I wonder why they mainstream, and right wing media didn't notice this?

United States
August 2, 2010 10:39pm CST
On Friday the SEC filed a complaint (their version of an indictment) against two brothers, Sam and Charles Wyly. Most of you probably have never heard of these two Billionaires, but they have legally donated millions to republicans, and unknown amounts of money to 520's (they are believed to be the main source of income to the Swift Boat Vets in 2004). One of the troubling parts of this case is that in 2006 the SEC was ready to file a complaint, but for some reason (many believe they bought their way out of this complaint) the SEC under the administration that benefited greatly from their financial assistance never filed that complaint. Now I know that many of you will say that I am just Bush bashing again, but when will the American people wake up to the fact that our elected officials are bought and sold everyday. And, until we force our elected officials to change the way they are elected this will NEVER change. What do you think about this?
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@anniepa (27238)
• United States
3 Aug 10
I don't know when the American people will wake up to this problem! I mean, those of us who post here regularly for the most part are aware of what goes on but the average voter who pays little attention to politics or government has no true idea. I've been saying forever that we need major campaign finance reform. We need to take big money, big business and lobbyists totally OUT of our election process and politics in general. I don't know what the answer is because if I said campaigns should be publicly funded the anti-government crowd would throw fits and the last think I'D like to see would be for campaigns to be paid for by the candidate because that would mean we'd only have very wealthy people running for office! The Citizens United ruling by the Supreme Court has only made a bad problem many times worse. Did you hear about Target donating $150,000 to a group that is giving to an anti-gay candidate in Minnesota? Annie
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• United States
3 Aug 10
Why should Target get to give anything to a campaign? It is a corporation and not a person..it does not get a vote...so it needs to be kicked out of the process completely.
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• United States
4 Aug 10
The Supreme CORRUPT Court is doing it's masters bidding very well today. While conservatives are crying about activist judges, they were appointing their own all the while.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
10 Aug 10
Anniepa I find it hard to beleive that Target would donate to an anti gay group. Several years ago I asked Target to donate (Discount or gift cards) to the families of troops who were deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. They told me and several others at different stores that they had groups they supported and the military was not on the list. There were several Gay Rights groups were on the list. More and more voters are turning to the Internet to see the different points of view. I think the electorate is becoming more informed but it is not all from the traditional news sources. Now they may not be informed the way many would agree but they are listening to both sides and making up their minds.
@elmiko (6640)
• United States
3 Aug 10
my view is before anyone decides to elect someone is look into their background and what they did in the past with their life,get many opinions from people on respectable websites who were involved with the person before he/she was running for office. don't just go by what a politician supports or doesn't support in his campaign or hype which is just as bad. 24/7 news channels are less reliable and more of a biased view when looking for information on a politician. personally the 30 minute news i watch on cbs almost everyday at 6:30 is more trusted then the news channels. that is if you subtract the Dan Rather screwup he reported on Bush some years back,lol. trusted information is still out there.
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• United States
4 Aug 10
And that Dan Rather thing: I am sure that Karl Rove created that trap, and Rather fell right into it. Give it time.
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@laglen (19782)
• United States
3 Aug 10
I think most of us ARE awake to this fact. I cant speak for anybody else, but I know I am. This happens on both sides of the aisle and has been happening for many many years.
• United States
4 Aug 10
Laglen, I hate to tell you this, but the majority of Americans AREN'T awake. And, that is the problem.
• United States
3 Aug 10
It happens on both sides unforunately. Both sides are already bought and paid for BEFORE they are elected...and a lot of corporations are getting smart and not putting their eggs in one basket. Like the medical and oil companies. They used to just throw money at the republicans...til the realized it really sucked when they lost. Now they throw tons of money at both sides...that way who ever wins...they get taken care of. A lot of companies have followed suit...most don't give to just one side anymore...they give to both and heavily so they have influence no matter who wins. Wall street throws money both ways now too. Look at the last election. they wanted to make sure the dems owed them. We need to change how our campaigns are fianced. We need to outlaw lobbyists. We need to push corporate america out of the process.We need to cut activist groups out of the process. Personally I would like to see individuals only being able to give to campaigns..not lobbyist groups, not corporations, not activist groups and a limit on how much they give to a more reasonable amount. It will lessen the big fish's influence. Now seeing that list...they spread the money around. Spent it on candidates they liked. the party they liked. Nothing wrong with that. We should all be able to support a candidate we like or a pary we like if we want. But the amounts are what bugs me. If you give that kind of money to a candidate or party...then they owe you something...or at least have a responsibility to look out for your interests. Which is wrong. Right now it is a big money grab...you know why? look at past elections. Who ever raises the most money and spends the most money just about always wins. So our politicans (who naturally want to win) go looking to get their hands on every dollar they can. which means to ge the most bang for their time and effort they go after the money from the rich or coporations or activiest groups with deep pockets. We have to change how the game is played if you want to change how they act when they get into office.
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• United States
4 Aug 10
I agree with you LIL, that we need to change the way we elect or our leaders, but the two of us don't stand a chance against Billions of dollars, and lemmings at the polls.
@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
3 Aug 10
This is not a Republican or Democratic problem but a problem with Big Government and the rules they develop to "Protect Us". (from who?) If you study history you will see that every time the government grew so did the corruption. Often times the corruption grew faster than the government. The answer is smaller Government and fewer rules and regulations. Most of our federal elected officials are being paid more than 90% of the population and they work for us! Being elected should be service and not a highly paid career. The government employees are among the best paid and have the best benefits of any group. That should not be, we are paying them more than the average tax payer earns and give them better benefits. One report showed that during the past year government workers faced fewer layoff, the major jobs growth was due to government employment, and received increases in salary, while the private sector lost jobs and salary.
• United States
4 Aug 10
For once I agree with you on the fact that our election system is written by the politicians and the lobbyist, and does nothing make them all corrupt. I agree that NO ONE should be able to vote themselves a raise, and the last people should be people who lie for a living. You are correct that there are some over priced people in our government, and that needs to be addressed. I personally believe that we should look at some of these positions and means test them with the private sector, and find common ground. I also think that the department of defense should cut ALL pay at the pentagon, and give that to the people that actually fight in war. Those guys will make their millions when they retire, and are hired by a defense contractor like they do now!!!!!
@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
10 Aug 10
Maybe we should look at many of the government jobs and see if the jobs could be transferred to the private sector. One area could be health care. Let the private insurance tract medicare/medicaid fraud. Give them a % of what they recover. One report I heard was that private insurance has a 1% fraud rate while the government has a 30% to 35%. Give the private collections agencies get 10% of what they can collect from fraud. Another area would be the County Extension services. Every feed store has people who can perform the same function. I am sure that other people could find many other areas where the government job could be done better and cheaper by the private sector.
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• United States
21 Aug 10
Bob, the only problem with the private sector is that they can be bought. Would you really want to mercenary army that could be purchased by the Chinese? Medicare, and Medicaid are huge departments (about the size of many third world nations), and you know as well as I do that any private company could sign an agreement with another company to find 10% more waste, but continue the corruption, and just sell the other 10% to the highest bidder. The large problem with the private sector is corruption, and the lack of punishment for them. The defense department is about the most corrupt department in our government, and NO ONE stops this corruption, and it is in plain sight of the world.
@xfahctor (14131)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
3 Aug 10
And now that the SEC has been granted immunity to FOIA requests....no more information on this will come out. It's all a grand illusion that we have a "choice" in our elections.
• United States
4 Aug 10
I am not sure what you are talking about X. From what I learned about this, the case has been a matter of controversy for years. If you have more information on this, I am always more than happy to hear what you know.
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@xfahctor (14131)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Aug 10
Sorry, I jumped a bit quickly when I answered this, something I generally try to avoid doing but despite popular belief, I am in fact not perfect...no no...no argument please, I know it's hard to believe, but I'm not.... Ok seriously though, why didn't the right wing media cover it? I believe you answered your own question a couple times in your post with a few lines: "but they have legally donated millions to republicans, and unknown amounts of money to 520's (they are believed to be the main source of income to the Swift Boat Vets in 2004)" "the SEC under the administration that benefited greatly from their financial assistance never filed that complaint" Why didn't the rest of them cover it? Hard to say. I went on a dig for old stories on it andI couldn't even find a whisper of it. Perhaps with the deluge of stories they already had to use at the time in reporting against the former administration, this one just seemed a bit dry? Either that or these two billionaires are more powerful and influential than we think? Either way, all the information we have right now is all the information we will likely get unless the SEC decides to release it on their own since they are now immune to FOIA requests. I can't see them having reason to with hold the information but who knows....government is and does what it is and does.
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@BStuff (498)
• United States
3 Aug 10
That's the way the world goes round. It's not just one side. Both sides play dirty. You can't say Fox news it not grossly right wing. They purposely put things on their to make liberals look stupid. And they are paid a lot to do that. But on the other side CNN does the same thing for the left side. Money equals media control which equals power in this country. Everyone is thinking about their bottom line and lining their back pockets. I have no idea how we would change it, though one big factor right now is the internet. The government can't control blogging, therefore they can't control the media with the powerful hand they once had. People are forming their own opinions and sharing them. This scares the hell out of the big wigs. This is how many we can regain control.
• United States
4 Aug 10
Bstuff, you are correct that this happens all the time on both sides of the isle. I also agree that FOX is far right, but I wouldn't put CNN in the same conversation as FOX, more like MSNBC. CNN has actually allowed dissenting voices on their networks, look where Glenn Beck got his TV break, unlike both MSNBC, and FOX. I agree that the internet has changed everything, but not always for the good. One of the problems that you have is that not everything on the internet is true, or the whole story. Not only that, but when you find something out that no one knows, or wants you to know you are called CRAZY, or in my case UNAMERICAN. The sad part about this country is that the majority of people want to live in the dream world of their fathers, and mothers. They don't want to know about what is going on around them, because if they knew they would have to change it, and the don't want their dream world to change. Even if it kills them by NOT changing it.
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