"Forget Your Christian Beliefs, Or Face Expulsion."

@Maggiepie (7821)
United States
July 28, 2010 2:15am CST
That's what a Georgia university demanded one student who was studying to be a councilor was told. The school now faces a lawsuit, & is trying to back-pedal, but it's obvious when one reads the details they did try to coerce her into doing things directly against her deep-seated beliefs--a thing completely unconstitutional! If you want the whole story, go to the link below. And before you condemn her for her beliefs (if they're unlike your own), just recall that it is about the law, & your faith might very well be next. Either we're a nation of laws, or we're a nation of hypocrites. By the way, this is becoming a more & more common event in schools at every level. Just so you don't think this is an isolated "exception to the rule." Far from it. Remember what they said about the Jews, when the Nazis came first for them.... http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=182441 Maggiepie “Freedom is something that dies unless it's used.” ~ Hunter S. Thompson
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• Australia
28 Jul 10
I haven't read the story you have attached to this discussion but from what you've said about it, I think it's wrong for a school (who normally teach individuality & thinking for ourselves) to tell people what they can & can't believe...The US is after all supposed to be a FREE country just like where I am in Australia & a land of opportunity so people living in these free countries should be able to believe what they want to as long as they aren't hurting anyone in the process. I know that the education system has taken the prayer out of American schools which I can understand for a public school...what will they do next? Take "In God We Trust" off the American coins?
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• Australia
28 Jul 10
Wow, I knew it was bad but I didn't realise just how bad it is over there in the schools.
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@Maggiepie (7821)
• United States
3 Aug 10
You think it's bad, just from my few statements above? Then make room for real fear--that was just the tiniest tip of the iceberg! If I related the rest of what's going wrong here, it would tip over my desk if I printed it all out. I mean, how many weeks do you have to devote to reading it all? Maggiepie “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, & to institute new government....” ~ Thomas Jefferson
• Australia
3 Aug 10
WOW!!! I think I'm glad I'm here in Australia then as our public schools aren't like that - not even the universities...I was mainly private schooled & I'm going to send my daughter to a private school too. This is sad that a free country is becoming like that...it's everyone's free will to believe what they want in a free country - well, that's what I thought anyway.
@laglen (19782)
• United States
28 Jul 10
Maggie, I find this crazy and disturbing. Very hypocritical. They had plenty of time to brainwash her but she stayed firm to her beliefs. They will just need to suck it up and give her her degree. Heaven forbid somebody has faith and spirituality. Like you said, it is not the question of homosexuality, rather the question of religion.
@Maggiepie (7821)
• United States
2 Aug 10
Exactly. I have a different version of Christianity from hers, but that has no bearing on her right to believe whatever she believes! I really, really really REALLY REALLY hate/loathe/despise political correctness! It's wrecking our nation, which, since it was a concept created by Stalin, is not surprising. I'm just astounded art how many people tolerate its insidious influence! Maggiepie “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, & to institute new government....” ~ Thomas Jefferson
@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
28 Jul 10
WEll I do hope she wins her case no one should have ot change the way they think just for a school that sound sort of narrow minded. really her religion should have no effect on her grades or graduating grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Nope dont rmeber about the jews and Nazis
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@Maggiepie (7821)
• United States
30 Jul 10
No time to answer letters tonight, but I just had to send you this. It's about political apathy. "First they came…" is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984): "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up." There are several variations. The one that is inscribed in stone at the New England Holocaust Museum is worded a little different, but the message remains the same. It can be seen here: http://www.nehm.org/contents/niemoller.h… Another version seen on a poster at a 2002 peace march in San Francisco is here: http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marc… Pastor Niemöller spent time in a concentration camp. Additional information about him here: http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marc… Maggiepie “We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." ~ Dr. Benjamin Franklin
@Maggiepie (7821)
• United States
2 Aug 10
P.S. By the way, would that it were just that school. Unfortunately, this is becoming the norm! Maggiepie “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, & to institute new government....” ~ Thomas Jefferson
@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
3 Aug 10
THis is way out of line me thinks. and I tried every one of hose links you put in hee and all came up as error page not found!
@dawnald (84148)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Jul 10
While I do not believe that homosexuality is a choice, neither do I believe that a university has the right to expel a student because they do believe that. Outrageous!
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@Maggiepie (7821)
• United States
3 Aug 10
The jury is still out on that one--scientifically-speaking--but you've gotten the point at which I was aiming. And if we don't collectively rear up on our collective hind legs & refuse to allow this sort of crap to occur, then we deserve to lose our freedom of worship & freedom of speech! Maggiepie “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, & to institute new government....” ~ Thomas Jefferson
@quita88 (3716)
• United States
29 Jul 10
I don't believe it's fair or constitutional to ask a person to give up their beliefs. I would think the person who had asked of such should be harshly penalized. I believe in God. I have no particular religion as such but please don't ever ask me to give up my faith in God. Our world is becoming a world of hypocrites as you say and deep within each and every one of us is an inkling of wonder of is there is a God after all?......... My own son, who for years has said he is an atheist has suddenly began to question the "whys" of his life and the lives of his three sons. I was in a reading class with my youngest grandson and much to my amazement was a US flag in the room. I also was told there is still prayer in that very school. I had to smile cuz my own teachings to my son are coming thru even to his off spring... So, I don't think that telling someone to forget their Christian beliefs will be upheld by any court in our land. Condemning one for being a Christian in this country will only start an epidemic of those who do believe rallying for the Christianity of this one student. God will always win out..... God bless our us and our country.
@Maggiepie (7821)
• United States
3 Aug 10
You're correct on both counts, Quita: it's neither fair NOR Constitutional! It remains to be seen if the bozos who tried to steal her grade are punished or not, though. But don't trust the courts to uphold the law--there are too many activist judges in them now! Yes, I, too, have read The Book, & I also know, therefore, how the story ends () ...but that's no reason to think we aren't headed for a heap of agony before it's over! I'm sure you haven't forgotten who is due to come before Christ returns...yes? Yes, let's all pray for God's blessing! Maggiepie “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, & to institute new government....” ~ Thomas Jefferson
@matersfish (6311)
• United States
28 Jul 10
A lot of this is undoubtedly who aspires to teach (read: be in control of) children. If I were a brainwashed, Kool-Aid-drinking, revolution-wanting, Che T-shirt-wearing, life-failing miserable sad sack whose only real mission in life was to find out a way to do what I could never do, then I'd aim at being a teacher. I could at least mold impressionable minds that revere me easier than I could sway opinion at large. The folks 180 degrees from me would probably be successful and career-minded and not as likely to spew their carefully-picked-and-chosen, poorly-woven worldview all over the place.
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@Maggiepie (7821)
• United States
2 Aug 10
Yes, the teachers today sling propaganda to a captive audience, when it comes to grade schools, & in college, they fail students who defy them & don't worship the Marxist rhetoric! Thank God you're NOT the maroon you describe!!! Maggiepie “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, & to institute new government....” ~ Thomas Jefferson
@alaskanray (4642)
• United States
28 Jul 10
This is carrying "PC" to the extreme...more signs of the times. Do these people realize just how insane their actions are? I doubt it. Is it any wonder our nation is going to "H-E-Double toothpick" in a handbasket? Being as this is a public university rather than a private one, many students cannot afford private schools and thus it is a double edged sword since this woman probably cannot afford to change schools to finish her education. All the more reason for them to respect her beliefs. @!#$%^&$#@#$%%# degreed idiots! Saints preserve us! And these are the types who are leading our country? SCARY THOUGHT!!!
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@Maggiepie (7821)
• United States
2 Aug 10
I think most folks are so ill-educated they don't know what's in the Constitution or why it's there at all. And yes, these are the same types running all our major institutions now. The sooner everyone recognizes that scary fact, the sooner we can reverse the trend! Maggiepie “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, & to institute new government....” ~ Thomas Jefferson
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