Would you like another star on the United States flag?

@dragon54u (31615)
United States
April 28, 2010 9:53am CST
Tomorrow, Thursday, HR2499 is going to be presented. The people of PR have voted down statehood for the last 43 years because they get services without paying US taxes for them. Now Congress is bringing it up again, wanting to make PR our 51st state. Here's a link to the story: http://beforeitsnews.com/news/37267/Oppose_Statehood_for_Puerto_Rico_HR_2499.html While we were all being distracted by financial "reform" and other things, Congress is once again trying to add another state to our union. I would say the more the merrier but I think it's an attempt to capture more votes for 2012. I'm not sure which party would benefit but I'm sure one of them is behind this. Or maybe I'm paranoid. There's so much to be paranoid about now.. What is your opinion on having another state? Do you think it would be beneficial to all or is it just a ploy to gain more revenue and votes?
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• United States
28 Apr 10
IMO it is very obvious that Congress is only trying get Puerto Rico as a state is to benefit from votes and revenue. It must not be in the best interests of Puerto Rico if they do not want to be the 51st State.
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@dragon54u (31615)
• United States
28 Apr 10
I think they just want the votes. That, along with all the votes they will get by giving amnesty to 12-20 million illegal aliens will ensure that the dems control the government for the next few decades. I wouldn't mind dems if they weren't progressives but they are dangerous for our country, in my opinion. I don't like their socialist leanings--I should specify that I mean the leanings of their representatives, not the people themselves. Most of them are nice, reasonable and intelligent people.
• United States
28 Apr 10
The cost of the Obama Health Care supporting Medical care for all the amnesty transformed citizens plus the 4 million new citizens from Puerto Rico may get votes but will cripple the USA! I used to be a nice,reasonable and intelligent Democrat until Obama came on the scene and change the Democratic party into his own personal tool to destroy the USA. Now I am a nice, reasonable and intelligent Independent.
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@hofferp (4739)
• United States
28 Apr 10
Welcome, Whiteheather, to the ranks of Independents. I use to be a Republican. I changed my party at the beginning of Bush's second term, because I was that upset with Bush and the Republican Party. Now I'm so upset with Obama and the Democratic Party, I'm leaning right again. I'll probably stay an Independent, even though we don't get to vote in the primaries, just to keep them guessing which way I'm going to vote next. I've already made my decisions for 2010...and I'm just waiting to cast my vote.
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@laglen (19782)
• United States
28 Apr 10
In my ever so humble opinion, if Peurto Rico does not want state hood, I say cut them off. I would not force them. Just cut them loose.
@dragon54u (31615)
• United States
28 Apr 10
I was not aware that we were providing them services until I heard it today. They should either join the states or do without our services. I don't think we need another state and we certainly don't need nearly 4 million more people just to increase voter roles--estimate another 1-1.5 million adults. The progressives are already planning to do an amnesty thing, from what I'm hearing, so that 11-20 million new Hispanic citizens will gratefully vote for the democrat party. About 57% of them voted democrat in the last POTUS election.
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@laglen (19782)
• United States
28 Apr 10
I could have sworn that buying votes was illegal. Guess I was wrong...
@mentalward (14695)
• United States
28 Apr 10
I really don't care if they become a state or not but I think this bill is to try to bring in more tax revenue for our government. I don't really pay attention to all this Republican/Democrat stuff because it just makes me angry. Our government was supposed to be about the people but it's not. It's about greed. Of course, with all the backstabbing that goes on between the parties, I want no part of them.
@dragon54u (31615)
• United States
28 Apr 10
I would be an independent or libertarian if it meant I could vote in the primaries. I never understood why Ls and Is couldn't vote then. I would not mind PR becoming a state but I think it's just to get a million more votes for the democrats. You're right, this bickering and power grabbing without considering the people they are supposed to be working for is bull crap.
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@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
28 Apr 10
I read through the article and the bill itself. I see a number of problems with the article though. First: "Then there is the problem of reassigning some seats in the U.S. House of Representatives by handing at least six or seven over to Puerto Rico, depriving six or seven existing states of one representative each because of the congressionally-mandated 435 seat cap" I was not aware that congress had the authority to "cap" the number of represenatives as doing so is a direct conflict with the constitution in a number of areas (not that this stops them), they are not given this power and the contsitution CLEARLY spells out how the number of represenatives is reached. So, this part of the article is suspect. Second: "a second vote would have to be administered, this one giving Puerto Ricans no option but statehood or full independence if the majority expresses dissatisfaction with the current political status." This line in the article is pattently false. It is 3 choices... From the bill: [i]"(1) Independence: Puerto Rico should become fully independent from the United States. If you agree, mark here XX. CommentsClose CommentsPermalink (2) Sovereignty in Association with the United States: Puerto Rico and the United States should form a political association between sovereign nations that will not be subject to the Territorial Clause of the United States Constitution. If you agree, mark here XX. CommentsClose CommentsPermalink (3) Statehood: Puerto Rico should be admitted as a State of the Union. If you agree, mark here XX"[/i] Another thing the article doesnt seem to understand is that this would likely NOT lead to more democratic representation in our elections as the majority of Puerto Rico's population is pretty devoutly Roman Catholic and would likey go more with republicans.
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@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
28 Apr 10
Link to the bill http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2499/text
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@dragon54u (31615)
• United States
28 Apr 10
Your last paragraph, thankfully, blows my conspiracy theory out of the water. I hate to think of voting manipulation going on so blatantly. I didn't think they could cap the number of reps, either, doesn't the constitution only say every state should be represented according to their population? This Congress is seriously whacko. As usual, a very well thought out and instructive response, thank you! Vote them out in 2010 and 2012!
@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
28 Apr 10
lol...thanks. I'm not sure how routine this bill is or isn't. I know a number of resolutions and bills have come up before that generaly tell Puerto Rico to "take your leak or get off the pot" This might just be another one of those bills? *shrug* not too sure.
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@ElicBxn (60884)
• United States
28 Apr 10
oh, they pay certain taxes, and the democrats would be the beneficiaries of PR becoming a state, so I do think that part of the reason is to get those "blue" voters on the roles However, PR does have good reasons to want to stay a territory - so I'm guessing that the ONLY way to get them to chose to be a state, to make the vote an up or down vote to either become a state or become a separate nation. Ya know, I seem to recall that nearly happened to Cuba at one time, they chose the nation status, you can see what it got them (stagnation)
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@dragon54u (31615)
• United States
29 Apr 10
I am awaiting the results, the vote is today. The dems won't get votes as PR is a mostly Roman Catholic population but I'm pretty sure it will become a state.
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@ElicBxn (60884)
• United States
29 Apr 10
don't bet on it - just because the Catholics are pro-life, doesn't make the population there conservative... and the Kennedy's are RC
@qamarep (4449)
• Pakistan
29 Apr 10
what are the stars representatives on that flag..
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@dragon54u (31615)
• United States
29 Apr 10
My country, the United States, consists of fifty states so there are fifty stars on our flag. Puerto Rico would make 51!
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
29 Apr 10
I get told I'm paranoid all the time. But when supposedly SMART people keep doing stupid sh*t over and over, and claim it is for our benefit, it seems paranoia is justified. I mean, if they're really so smart why do they keep doing the stupid stuff? Could it be on PURPOSE? Getting more votes for the democrats is what is behind this immigration thing as well. They're scared. And they're determined to stay in power. And if they LOOSE big, I look for some really bad stuff to happen. NOW that's paranoia! lol I've said it won't get better. It will get worse. We will hear someone say he can fix it all (we have already, haven't we?) and we will forget he's a liar. Peace and safety....that's what people want. The backlash against all us 'paranoid' nut cases proves to me that it is to scarey for most people to deal with...so they stay blind and hope for the best. PR...It's time they started paying. But it won't make a difference. They're poor there. They can't afford trillions in taxes either.
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@dragon54u (31615)
• United States
29 Apr 10
I agree, and you are NOT paranoid! Someone pointed out that the people of PR are mostly Roman Catholic so the dems would not get the votes they think out of this, as they not only believe in but actively endorse murdering unborn babies.
@hofferp (4739)
• United States
28 Apr 10
I say cut the services. Then let PR decide in the future whether they want to petition to become a state. If they don't petition, we just cut some of the spending we need to cut to cut the deficit. If they decide to petition to become a state, have them design the new flag we'll need... I say do that with all "territories" of the U.S. Cut the services/money flowing in and then let them choose what they want to do.
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@dragon54u (31615)
• United States
29 Apr 10
I agree with that. It's time to stop helping the entire world and pay attention to the misery at home.
@bunnybon7 (36901)
• Holiday, Florida
28 Apr 10
i think if we are already responsible for helping them out with things, they should pay taxes. anyway, i also think because the majority in PR is people of color, Obama is behind it all. no one seems to realise that we so wanted a nice black president is the biggest reason hes in there. to bad we didnt elect jesse jackson when we had a chance, then maybe he would have done something for us. and americans would had a chance to say we had a black pres. dont get me wrong, i love black people. i was partialy raised by a family of color. but i still say obama is there ONLY because hes black.
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@dragon54u (31615)
• United States
28 Apr 10
I don't agree. I think Obama is there because he was like a broken record, "Hope & Change" over and over and we were so sick of everything that the majority of us voted for him. I didn't because I saw his tactics and realized he talked a lot but said very little. He could have been purple with orange polka dots and still been elected president.
@Hatley (164640)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Apr 10
hi dragon I say if Puerto Rico wants freebies thats tough, make them pay just like the rest of our states here, they cannot have it both ways. make them a state and make them pay their fair share. I am in a grouchy mood today and with the economy so horrid and my son out of work I see little to make me smile and the idea of Puerto Rico getting all free really makes me even grouchier.
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@dragon54u (31615)
• United States
28 Apr 10
Oh Hatley, I saw you spout off just now somewhere else!! Cheer up! I agree, if they want to be a state (which they don't so far) let them in and make them pay taxes. If not, don't provide them services for free. I don't like this because the two parties see some new voters in the works if they can convince PR to become a state. That's the only reason they're doing it. Both parties, what jerks they all are! If there was a more legitimate reason I might be all for it. PR is a beautiful place and I've heard the people are lovely. Get a nice cup of tea, look outside at the sunshine and sky and let yourself feel all the blessings He has given you. Forget your troubles. They are only temporary, after all. Enjoy the day!
@elitess (5072)
• Ipswich, England
28 Apr 10
Hi there dear Dragon - oh my look at me, i am answering in a politics topics - i must be out of my mind . Anyway while this does not affect me in any way, i think i can make a parallel between what is happening there, and what happened between Romania and Republic of Moldova for years. Well they wanted off and not be a part of Romania, even if they speak the same language they invented a dictionary of romanian - moldavian and they think they are greater then us, but come to think about it, they need a lot of resources from us (and from Russia as well) to survive, and if they were to be cut off i don't know what they would do. Well the thing is that stubbornness can sometimes be an obstacle in any relationship, and just being a supplier for Puerto Rico might benefit the US ( i am thinking of taxes of course).
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@dragon54u (31615)
• United States
28 Apr 10
The situations seem to be similar! I'm not sure if I want a 51st state, as I think the motivation is purely to get more votes for the party now in power. Moldova and Puerto Rico seem to be similar in their interactions, although Puerto Rico is a Spanish speaking island and we speak English here.
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