The Prophet Muhammad is mentioned by name in the Torah, can you deny it ?

@Gordano (789)
United States
October 10, 2010 9:46pm CST
it is clearly stated in the Quran 7:157 that the prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him was predicted to come and mentioned by name in the Torah and the Gospel and here is the verse: [007:157] Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful. the problem here is that when we read the "Torah" we don't find any mention of Muhammad, and therefor something is wrong, Muslims firmly believe that Muhammad is mentioned by name in The Torah, since it was stated in the Holy Quran, so what is wrong, since we didn't find any mention of Muhammad when we read the "Torah" ? The answer to this Question is very easy and not so hard as some people used to think, we will know the truth if we answered the question, Is the Torah the first Five Books of the Bible as Christians and Jews say ? I think the answer of this question is No, The First 5 books of the Bible are not the Torah, it may be true that some of the guidance of the real Torah is indeed included in those 5 books, but it still obvious that they are not the Torah. How do we know that the first 5 books of the Bible are not the Torah ? let the Bible itself speak and answer this Question. Deuteronomy 31:24-26 [b][i](24) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, (25) That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, (26) Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.[/i][/b] on reading the above verses (Deuteronomy 31:24-26) we can clearly understand that the Book of Law (the Torah) was completed at the the time of Moses By Moses Himself. after believing the fact that the Torah was completed at the the time of Moses How can we explain the existence of these verses in the Book of Deuteronomy which is considered a part of the Torah? Deuteronomy 34:5-8 [b][i](5) So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. ( 6) And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. (7) And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated. (8) And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.[/i][/b] as you see, a complete story about the Death and Burial of Moses was interlined in the Book of the Torah, and this will lead to another question; If a complete story was interlined in the Book of the Torah What else was interlined ? and the more important What else was omitted? conclusion you can't deny the fact that Muhammad was mentioned by name in the Torah, at least you don't know whether or not Muhammad was mentioned by Name in the Torah because your source is changed as explained above. What do YOU think ?
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@lanfear55 (157)
• United States
11 Oct 10
I agree with you to a point. There can be no definite answer to this, as WE do not know what was originally written in any of the holy books; or most of the history books for that matter. Every time a new "edition" comes out, something is changed. Even here in Texas, they just voted to change a world religion educational book. Now it has not been determined when this new book is to be printed, but when it is, there will be changes made to it, giving a slant against Islamic beliefs. This is just one example of how the powers of any country can change the outlook of further generations towards anything. So there, in my opinion, is no way to say weather or not he was mentioned in any book to any degree of certainty. As for the Koran itself, it was not even written down for countless years. Have you ever played the whispering game? Try putting 100 people in one room and have one person whisper something to the person next to them, and have them pass on the message. By the time it reaches the last person in the room, the message is completely different.
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@Gordano (789)
• United States
12 Oct 10
I'm pretty sure that this so-called whispering game doesn't apply on the Holy Quran since the same Book is Memorized By Millions All over the world, and since it is being recited in prayers daily, when the Imam lead the prayer he recite from the Quran, and If a mistake occurred in his recitation those who pray behind him correct for him, so, there can be no mistake in recitation, not even in a single letter.
• United States
12 Oct 10
Not to minimalize the religious aspect, however Disney stories have been memorized the world over.... but wait, they are not the original versions either. They have been changed by people over the years. Mary Poppins originally was an evil witch that ate the children. The Little Mermaid never got her prince, but rather turned into sea foam. And the list goes on. Things that are passed by word of mouth always change. If there was undeniable set standings on the word of Islam, then why the two sects that are always at war with each other? Who is right?
@Gordano (789)
• United States
12 Oct 10
If there was undeniable set standings on the word of Islam, then why the two sects that are always at war with each other? Who is right? I think you mean the Shia (or Shi'ah) and the Sunnis, as for Who is right, I 'll tell you who is right, as I think in it. The Prophet Muhammad PBUH once said: I left among you two things that if you hold firmly to them you will never be misguided: the Book of Allah (the Holy Quran) and the Sunnah of His Prophet. there are many sects in Islam, but not All of them hold firmly to the Quran and the Sunnah, Shia sect was created by a Jew Abdullah Ibn Sabaa who converted to Islam not because he wanted to embrace Islam as His religion but He wanted to harm it from the inside. Both Sunnis and the Shi'a believe in respecting Ahl al-Bayt. However, it is only the Shi'a who claim that the Caliph (leader) of the Muslim community must always be a descendant of Muhammad. Sunnis reject the claim that only the Ahl al-Bayt should govern. and while Both Sunnis and the Shi'a believe in respecting Ahl al-Bayt, the the Shi'a keep thinking that the companions were the worst people existed in the History of Islam, which is clearly a conflict with the sayings of Muhammad: "My companions are like stars, whoever of them you follow, you will be rightly guided" the Shi'a are conflicting with one of the sayings of Muhammad, and therefor they are not holding firmly to one of the two sources of Guidance. furthermore, there blasphemy against the companions of Muhammad, is not acceptable, Ibn Taymiyyah said that they want to be blasphemous to Muhammad himself, but they can't since they claim to be Muslims, so they had chosen to be blasphemous to his companions, because a man is known by the company he keeps. it should be noted that both Both Sunnis and the Shi'a have no differences when it come to the text of the Quran itself, and it is very easy to know which sect is right and which is wrong by applying the above Hadith. Best Regards!
@gjabaigar (2202)
• Philippines
11 Oct 10
Is the Torah the first Five Books of the Bible as Christians and Jews say? How do we know that the first 5 books of the Bible are not the Torah? The questions like these is not really important or essentials to have all the answers. Because it is already done or the crime was already done, we can not change the past anymore. The real questions whether or whatever are the truth or not or what have been truth has been done, Do we all Christians, Muslims and Jewish of the same roots of Abraham done what we should ever done or must have done so those scriptures such as our Torahs, Talmud, Bible, Quran and so on can be really as we are must ever do? Do we always follows them? Do we obey them? Or are we just faking it just for our own self-satisfactions and not for God satisfactions. These all scriptures was all from God so we can know how to love and serve God. What we can do for now, is we should now learned from our OLD past WORLDS, from all the mistakes we been done. Then let us all live in a genuine and real NEW WORLD united in harmony which are according to God's will. Anyway, previously I found these video on youtube. Mohammed was mentioned in the scriptures. (warning.... please watching videos must be strong to watch especially with the Jews, take your own risk and discretions. Contains hard to accept words or insults). - The absolute truth about Muhammad in the bible: Rabbis who acknowledging the fact and...PART 1 ..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cur_6aYs_7k - The absolute truth about Muhammad in the bible: Rabbis who acknowledging the fact and...PART 2 .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbSCYkxRZAg&feature=fvw Peace and God Bless us all
• United States
11 Oct 10
love the very intense music :) The second video made absolutely no sense. So there is just the one scripture then?
@gjabaigar (2202)
• Philippines
11 Oct 10
This is base from what I have learn in general, not only as I am being a Catholic Christians, but as an multidimensional being. As we all know we are all on spiritualities, we all believe we have body, soul and spirit which are from one body of God. Those questions are not new to us at all, even in our beginnings or on our very OLD ANCIENT WORLDS, when those scriptures have been known to all us for the first time, we all have not followed and obeyed them, we have doubted them, and instead we made our own Bible, our own Torah, our own Talmud or our own Quran. We have abused our own freewill for own satisfactions without remembering or awareness or conscience that there is God who gave us all these precious gifts of freewill. Because that's how God really loves us all whether your a Moslem, Jewish, Christians, Hindu, Atheist and so on. But for us who are the chosen people or children of God we all know we are all came from one ROOT on a one TREE on a one SEED. Christianity was a succession of Judaism who also a believers of those Old Books, the Sumerians or those Samaritans they also believers of those Old Books. Islam also from those Old Books. I mean, my goodness! We are all came from those same Old Books or the Old Worlds of ours, those Books compiled by Moses, the ancestors of Abrahams, Noahs, Garden of Eden. We are all just one tamale!!!...Cheers!!! Peace!!! Now lets have some good time and drink Tequila!!!!
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• United States
11 Oct 10
Here's a thought... How many people in the Middle East Right Now have the name Muhammad? Is it possible that they were talking about some other guy since the books were written before his time.
@urbandekay (18312)
13 Oct 10
Congratulations, you will my award for most ridiculous discussion of the year all the best urban
@Gordano (789)
• United States
15 Oct 10
the Arabic word ghayb means the unseen not the unreal, it includes the unseen such as the angles, the spirit, etc.
@urbandekay (18312)
15 Oct 10
Allah commanded you to believe in angles? What of other mathematical concepts? all the best urban
@urbandekay (18312)
17 Oct 10
Soon, yours will be as low as mine for daring to voice criticism of a Muslim Seig heil mein Furher! all the best urban
@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
11 Oct 10
Mohammad would not be mentioned in the Torah as he is not a part of the Jewish history. He has nothing to do with the Jews or HaShem. If the quran mentions that he is in the Torah, then the quran is wrong or there is a mistranslation somewhere. The Torah is called the 5 books of Moses, but they were actually transcribed by 3 different people. Everyone knows that. You cannot validate your Mohammad by trying to interject him into the Torah.
@Gordano (789)
• United States
12 Oct 10
your sentence that the first 5 Books of the Bible which are considered the Torah were actually transcribed by 3 different people is against the text which clearly says: when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished and Indeed I can't validate Muhammad using a corrupted book, in that case we agree.