat (20248)
• United States
19 Feb 10
I am so lucky to live in a state with a small population. Our federal representives and senators listen to us. If they don't we do vote them out. This doesn't mean we get much done with the Federal Government, but they have been able to work on issues that were not major Press attractors and get soem things passed. Our elections are often decieded by just a few votes, sometimes on country or city issues just one or two votes. This makes you feel that your vote really does count. This doesn't mean we don't have problems. One end of our state is much more populated then the other so many issues end up being one sided.
@dragon54u (31406)
• United States
19 Feb 10
Things really get done in places with lower populations--people are more involved in things and like you said, they'll fire anyone who doesn't listen. I wish I could fire every politician and let the country start fresh.
@mentalward (14716)
• United States
19 Feb 10
As you said, dragon, "For almost a century..." How would voting the present encumbants out do any good whatsoever? The new ones will be just as bad. We need a full government reform but we all know that's not going to happen. The Republicans love to stab the Democrats in the back. The Democrats love to stab the Republicans in the back. The Independents love to stab everyone in the back. The thing is, whether Republicans or Democrats have controlled things, the result has been, and will continue to be, the same. I have my own beef against the government but I'm dealing with it in a totally different way. There would be no way that I would ever harm, with actions or only words, a government worker. They need their jobs as much as we need ours. (I'm referring to the lower echelon here.) One thing I've noticed is that so many people love to blame the current government on the recession we're having. That is ludicrous. The entire world is in a recession; Obama is not to blame for that. This recession began during the last administration and was on an incredible downward spiral just as Bush stepped aside. Even with that being so, I do not blame Bush for the recession. It is a world-wide problem that we need to deal with on a global level. I refuse to support any candidate for government office until they learn to deal with the same things we all have to deal with, such as retiring on a pension that is NOT 100% of their salary, having to use Medicare for their medical needs, no bodyguards for life, no "special" privileges simply because they used to be in the government, etc. As a matter of fact, in the pension area, the majority of American workers need to work 20 years in order to qualify for any pention whatsoever, while these upper-eschelon government retirees only work for 4 or 8 years to qualify for a pension equal to 100% of the salary they make at the end of their tenure. This is neither a Republic or a Democratic thing, either. Isn't it a sad state of this country when we talk about "Republic" and "Democrat" the way some talk about "Black" and "White"? Can't we all just be "Americans" and deal with this problem together instead of standing on one side or the other of that HUGE line drawn in the sand?
@dragon54u (31406)
• United States
19 Feb 10
Amen! Strangely enough, you came to mind when I was reading his "manifesto". All the crap you've been through with the government trying to deny you what you have earned and deserve. Yet you dealt with it properly and didn't kill anyone. This man's message will never be heard because of his actions. He blamed others for his poor judgment and mistakes, but we need to reform our government. He could not even get any help from his representatives, who are supposed to be working for the people but work only for themselves and their buddies.
@Qaeyious (2362)
• United States
19 Feb 10
We have only ourselves to blame since we keep voting for Repubocrats term after term. I learned by my third presidential vote in the 80's that they are no good, and have been working and voting for third party since. The only exception was in 2004 in an attempt to prevent a certain person to remain at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and you know how successful that was. So I'm back to my sane mode, vainly voting for people who usually get no more than 5% of the vote because all you people think a different Repubocrat is going to do different. And it will happen after the next election as well, during the run for the 2016 office, your whining and complaining about our horrible politicians doing such a horrid job. There's only one sane way to solve the problem. Vote them out. All Repubocrats. Now THAT would be change I can believe in.
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@dragon54u (31406)
• United States
19 Feb 10
I certainly do plan to vote out every one that I can. You have described the problem with our government perfectly.
@N4life (851)
• United States
20 Feb 10
I read the manifesto, and the guy was certainly not stupid. To me the manifesto was a very well written expose on how many of us feel about our government. Of course I don't condone what he did, or agree with every word in the manifesto, but I don't think this was a guy who was always a nut...he just snapped. To me the manifesto does not reflect left wing or right wing politics and what seems a jab at both communism and capitalism at the end is something we all need to consider. Both of these taken to the extreme, are not good and have been shown only to foster cynisism in the long run. I think if this guy were to have chosen a healthy way to express his frustration, as oppossed to bottling it up and doing what he did, that he could have made at least a bit of a difference with his "rants". He should have written a book, or did radio shows, anything to get the word out rather than what he did.
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@dragon54u (31406)
• United States
20 Feb 10
Many people are saying he was endorsing communism with his comparison at the end of his letter but I don't see it that way. I don't understand why he snapped but to do such a horrible thing is beyond my comprehension.
@N4life (851)
• United States
21 Feb 10
There seems to be less doubt about the statement on capitalism which I find to be relieving. Less likely certain factions of people in the US will see him as a hero.
@dailey (1)
• Netherlands Antilles
21 Feb 10
dear dragon54u, I do not disagree with you. this news have been all over the world and has affected feelings of many worldly citizens like you.It is a shame indeed that someone healthy of mind becomes insane over things that went out of hand.Thumbs up!
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@dragon54u (31406)
• United States
21 Feb 10
Now that I know more about him, I think he's a total nut case. He's right to be angry about our tax structure but to endanger so many people and to take the life of a good man is inexcusable. Even our public officials can't file their taxes properly, it's so complicated! Did you know that after he criticized Tim Geithner, a talk show host had his taxes audited?! We don't have a tax department, we have a bully! Hey, welcome to myLot! Make lots of friends and turn on the notifications so you can participate more. Read the rules carefully, they change sometimes. Have fun! This place is great, I've met people from all over the world and had a lot of my ideas changed by talking with them. I hope to see more of you in the future!
@Hatley (163994)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Feb 10
dragon54u the man was totally an imbecile why would we pay much attention to his words and what in heavens name does his trying to kill his wife and son by setting the house on fire, the plowing his plane into a bu ilding thus killing himself and whoever was with him have to do with our government? Oh I see the Irs building but how do you know that the only problem he had with the IRS could well have been in his own tortured mind? This country is still the best place on earth and no country has everything perfect.
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@dragon54u (31406)
• United States
20 Feb 10
I certainly don't expect this country to be perfect but this guy tried to get his representatives to help him and they wouldn't give him the time of day. I assume that was when he was still sane. My point is that our representatives are no longer working for us and don't give a crap what we think. One person who went crazy decided it was okay to slam his plane into a building to kill people and one of the things that fueled his crazy was a corrupt government. I've learned more about him since yesterday and I'm now quite sure he had more problems than we'll ever know. I mean, who sets their house on fire with they family inside?!! But a corrupt government fueled his crazy and something must be done to take it back and make it work for us again.