I feel like a bad person...

United States
August 7, 2010 2:38pm CST
Here's the deal. We got a Golden Lab puppy 6 months ago from someone. We fell in love with how beautiful he is. We love him so much but he chews everything up, he chews my kids toys, he goes in the garbage and brings it all over the house, he is SO hyper, he jumps on my kids and anyone that comes to my house and he is just to much to handle. So, today I made the decision to give him up. I just put the ad up and I feel SO guilty like I'm giving up part of my family. I have gotten a trainer for him but I can't afford to keep paying her, I got a crate for him which made things a little worse, I am just out of options with him... I am going to make sure he goes to a great home, I will not let just anyone take him from us. Do you guys think I am a bad person for giving him up? Thoughts please but I'm feeling bad enough so please be nice to me.
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
8 Aug 10
My Puppy Angel - This is Puppy I received for my anniversary June 6.2010 Her name is Angel and she is a black Lab.
I know exactly what your dealing with. Me and my husband received a black lab puppy in June for our anniversary from my parents. Our puppy is so adorable and we fell in love as soon as she turned those lovely eyes at us. But she chews everything even though we bought her chew toys and things. She chews on them for awhile but ends up going back to our stuff. After my nephew came over and played with her a little roughly which I stopped when I noticed. Well, now she not only chews but wants to bite everyone and grab at their clothes if they move she has ripped some of our clothes doing that. My husband has been telling me a few weeks now that she has to go and she is now tied up outside since she when we had her on the porch she got into everything and when she got off the porch she would go to the neighbors and chew their shoes and stuff outside. It is hard. I am trying to hang on to her as long as I can but my husband is constantly saying she has to go. I feel she is apart of our little family. He loved her till she chewed his stuff..and started the biting. I do hope you will be able to find her a special home that will treat her like the special animal she is.
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• Canada
8 Aug 10
Britt... how can you blame mtdewgurl for what someone else did?
• Canada
8 Aug 10
Hmmm, you don't look like Britt.... But I will respond just the same since you wish to interject here, as well. The chewing was one issue, but by reading mtdewgurl's statement above, the biting was the last straw. And since her husband also lives there and makes half of the decisions and has half the say, she can't just overrule him completely either. She is between a rock and a hard place. So, belittling her isn't going to get your point across any better. Just like you expect the dog to be the only concern, it is not, sorry. Her household and family and neighbours also come into play. Constructive criticism is better than harsh criticism alot of the time. Every heard the expression, "You attract more bees to honey than to vinegar"?
8 Aug 10
im sorry but shame on you!!.everyone knows puppies are hyper and chew and you should have noticed your nephew was being rough with him..now the poor puppy has become defensive after your nephew badly treated him,how dare you call him your angel puppy when this is your fault?im so angry with you!!!
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@urbandekay (18278)
7 Aug 10
It is not wrong to give him up but a shame you didn't think it through before getting him all the best urban
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• United States
7 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) We did think it through before we got him. We had no idea how hyper he would be and how much he would chew things up around here. Were renting this house, it's not ours so he cannot chew up the carpet and everything else in our house, we have to pay for all of that. I have never in my life seen a dog with this much energy and all of these bad habits!
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@urbandekay (18278)
7 Aug 10
Well, any owner could have told you and Labs are quite a docile breed try dealing with Collies! Citronella training spray works well at preventing chewing all the best urban
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• United States
7 Aug 10
Well, if you were getting $200 for him would you tell anyone of his bad habits? Probably not. Of course she hid his bad habits from us, she was worried about the money not him.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
8 Aug 10
Hi lilangelspreschool, NO...you are not a bad person at all. Puppies are as much time and work as kids are and sometimes more. Where you already have little kids then I can see where it could be overwhelming. I think it is a kinder decision to find a good home for the dog than to keep him when you don't have the time or anything to properly train him. Labs are beautiful dogs and I'm sure you won't have a problem finding an owner.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
9 Aug 10
Yes, these things happen. It is hard to imagine a dog being so much work if you haven't gone thru it before. I can't imagine why someone be critical to her over this decision. It sounds to be the best thing for both the dog and her family and as you said, it is a very difficult decision. At least she is trying to find a decent home for the dog and not just drop it off somewhere like so many people do!
• Canada
8 Aug 10
I agree with you completely. If she has found it to be overwhelming, and too much financial strain on the family household, something has to give. A human being can only do so much. It is hard enough making the decision to give him away, without some people chastising her so strongly for making that heart wrenching decision for the benefit of the dog. Giving him away now, while he is still young enough to be trainable for someone else, before these bad habits they can't seem to keep up with become entrenched, is best, I think.
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• United States
11 Aug 10
Thank you both for understanding =) I could understand everyone being angry if I said I was going to drop him off somewhere, heck I would be mad too about that. I said I wanted to find a good and loving home for him. Not to sure why some reacted the way they did but oh well, that's life I suppose =)
• Canada
8 Aug 10
I guess it all depends on how much you love the dog. If you really wanted to keep him, you could try many different things. But that said, there are some animals that just don't work out, too. It is a personal choice. To have a dog, a big breed like that, you have to be willing and able to walk them or have a big fenced yard to give them tons of exercise. Keeping them inside all the time makes so they have lots of pent up engery to expell and they have to do it somehow. Plus, puppies (considered a pup up to 18 mos) have new teeth coming in so they are 'teething' and NEED something to chew on as their baby teeth are lost and their adult teeth come in. You can provide many suitable things for them to chew on. Rawhide bones, pig ears, wood sticks, etc. Garbage..that is a very bad habit and some people must keep their garbage outside or in a room that the dog just cannot get into for that reason. It is a very difficult habit to break once established. Really and truly, dogs are easiest to train as puppies, so now is the best time to nip those bad habits in the bud, or else the dog may have these habits ingrained in him for all time. Routines, regular routines, are one of the best training tools for dogs. They get to know routines and count on them staying the same. If they know they will get to go outside, they will get excited in anticipating it, because they love to have space to run and romp and play. And they need it, too. But, you need to be dedicated to keeping the dog as part of the family to go to some of the lengths that are needed to keep you and him both happy together. It is your choice, ultimately, and maybe a big breed dog just wasn't what you were prepared for. A person should research what is required for the type of dog they are considering getting first, to decide if they are willing and able to do what is necessary and put up with some things that simply won't change.
• Israel
8 Aug 10
chica - My dog Chica with Gray Ball
LOL I just remembered my dog, Yafa, and the garbage. I had to keep it on the counter. I also put child locks on my cupboards. She was such a naughty dog when she thought I wouldn't find out. Never did naughty things in front of me. She always waited until my back was turned. I put thousands of hours into her training. I think it was her stubborn Cocker genes mixed with her smart GSD genes. My other dog was easy to train. She was wild born, so it should have been hard. She never tried to get away with things. She's half Saluki and half Canaan Dog. Saluki is a greyhound and Canaan dogs are the native dog of Israel.
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@minx267 (15553)
• Hartford, Connecticut
8 Aug 10
Beautifully said!
• Canada
8 Aug 10
I will try to be nice. Being nice might not help your dog. The trainer you r paying. What is she doing. Jumping up on people can be shown not to do in a short time. 1 st by the the trainer then the trainer has to show u how to manage your pet. Leash, jumping up come , sit alll your basic. Nothing happens over night. Persistance and will p[ower, taining is important for all pets. Training starts when you bring the pet in your house, then like kids, never stops. How do u think all these dogs on T v etc. learn. Believe me not by showing just once. I train dogs Professionally for obediance and guard for households and companies.. If u don't show the dog who is the boos and NOT BY BEING MEAN OR BEATING IT, the pet will show u that it is the boss...
• Canada
11 Aug 10
In all training. You DO NOT have to be mean, in fact NEVER BE MEAN, the dog will never learn properly. All you have to do is be firm and show your dog/ pet that he will do as you tell it to Sit Heal Come Down, you will see they luv u 4 it. A walk is always a good idea for u and your pets A friend is a good idea. As you can see by my pic I can never have just 1
• United States
11 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) I got a play mate for him. She is older, trained and more mellow than he is. He has gotten lots of energy out and he hasn't destroyed anything either! I'm happy I get to keep my boy. Yeah, I have a problem with being "the boss" sometimes. He listens much better to my husband because he knows my hubby isn't playing.
@GDTimothy (446)
• United States
8 Aug 10
You are certainly not a bad person to give him up if you can't handle him!! It is better that the dog gets a home where someone can handle him. But these dogs need exercise, and lots of it! And not just play time inside the house. The dog needs to be walked at least 30 minutes twice a day. This is fulfilling your dog's needs. The dog needs to be challenged, physically and behaviorally. He cannot be allowed to dominate and must learn that you are the pack leader. Dogs are, after all, pack animals and they understand the role that the alpha plays. Yes, crating a dog for long periods is sure to make things worse, because the dog has no outlet for his energies. That's why they need plenty of structured physical exercise. Many people use the treadmills they have for their pets. It just takes a little persistence to get the dog used to walking/running on the treadmill, and many dogs end up loving to do the treadmill. But, like I said, if you can't provide the best environment for your dog, the environment that your dog needs, the exercise he needs, etc., then it is indeed best that you give up the dog to someone who can better care for him. So, you are not a bad person at all! It is much more commendable and brave that you are simply doing the best thing for your dog. :-)
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
9 Aug 10
I quite agree. It is nothing to do with being bad or good just what is right for you as a person. All dogs need lots of exercise but small dogs are better for people who cannot walk their dogs regularly. It is also best to give up the dog when young so they can bond with someone new.
@GardenGerty (157050)
• United States
7 Aug 10
Giving him up to good home is not bad. Banishing him to the outdoors or neglecting and abusing him would be bad. It is hard to have an animal and keep a house as well.
• United States
7 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) Thank you also for understanding. Right now most of the time he is in his crate or playing outside because the minute I let him out of the crate he chews things up. It doesn't even take him a minute to find something else to destroy. It's an unfair situation and I feel terrible about it but I have tried every option I can think of.
@elmiko (6630)
• United States
8 Aug 10
no, your not a bad person. bad people neglect their animals by leaving them in very cruel conditions such as leaving from home and not returning for months,not feeding them,or violence. people certainly can't let animals tear their house apart. i also had a golden lab that did the same thing except he wasn't a puppy when we first got him. we decided to have him as an outside dog. a few times i would try to let my golden lab stay in for the night but like yours he was into everything dragging things out as well as chewing on things. i still even have a coffee table where he had chewed the side off of it even though he passed away back in 1996. anyway after those few tries I knew I could not have him staying in the whole night. he was a very good dog otherwise and was very friendly. i had a good time as a kid playing with him in the backyard. he was a very big dog and probably weight around 100lbs. he would run up the hill and then run back down and jump on me and of course I would fall to the ground as he played and licked my face. yeah he was rough but i enjoyed it.
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• United States
8 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) Thank you for understanding too! Since you had a lab you know how destructive they can be. I did find a happy solution for us though =) I got another dog to keep him company and to get his energy out. He hasn't messed up anything in our house at all. I am so happy and relieved
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
9 Aug 10
I know all about puppies chewing everything in sight. I have a 14 month old dog that still chews things. They do eventually grow out of it and you can teach them not to do it by telling them no when you see them doing it. You can train the dog yourself. He will want to please you so you tell him no and then give him something he is allowed to chew. When they are teething they chew most of all. I do not have a lot of money so I made toys of old sheets. I tore the sheet into strips and plaited it into a sort of home made rope bone. She had lots of fun with it and I would just clean up the mess later. She hardly chews anything now except her own bedding and twigs she brings in from outside. If you want a dog you have to learn to train them not to chew your stuff. You don't need a trainer just yourself. It takes time. While you are training him you keep all your stuff out of reach and restrict him to areas that are ok. With the garbage you need to store that in a place he cannot get to. We use plastic bins with bin liners and our dogs never get into it. With the kids toys you need to train him not to chew them by saying no adn giving him his own toy or keeping them off the floor. The same is true of jumping on people. You just need to tell him no and let him no how angry you are at this behaviour. Dogs do not like disaproval.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Aug 10
hi lilangelspreschool no you sure are not a bad person. we once had a puppy who was so destructive and so over keyed he destroyed everything in our living room with just the swipe of his tail. we finally could not take it anymore and gave him to a family who was family with black labs and their ways and also lived on a farm so he had more places to run.He chewed everything and nothing was safe from him. We later got an older mixed breed dog whom we loved dearly and finally a pure bred doxie who was drowned b y some teen aged boys who wanted to see if it could swim. the parents did pay me the cost of the dog but that did not stop the hurt, I loved that little guy so much. I never had another dog after that, too much hurt tooo much pain.
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• United States
7 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) Thank you so much for understanding! I have tried everything I could think of. This makes me feel terrible but is it better to have him destroy my house and everything in it? It's really not fair to us either. I'm sorry for your loss. This is really going to break my heart too but I don't know what else to do. With my 3 kids, I just don't have time to play with for 2 hours every day, and it's not fair to Prince either to be stuck in a crate all the time either. Thanks for being supportive =)
@Porcospino (31367)
• Denmark
8 Aug 10
I can easily relate to your situation, and I don't think that you are a bad person at all. Almost one year ago my husband and I got a golden retriever puppy, we love him, but he is hyper and he has damaged many, many things. We have talked a lot about giving him up, because we figured that it would be better for him to live on a farm or at a bigger place than our house, and because he was too much for us to handle. Eventually we decided to keep him and the situation has improved a little, he still pretty wild, but it is getting better. It came as a big surprice for me that he was so hyper and difficult to handle, because I have had other golden retrievers who were completety different and I somehow expected that he would be like the others, but that isn't the case at all. I don't think that you have a reason feel guilty, when he is too much for you, the best thing you can do is to find a great home for him. I know how hard it is to make that decision, but sometimes it is nessesary to make a decision like that.
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• United States
11 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) Thank you also for understanding where I was coming from. I'm glad I found a solution and got him a play mate. His energy has gone down a lot and he hasn't destroyed anything since we got the other dog. He was just bored I guess. I'm happy and relieved =)
• Portugal
8 Aug 10
When I started reading your story I thought you were going to tell us you had abandoned your dog - I got to tell you I was mad at you already. But this is a completely different situation, dogs have personalities too. My dog is very quite, she doesn't chew, she doesn't bite, she's not euphoric and is really easy to take care of. Some dogs, like yours need a lot of attention, and sometimes we just can't give them that. You're doing the right thing. If he's such an handful it's because he's not that happy in your home either, he needs more space or attention; hopefully his new family will be able to provide that for him and you'll all be much happier.
• United States
8 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) I would NEVER leave a dog like that, I love him and all animals! I'm to sensitive and caring for that. I found a happy solution. I think he was bored and that's why he was being destructive. So, we got another (Trained) dog to keep him company. He hasn't messed anything up since!! And he's getting his energy out from playing with her. I'm so happy and relieved that he's going to stay with us! =)
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• India
8 Aug 10
Hello, Dog is like a child. When u bring a puppy home, the feeling should always be that I have brought another baby home. Your puppy is too young. He will chew everything he likes till he is minimum of 1 year old. Then slowly he will leave all these habits behind. My dog is now three and a half years old. Earlier, whenever I changed bedsheets, he had to chew them. He made holes in every blanket. Even the expensive ones. But now, he is so calm that sometimes I wish he was naughty again. He sleeps through out the day. It is only in the evening that he is fully awake and plays for around half an hour. So, my advice to u is to drop the idea of sending him away, keep patience for few more months and u will hv a lovable companion. More considerate and more affectionate than yr own children. I am sorry but it is a fact. Our children are busy in their own world, but the dog lives for us only.
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• United States
11 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) I guess I'm lucky because my babies are very lovable. My kids are very affectionate and since their young right now I am their world =) I did find a solution though. We got a play mate for him. She is older and trained and he hasn't destroyed anything since then! I'm so happy =)
@ench815 (465)
• Philippines
7 Aug 10
Don't feel so bad. Getting a dog is like having another baby. If you're not ready to take care of one, then finding someone who is ready to take care of it, is the kindest solution. My daughter recently got a three month old shih tzu as a gift. She really tries to take care of it well but I still get my share of the job when she's at school. Fortunately, I am a housemama. Lately, it's been trying to chew on our slippers so we are right now trying to train casper (that's his name) on our own. But it really takes time and effort to do that.
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• United States
7 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =)
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
8 Aug 10
Hi lilangelspreschool You are not a bad Person I have been with Dogs all my Life I love Dogs and I have always had a Dog, mine have been rescue Dogs and all turned out the most loving Dogs you could have Dogs that are rescue and Puppies need a lot of attention and caring, also training, it is hard work, you have Children so a Puppy is not easy to cope with, the little Fellow is only 6 months old, he is still going through teething stage, also through the stage how much can I get away with, they are like children I am glad that you have realized it is to much specially with little Children about to, you are finding him a good Home and I hope that you will find a very good one, but no you are not a bad Person, you are doing the right thing Till you do try this Chewing...............when he chews show him the item, tap him on the Nose, then put a Mussel on him for about 10 minutes tell he was naughty, also try getting him a Chew Bone it might stop him getting the Toys Jumping up............... they do this because they are happy, you need to put him back down and tell him no in a stern voice Garbage................make sure he can't get to it when he tries again tell him no Always look at him direct when you are rectifying him I hope this helps a bit till you manage to find a good Home for him
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
16 Aug 10
My new puppy was about 9 months old when I got her and she was into chewing things. She too had had no training.I gave her lots of toys to play with but she would still chew the old piece of carpet at the front door.I moved her out the back with my other dog and the goats and she is much busier out there. She follows Lucy everywhere and now she sleeps when Lucy does. I brought her back the other day because she was full of burrs and prickles after just a couple of hours outside so I again put her out the front and she no longer chews the carpet. Puppies are like children, you have to train them and discipline them and give them lots of attention. For the first 2 years pups need a LOT of interaction with the family. Some very active dogs continue to need lots of attention and activity, if they are left alone, they become bored, just like humans do. Dogs are a pack animal, meaning they belong to a group of dogs and when they go to a family of humans the humans become the pack. Have you done the right thing? Absolutely. This doggy needs lots of room, another dog and an active family who have a lot of time for him.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
17 Aug 10
I was the same as you and I spoke to my vet about it. Dogs aree considered puppies till they are two so expect continued puppy like behaviour for a while yet. I can see my little one grow up as she achieves things...she's a wee little thing but she's brave and wants to be in on everything. I'm so glad you got the other dog, because your lovely pup sounds like an awesome dog. I so hope everything works out for you all.
• United States
16 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) I do know all of that, I didn't think at 11 months old he would still be this hyper and destructive though. The good news is we don't have to let him go because we got another dog for him to play with so my husband is happy he isn't destroying anything anymore so he said Prince can stay with us! The dog we got is older, trained and much more mellow than Prince. She's kind of teaching him for us =)
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• United States
17 Aug 10
Thank you =) My dogs are awesome and I'm so happy Prince isn't coming between my marriage anymore...
@TheCatLady (4691)
• Israel
8 Aug 10
All dogs need training. If he chews shoes or the kids stuff it's not his fault. It's the humans fault for not picking everything up. All dogs need a walk every day. Even if you have a yard, the dog still needs to walk. You need to spend countless hours training a dog. It's a lot of work. It takes a lot of time.
• United States
8 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) So, it's my fault he goes in their TOY BOX and grabs their toys out? REALLY??? Your joking right? Yes, their TOY BOX! It's an open toy box and when my back is turned taking care of MY CHILDREN he goes in their rooms and takes their toys and chews them. I am finding out there are a lot of perfect people here. I didn't know anyone was perfect in this world...Hmm
• Israel
8 Aug 10
Yes it's your fault. You need to be watching your puppy all the time. The house needs to be puppy proofed.
• United States
8 Aug 10
He is 11 months old for one and for two my CHILDREN COME FIRST in my life before a DOG!!
@quita88 (3715)
• United States
8 Aug 10
No, you are not a bad person. Remember you are doing the right thing for the dog as well as yourself. On a personal level, I too have labs. They are hyper and enjoy rough housing. I had one, I named her Newbie and had I been smarter I'd have had her trained but instead she got run over and killed. I now have another one against my own rules for labs as they are too much dog........ Labs are hunting dogs. They need to run and also need much discipline. I have kept this one cuz some idiot dumped her but I've had to be really rough with her. I've disciplined her and cried. But, it's paid off. I've not beat her but had to spat her and use loud prompts to make her quit jumping on people, me and even destroying things. Give the dog to someone who knows labs and remember they are just too hyper for a normal person. The dog's rights are as important as yours are. Take care and get a more domestic type of dog. The lab will be a much happier dog in the care of someone who knows labs.
@quita88 (3715)
• United States
8 Aug 10
Yes, all dogs are different and have different needs, energy, appetites, etc. I am glad it's working out for you cuz labs can be the most protective of dogs. I have one, Galeena, who is only part lab and she's been an angel for me. She is getting old as I am LOL but without her over the last 8 years I think I'd have gone crazy. I am sooo glad this dog is going to stay with you cuz you sound an excellent person who really does care. God bless.
• United States
8 Aug 10
Thank you. I'm really happy and I do really love my baby. I was between my husband and the dog because my husband hated all the things he did. It was breaking my heart and apparently people aren't realizing that. I like to think I am a really caring person, I try to be. =)
• United States
8 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) However, I have grown up with labs all of my life and I have NEVER seen one as hyper as this one is...NEVER!!! And, I got another dog who is trained so my dog is getting his energy out and has not destroyed anything since we got her. He was bored and he had a lot of energy, more than a few walks a day could have handled. He was going for walks during the day and I was taking him outside and throwing a ball for him while my kids were napping. He STILL had tons of energy!!
• China
8 Aug 10
I donot think you are a bad person . I suggest that you should train him firstly , making him correct his bad behaviors . If he still can not fellow you . Then you could give him to your good friend who love animals , so he will take care of your puppy . Good luck .
• Canada
8 Aug 10
I don't think you understand. She cannot afford to keep paying for his destruction and more training, too, so that is one of the main reasons for giving him away to someone else who does.
• Canada
8 Aug 10
AWESOME! Very glad you got it sorted. Yes, boredom in dogs can be quite distressing for everyone, you and dog. They get into all sorts of trouble. I have a Border Collie (sheep herding dog) and I was told before I got her, that if I didn't have any sheep to herd, that she would likely go out and find some to herd. lol Border Collie's are very energetic and are a 'go, go, go' type for sure. Not a good housedog, unless you are doing energetic workouts daily with them.
• United States
8 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) Thank you Annie for clarifying for me I did find a happy solution though. I got another dog to keep him company, wear him out and he has not messed with anything since. I think he was just really bored. I'm so happy and relieved =)
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• United States
7 Aug 10
Labs need lots of attention. My friend got one for her mother in law, and since she was elderly she wasnt able to train the dog properly.She had to give him up. Labs when trained are one of the best family dogs, and are exceptional with kids. Like with any puppy, they need lots of attention just like a child does. They go through their phases. If you have a nice sized yard for the dog to run it, that might help...have someone through a ball or a stick and get some running time in.I have a Pom puppy and I keep teething bones on hand for her, Nylabones found at Pet Smart, she loves them, and it deters her from chewing on our shoes..... Labs love to play but need lots of room. I hope you find a very good, and loving home for him. I wouldn't think you'd have any problems.
• Canada
8 Aug 10
That's too bad that others have chastised you for trying to do the right thing in finding him another home that has more time to try and retrain him. I think you are right to give him away to someone who is willing to take him and love him and try to work through his bad habits. It is obvious he is not the right fit for your family, so I think it would be worse for everyone in keeping him. Some people, eh? I guess you just can't please them all.
• United States
7 Aug 10
Thanks for your response =) Thank you also for being the nicest person on here to me right now. I feel bad and people are making me feel worse about it. I love Prince, he's just to much with 3 kids. I didn't expect him to be so hyper and destructive. I do have a fenced in yard but unless I'm out there to play with him he chews things up out there too!
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• United States
8 Aug 10
Thank you for understanding =) I'm learning quick that there is no way to please them all although I keep trying like an idiot!!
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