Am I a dreamer or a racist?

Canada
August 18, 2010 2:54pm CST
I dont think of myself as being racist, but to be honest, Im not in contact with much people from other countries as I live in the country here in Canada. The only people from other countries that Im in contact with are on here. So maybe all of you can tell me. Maybe you all feel the same. I dont like to travel, Ive only been to Miami once and New York once also a long time ago. I watch a lot of travel shows and this is how I learn a little about other countries. I was watching a movie last nite and it took place in London, England. The action was taking place in the streets of London and to my surprise, all the pedestrians in the movie were Arabs, Chinese, Japanese, etc.....not much Brits as Im used to see them in tv shows. Same with movies from the US or any country for that matter. I dont feel like Im looking at a specific country anymore. Let me try to explain. If Im watching a show from the UK lets say, well I expect to see Englishmen with their umbrellas and fancy hats going to work. If I watch a movie from France, I expect to see a frenchman with his hat and bread under his arm. You get the picture? (no pun intended lol) I feel as if the other countries have lost their "essence" of who they are as a nation, as a people because now its all mixed up!!! When I go to the mall here where I live, I mostly see white Canadians. People like me. But when I go to the city (Montreal) well Im not sure in what country I am anymore. I could walk into a store and not be able to understand a word the owner is saying as he cant speak English nor French ?!?!? This is not Montreal!! IF I were to go in another country, Id want to see the people who live there, who are from that country. Is there something wrong with me and my expectations? Are we losing the beauty and the essence of who we are as a specific nation, from a specific country? Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against other people living in my country, but I dont want to lose what my country is about anymore than I want Italians not to be Italians anymore......do I make sense?? Tell me what you really thing, dont worry I wont get mad at you if you disagree with me. Im honestly very troubled now and I need you to speak your mind.
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• United States
18 Aug 10
Well, Canada is a little bit like the U.S. only that you guys don't have nearly the kind of problems that we have here. I don't think that you all will ever really lose your country, but you have to understand that the world is changing, and that people are living in different parts of the globe now. I saw "Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World" and I know that the author of "Scott Pilgrim" is Canadian. My father is from Canada, and when I was in the hospital I met a man from Canada, and I know that Canadians take great pride in their country. In Canada, people speak English or French or both. Whereas America is becoming more diverse and more of a melting pot, so will Canada in the years to come. I think that Canada is afraid of becoming like the U.S. and I cannot say that I blame them. There are some people from other countries that are willing to embrace the Canadian and American cultures, but then you have those who come to the countries and aren't so willing. Just try to keep an open mind. I have learned to speak Spanish because I live in California, and the majority of people here speak Spanish and English. I have learned to adjust to the Latino and American cultures. I actually feel like I am part of the Latino culture now. I also try to learn ideas and terminology in both languages, so that I can educate the public. I am sure that being from Canada you know English and French, or you know English and know a little bit of French, but you know to embrace the English and French cultures because that is what Canada is.
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• Canada
19 Aug 10
Yes I do speak both languages......and as you said, "that is what Canada is" but it might not be anymore with people from every country. I have nothing against them coming here but we now have parts of town that is Chinatown, other parts are Italians and Greeks and etc. So what used to be "Canadian" before is NOT anymore. Thats what Im afraid of, that all our beautiful Canadian Landmarks will be destroyed or replaced with landmarks from other countries. I dont want to see the Eiffel Tower here in the middle of Montreal.....I want to see it in Paris, France where it belonged.......know what I mean? Thanks for sharing and you're right, I dont want it to become like you down South.
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• United States
19 Aug 10
Yeah, I understand, you don't want to see the beauty of you country being destroyed, and I know how you feel about that. Where I live, we have Chinatown, Olvera Street, Little Tokyo, and other places, and that's okay because that's what makes Los Angeles, but would I want to see that on or near the Grand Canyon, no, would I want to see that in the Angeles National Forrest, no. It's like, I wouldn't go to China and build the Vatican there without permission from the Chinese, but I wouldn't want to because it belongs in Italy, not China. Also, I want to go visit those places, I want to see those places, not the other way around. Those places lose their allure if they are in my backyard.
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• Canada
20 Aug 10
Yes precisely how I feel also. We want to see the beauty of the Vatican IN Italy and nowhere else. I guess Im not the only dreamer then! Thanks!!
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@lulu1220 (1010)
• United States
18 Aug 10
I grew up in a very diverse neighborhood and went to a very diverse school. I had friends of all races. For a short time I moved away from this area and went to a school that was mostly caucasian and I did not like it. Not because of that, but because the kids there were mean. They were mean to me and others as well. Eventually I moved back to the place I used to live and really liked the school. I still talk to some of them today, but mostly online. It seems that people are immigrating to other countries more and more. I know that is still the case here in America..after all we are called the country of immigrants. You have to remember that watching something in a movie or on TV about a specific place and the people there is based on stereotypes. For example, anytime there is a movie or tv show based in Texas or on Texans, it is always the same. Everyone has thick accents, wears cowboy boots and lives on a farm. We all like country music and are very conservative. I am a native Texan and this does not describe me at all. I know lots of native Texans that are not anything like this. Don't get me wrong, we do have Texans like this. Anyway I do not think you are racist. You are just curious about this and that is understandable.
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• Canada
19 Aug 10
You're right, I am curious and trying to understand what is going on with people from all nations moving all over the world. Its as if one day if I ever go to Italy, there might not be anything Italian about that country, it'll be all Muslim, lets say.......I want Italy or France, or Britain or the USA to remain as they are, each with its own people and personality and charm. Thats what I mean. Thanks for replying and for not thinking that Im racist.
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@Maggiepie (7821)
• United States
19 Aug 10
Good topic! No, I think race is irrelevant to what you're talking about. It's more of a "culturalist" attitude, to coin a term. That's not necessarily a Bad Thing, though, as with anything else, it can become an obsession with some folks. You don't sound obsessed...perhaps a bit nostalgic... I dislike what's become of certain places I've lived, but it's not due to race--I've no idea who's living in those places now--rather it's a sort of wearing out...houses & yards not kept up. A general lack of neighborhood pride. I also don't know what creed the new residents are. I just hope we as a nation can all still blend together, & not "Balkanize" ourselves into huddling little groups of this & that, holding onto some other country's traditions so hard that one gets a bit paranoid about meeting other cultures, & refusing to learn the major local language. I have seen that happen, repeatedly. Well, I did say I didn't care what creed the new people are, but there is one I wouldn't trust out of sight: any follower of that anti-woman creed, Sharia Law. Any creed that has men so terrified of females that must they control their entire lives--or snuff their lives out on a whim--isn't worth keeping on this planet. That's my opinion an' I'm sticking to it. Maggiepie "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks & the corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." ~ Thomas Jefferson
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• Canada
20 Aug 10
Yes Im nostalgic, thats it. I know what you mean about some people not having the pride of where they live if they're not in their own country. How can one feel proud of the place they live in if its not their homeland. Some can achieve this but most dont as they think of going back to their homeland one day......or worse......change the new place they live in to make it like their homeland.....then, whats to become of the resident of the latter who cherish and are proud of the country they were born in. As for the men who hate women or are afraid of them......now you're starting to make me a bit paranoid !!! My grandmother, my mother and myself have fought long and hard to get our freedom and be where we are now. I think I could become a bit violent if anyone would try to take this "RIGHT" away from me. Id call you to help me send them back as I can tell you're against it. (Thanks for being against it!!) Thanks for sharing!!
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• Canada
23 Aug 10
Nah I dont live in the past but I do enjoy a trip down memory lane as you say. We're this close to give in to them here in Canada. A mother tried to kill her daughter because she didnt come home all night and they're trying to say it was about "honor". Believe it or not, the mother is out on bail because the daughter made an appearance in court to "support" her mother. Now Im sure she wasnt there because she wanted to and I sure hope our judicial system wont give in. If they do, we're doomed and soon more countries (maybe yours) will follow suit. Im a woman and I wont let anyone take my freedom away from me!!!!!!!!! Thanks !!
@GardenGerty (90213)
• Marion, Kansas
19 Aug 10
I think all that I can add here is that the larger communities have more variety. I live in a pretty homogeneous town right in the middle of the US. We do have some other cultures represented here, because we have two church sponsored colleges in town, but by and large everyone tends to be white and western European background. I like that other cultures can add their richness here, though. We have people who because of religious persecution a long time ago came here. Their hair and skin and eyes are like ours, but they adhere to ruled for plain and modest dress. That is actually what flavors central Kansas.
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• Canada
19 Aug 10
Oh Im not talking about the color of the skin at all here. Im talking about the way of living of different cultures. Their beliefs, their foods, their way of dressing, all that which makes us who we are as a nation. It used to be that you could look at a person (forget the color of the skin) and know if they were Americans or Italians or Greeks or Arabs or Chinese. Now you cant anymore. My cousin used to live in the US and when he'd come over with his "boyfriend" you could tell right away that Charlie was American and you could tell my cousin was Canadian. ......all in a good way!! I like the differences you see and I like to go to another country and SEE that difference. Way back, here in Canada, our government decided it was time for the first nation (Indians as they like to be called) to be integrated in the rest of Canada. So they took all the kids and sent them to Catholic colleges. They took the kids away from their parents. They raised them as "English Canadians" and told them to forget their native ways and languages. They were also abused but thats another story. Well these kids are adults now and they are angry at what the government did to them. They want to learn about their native heritage and teach it to their kids, but unfortunately, some of that knowledge has been lost since then........we are ALL losing here. Thats what I mean when I say that yes its nice to see other people coming here to make it their homes but something is lost in the process and we also lose something too because we take our heritage and mix it with their heritage. So we lost the uniqueness of both.
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@GardenGerty (90213)
• Marion, Kansas
19 Aug 10
I understand that you are not talking about the way people look, really, but it is hard to separate that from everything else. I said we all pretty much look alike here, but I forget, we have people in saris and other culturally inspired clothes. In a way that was what I was saying about the religious sects that dress differently here. We all are about the same, physically, but their belief and way of life still gives them a different look. They only use certain clothing patterns, etc. Yes, separateness has its place. I think that is what I am getting from your discussion.
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• Canada
20 Aug 10
Yes thats it GG :)
@urbandekay (18314)
18 Aug 10
As we say here, you don't enter England till you leave London all the best urban
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• Canada
19 Aug 10
Oh......Im not sure what that means really as Ive never been to London or the rest of England for that matter. Are you trying to say that the big cities are NOT the country they are in?
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@2004cqui (2823)
• United States
19 Aug 10
This means that the Population of London does not represent the population of England. You can say that just about everywhere. Here in Minnesota most of the people who live in the Northern Half have an accent and culture all their own. It was made fun of in the movie Fargo. I've traveled all over the US and Canada and the same is true for both. Now travel has created a whole new world. We have no choice buy to enjoy the diversity, not fight it! I've worked with people from many different countries. But, just like us there are some who's friendship and teamwork I will cherish forever and others I'd rather forget.
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• Canada
19 Aug 10
Oh sorry you got me wrong, Im not against the diversity of cultures, its just that I think it would be normal to find Italians IN Italy their homeland, Greeks IN Greece and Canadians IN Canada. So that when you DO go to another country, you see the people from THAT country in their habitat, their cultures, with their foods and all the richness they have to offer. Now if you go to Italy lets say, well you wont find only Italians there and some of the culture is not all about Italy anymore but mixed up with other country. Here in Canada, we're a very young country and we're just starting to discover our heritage but its already being lost and mixed up with other cultures. Maybe I can explain it best this way: Imagine you live in your house and you decorate your house the way YOU like and you eat foods that YOU like. Then you have a roommate from another country, he will bring his way of decorating and his culture and his food. So when I go visit you, I dont get to see YOUR way but I get to see a mix up of ways which is not true to neither you nor your roommate. Its a mix. Its like BOTH of you are losing in the process. Do you see what I mean now?
@maclanis (1474)
• Belgium
19 Aug 10
I live in Belgium, and when I go to the capital, I see a lot of foreigners as well. But I guess that's normal in all big cities. I don't really mind. Also, I hope you don't actually think people in France run around with baguettes and and barets. :P
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• Canada
20 Aug 10
Welllllll.......its the vision I have of France, yes people with baguettes and berets. Silly and thats why I asked if I was a dreamer. I like to think of France that way, its charming and to me, thats what makes the people in France......French!! Thats what Id like to see if I were to go to France. I hate to think they're not that way anymore. See what I mean now?
@elmiko (6640)
• United States
19 Aug 10
no, i don't think your a racist but i do think your being a little too sterotypical when it comes to certain countries.
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• Canada
19 Aug 10
Thanks for not thinking that Im a racist as Im not. Yes you're right, I am stereotypical but not in a bad way. Each country has its own culture and its great that its this way. The different way women dress, the different foods, its all something we all need to protect and cherish and share with each other. What Im afraid of is that all of that will be lost. Thats what Im really scared of, to go to a country and not be able to tell that im in that country anymore because everything's changed. Im sure if you go to Paris, France, you would enjoy the way the French are, the food they eat, the clothes they wear, the games they play. Its all part of THAT culture and its something we want to enjoy.........when we go in France but it wont be the same if you get all of this in the middle of New York lets say. Its out of place. So as far as Im concerned, stereotypes IS positive. Its a good thing. Did you think I was against other cultures or other ways of living?
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@savypat (20248)
• United States
18 Aug 10
What you are doing is living in area that is so protected from the rest of the world that you have lost tract of what is going on in the world. The White man is on the decline, people of color of all types are out breeding us so fast that soon there will be only a small minority of whites left. It is an eveloution of the human race that cannot be stopped. It's kind of funny when you think of all the terrible things that have taken place because the whites felt they were some how superior to others who's skin is colored. Considering what is happening to our world people with darker skin have a much better chance of survival. And so it goes, we as humans started out colored and it looks like we will soon be back to that. If you want to judge from where people come you will have to listen to the accents.
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@silvercoin (2102)
• Lithuania
18 Aug 10
Several years ago I went to Paris.You can imagine what I expected from Paris, you know old good Paris that lives in every dreamer's mind?Well, saw a different side of it.It was a big international cocktail I had to drink with one gulp.This was my first visit and I told myself:yeah, the world has changed, girl.I still love that city though I miss the same thing you talk about.Low birth rate of the nation,globalization,immigration with high birth rate.It has lot to do with family traditions and religion too, and politics, of course.
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• Canada
19 Aug 10
Oh you DO understand what I mean. Yes, yes, thats it. You go to Paris but it doesnt feel like Paris anymore. Im not saying its not good but well we expect Paris to be what its always been and dont we travel to see other places and cultures. I know that immigration is changing a lot of things. About a month ago, an 18 year old girl was killed not far from where my dad lives. Her mother killed her because she was seen with a boy (Canadian boy) and this family is from another country and in their religion, girls arent to be seen with boys when they're alone. So the mother killed her according to their customs. There was a debate on TV weather maybe murder should be tolerated according to the cultures but there was an uproar of protests and the mother will be accused of murder. This is what Im afraid of, we have set rules here and if they start changing those rules, then it'll be just as bad as living in the countries those people ran away from. Thanks for replying !!!
@manbir84 (135)
• India
20 Aug 10
I am from India.Many of my friends are residing in Canada and they all are happy.But my friends who are living in Australia are suffering by the aggressive nature of aussies.I think you Canadians are wonderful peoples.You always gave respect to the people coming from other countries.in India nobody felt hesitant about going to Canada.Your country is also one of the most beauty full country.So you don,t have to feel bad.You already have a genes of a good human being.
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• Canada
20 Aug 10
Oh thank you so much!! Well yes we do welcome immigrants with open arms. We dont have any problems with people coming from India as they dont try to change us. Most learn our ways and adapt very well to our way of living. In return, they share their very tasty foods with us and their lovely fabric. They also dont expect us to dress the same way they did back home. You sound like you're about to move here then lol. Thanks for your reply!
@manbir84 (135)
• India
21 Aug 10
Yeah If some day my financial condition would became better then I will definitely come and meet the wonderful people like you.Beautiful people of a beautiful country.Wish you a happy life.
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• Canada
21 Aug 10
I sure hope you know that we have winters and it can be very cold here. Of course Im used to it but it must be a real shock if someone is not used to the cold and snow. You have a happy life also and happy Mylotting!
@rappeter13 (5298)
• Romania
19 Aug 10
I don't think that you are a racist, I totally agree with what you say. But this is our fault, that we permitted other nationalities and races to come to our countries and live there. This is how Hungary lost 76 percent of his territories. We permitted neighbor people to come to our country and they multiplied more faster than Hungarians and this is why other nations got more in the different parts of Hungary. Now, I live in Transylvania, which was 1000 years part of Hungary and since Romanians got more here, after World War I they got this territory. And the same is with Slovakia, and other parts which belonged 1000 years to Hungary and because of our hospitality now belong to other countries. I am not racist, I do not hate other nationalities and races, but I think that every person should live in the country he was born. He can travel in the world, but never stop and live in other country that he belongs to. At least this is how I think. And I am positive that this is not a racist way of thinking, it is more a way of protecting my own nation.
• Canada
20 Aug 10
I feel the same and no you're not racist and Im not racist. You put your finger on the problem. They come, we welcome them with open arms and then they take away from us. You're right, nobody should be able to live in another country UNLESS they sign a contract stating they will NOT try to change our way of living and they will forget about their respective cultures and join ours. If they want to live in our country, they must think its a nice place and we're nice people....well then, you need to become like us then!! Thanks and Im sorry you lost part of your country. Its not your fault, its your government's fault. Its not easy to control a government.....look at the war in Afghanistan and Iraq now.....nobody wants that war, yet its still going on....our governments arent listening to us.
• Canada
25 Aug 10
I can understand you being angry. You're young, why not become a politician and maybe try to fix the wrong? On the other hand, you also need to live your life and be free of anger. I wish you all the best!!
@Maggiepie (7821)
• United States
24 Aug 10
Thank you for the BR mark! Make my day, why doncha, gal! Maggiepie “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” ~ Sherlock Holmes (by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)
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• Canada
24 Aug 10
You're very welcome, I think you hit it right on the spot !!
@bellis716 (4807)
• United States
21 Aug 10
I fully understand what you are saying. I believe that it parallels with the problem we have here in the US. People from other countries want to live here and have the same (or more)benefits as a citizen of this country has, but they do not want to assimilate. I'm afraid that world wide TV has caused the uniqueness of different countries to blur. So sad. Now, that is a different problem from the original one we were discussing.
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• Canada
21 Aug 10
Yes its sad that the uniqueness of every country is becoming a blur as you say. I think my discussion might include more than one subject indeed. Oh here too they want all the benefits of free medicare and welfare as soon as they set foot in Canada. Sad, very sad. Thanks for your answer!!
@syankee525 (6298)
• United States
20 Aug 10
yeah not sure. but i do like meeting people from different countries, i live in the states ive had gotten to meet different people from different countries. to me i was surpise some people like our friend from russia dont like living there, or the dude i met from iran, didnt belive in what he was suppose too. but yeah here in the states you can go out and its like what the hell did he say?
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• Canada
20 Aug 10
I like meeting people from different countries also, dont get me wrong. I know that some are very unhappy in their countries and want to move to a better place. I have no problem with that. My problem is with them moving here and expecting us to change our ways. If you left your country because it was bad living here, why repeat it here then. They should also learn our language when they come here to live. But most dont even bother because they want to eventually go back home.......that I have a problem with. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!!
@mac1946 (1602)
• Calgary, Alberta
19 Aug 10
Hello Magic. As an older "western Canadian",I have seen this country change very much in just the last few years. We have always had the Western European immigrants with a large amount of Chinese people in Canada and have been able to live very peaceably together. However,since the influx of the Arab races that refuse to even learn our language and force us to change our culture to their beliefs," religious or otherwise" that I am against. If they wish to visit here,fine,if they wish to immigrate here,that is fine as well,so long as they adhere to our way of life,if they feel so strongly about theirs,go back where it is the every day way of life. It is a fact now,that in a matter of a short few years,the white race in Canada,will be the minority. I never actually thought of myself as racist as I have a number of friends in quite a few races,including Arab,and a number are Muslims. But I must admit,a few people would say I am.
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• Canada
20 Aug 10
I dont think you're racist, well I dont see you as one and Im also seeing Arabs not wanting to learn our ways here in Eastern Canada. One woman tried to kill her daughter a few months ago, it was for "honor". Her church is trying to get her acquitted saying its a way of life for them......well maybe back in their country, but not here. Im shocked to even think of a mother wanting to kill her daughter!!!!! They obviously flew from their country for a reason, so why repeat whats going on in their country here? I cant understand this, it just doesnt get into my head. Id be ashamed to go to another country and try to tell them how to live their lives or not learn the language and the customs. What a huge lack of respect and Im sure Id be asked to leave fast......so why arent we doing the same. No we're not racists, we're wanting to keep our freedom, our way of life because we like it here.......no....because we LOVE it here. I dont mind seeing women covered from head to toes in Muslim countries......but NOT in Canada, sorry thats not the Canadian way and I sure dont want anyone telling me I should dress that way also or treat me like Im not even a human being because Im not dressed that way!!! Thanks for sharing, now we need to tell our governments how we feel about this!!
@gdesjardin (1938)
• United States
19 Aug 10
Hi Magic! I understand where you are coming from and I definitely don't think you are racist. I live in the U.S. and because this country to known for its diversity I feel that people in the US expect that in other country you will see just Canadian in Canada, Italians in Italy, etc. I went to Europe several times and every time I went I was a little shocked when I saw other ethinic groups in the different countries. I guess I had EXPECTED to see just English people in England, and just Italians in Italy, and just French people in France and so on. When I went to Europe I wanted to learn about the countries culture and was I guess to a degree disappointed when I saw people living there from other countries. When I went to Italy I wanted to see real Italians working in the wonderful stores. I wanted to see real Italians cooking in the restaurant. I remember going to a restaurant in Florence and the cook was from the US...how funny!!! I totally understand that people are allowed to move around and live where they want. I think when vacationing you expect to see authentic people that have always lived in that country. I don't think that is being racist at all. I am originally from Chicago which is like a melting pot of different countries and races. I love people period, I don't care where you are from or what color or religion you are. I think most people in the US expect that. I guess we just get a little "taken a back" when we go to another country and see people from different countries now living there.
• Canada
19 Aug 10
Yup, thats precisely how I feel also. You dont see the real people in their own countries anymore. Well Im Canadian and if you come to Canada, you'll have to look hard to find real Canadians now haha. You might go into some stores and feel as if you're in Asia and not be able to understand a word the store owner is saying. I went through that in my own country. Its not so bad when you're in a store but it sure scares the hell out of me when it happens in a hospital and you depend on someone to save your life when he cant even understand a word you're saying and you cant make out what he's saying. I know it wont stop so maybe they should now come out with personal translators. We need to invent some application for our cells so we can then communicate with everybody LIVE since they wont bother to learn the language of the country they move into or pretty soon, we'll all be total strangers living in the same space. Thanks for sharing!!
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