Religion and the Savior

Indonesia
August 13, 2010 7:37pm CST
Do you believe that just by believing you'll be saved in religion? Just curious.
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@Hatley (152140)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Aug 10
man2sting, boy do you sting, I believe in God and Jesus and I believe I am saved as Jesus went to the cross for us. but I also continue to live a good and kind to every one life. I dislike these discussions as they breed so much flaming and insulting.
• Indonesia
15 Aug 10
No insulting at all. The conclusion leads to contemplation. No compulsion to agree with me. To me, you're still a good friend. If only you're able to see my good intention.
@2004cqui (2823)
• United States
16 Aug 10
Amazingly enough no one has "flamed or insulted anyone in this conversation. It is enlightening only about individual beliefs. We are all kind in mylot in general. Happy myloting!
• Indonesia
17 Aug 10
You're all guys are honorable guests, to me here. Thanks
• India
14 Aug 10
What you believe in is important. To be saved one must believe in God and in His Word. Once a person believes in God, the onus to guide and save him rests with God. Just as if someone asks me for the way the onus to guide him rests with me; in the same way the onus to save the person who believes in God rests with Him.
• Indonesia
15 Aug 10
achilles2010, I respect your idea, and again, I'm not trying to outdo you. I was just wondering referring to your illustration about barber at that time. About savior, if we really want to use our logic, this what comes to mind: barber, doctor, vet, plumber and so on won't take the initiative to come to you unless you call them. Sounds absurd if they come to you, let alone, offering themselves to fulfill all your needs and send his son which part of them and their spirit. All you guys commenting here, are great people and there's no way of me to insult or discredit your religion. I'd like to promote logic, because I believe all of us like to contemplate. Anyway, no compulsion to agree with me. Thank you, best wishes!
• India
15 Aug 10
I thank you man2sting for your comments. Barber's example was an analogy I had drawn to emphasize that we must seek God. God would not seek us. God does not give us anything just for asking. He would give you what you need and ask only if your deserve it. You have toiled for it and you have been thankful to him for the things he had already given. I will give you another example. We want fruit, so we sow the seed. We water the plant and nurture it. We pluck the fruit, and ask for more. God will not give you more fruit just because you had toiled and raised the plant. He would ask you then, where the seed is. He would tell you I gave you the fruit with seed, so that you may plant it again so that others too might eat the fruit as you have eaten. Concerning Son, we all are sons of God. Then, what is so special about Jesus that Christians regard Him only as Son of God? Jesus had God's very essence in him, which we all do not have. That essence of God made Him different from rest of us. He sent His Son because he himself cannot come. One single drop of God's essence in just one human alone is enough to sweeten the entire humanity. I do not know if I have answered your question fully, but please feel free to ask if you have any more doubts.
• Indonesia
16 Aug 10
I've already known about the analogy of barber. I just wonder why you can't be honest to yourself. Your sons-of-God statement contradicts your candid words.
@bird123 (10295)
• United States
14 Aug 10
Saved from what??? We are already eternal. God fixed this ahead of time. Don't worry. God won't fry His children either. There are better things to do with wayward children. As for religion and believing, they have to make it easy so they can get more followers.How much easier can it get than just believe??
• Indonesia
14 Aug 10
On the contrary, God will fry anybody regarding himself as son of Him. That's a mockery, to Him. Ever thought this logic?
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• Indonesia
15 Aug 10
Say, there's a slave, not only he disregard you, but also hummiliate you to the world. As a king, what would you do? Don't ever try it to the KING of the kings!
@lizzyt2007 (1312)
• Craig, Alaska
17 Aug 10
I believe to be saved is more than saying a pray and then believing it. To be saved in my opinion is asking God to be a part of your life and then getting baptized and putting God and his laws first in your life before anything else. John 8:32- the truth will set you free.
• Indonesia
17 Aug 10
I appreciate what you believe. Contemplation is indeed a must in religion to get enlightened, right? Thank you.
@jak2010 (1550)
• Papua New Guinea
14 Aug 10
Depends on what relgion you follow, in mine, I believe and follow the Lord, but I wont follow it properly complete, thus I believe in the saviour, despite my weakness.
• Indonesia
15 Aug 10
My religion stresses the important of logic even to things considered miracles. Therefore, things will be unmistakable. As to savior, this is questionable.
• Thailand
14 Aug 10
Saved from what? Original sin, that strange and near sadistic concept that breeds the belief that all human kind is born in a state of evil and only by following the dogma of a religion as interpreted by church elders can a person be redeemed. This has lead to an interpretation that excuses all in Christianity as long as Jesus is embraced. Good works are deemed of no consequence but all is forgiven if only you hold Jesus is in your heart. Better the concept of Islam founded on the idea of charity or Buddhism where the center point of the teachings is to do no harm.
• Indonesia
15 Aug 10
Therefore, logic should be there to urge man to think and think and think, so that nobody will ever dare keep doing sins. The savior or something which comes up as absurd is good news for sinners, themselves. Our sins are ours, that's fair! Thank you.
@kharlav (1673)
• Philippines
14 Aug 10
No religion nor a church can save a person. It is only through believing the Saviour will a person be saved. Believing is a lot of work. It doesn't really work just by saying that you believe but not showing the same way. God judges the heart and not the action. IN the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks - which means if you truly believe in your heart then it will show through your actions, ex. speaking about the Savior etc.
• Indonesia
15 Aug 10
I agree. No religion nor church can save a person. And neither can a savior. Your sins're yours.
@2004cqui (2823)
• United States
14 Aug 10
I believe that if you live a good life, help those who need help and realize God created everything you will go on. There are a great many people in the world who cannot read. They either have personal challenges or no access to the written word much less outsiders. They know nothing about the written word or our "New Found" religion and faith. After all its only been a few thousand years man has talked about such a concept. There are people who live better lives than those of us who can quote the Bible. Who does God love best? I believe when we go in peace and love we have done our job.
• Indonesia
15 Aug 10
Love is important in religion and so is logic, because without logic, things will be always absurd and questionable. Thank you, peace!