Challenge: If Jesus and the Father Are the Same Person then Explain Mark 13 32?

I am thinking that you are a Jehovah's witness? Jesus was fully human and fully God. This decision had not yet been made either by the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit. The word Jehovah is not the name of God. It is Yahweh. You either believe in the Trinity or you don't. Many blessings to you and may the power of the Holy Spirit engulf you and love you and may you go forward in faith and find the peace that your soul is seeking.

JESUS and the Father are 2 separate individuals. the scriptures give to much evidence for this. Jesus himself stated he came to do the will of the one that sent which was the Father. How can a person send himself anywhere? yes i am a Jehovah witness and if i wasn't facts are facts the bible is clear on this fact about Jesus role in God Jehovah plan for salvation

For me I would agree they don't the same.

For me I would agree that Jesus and Jehovah Is not the same because Jesus is son of God then Jehovah Is the God.

Formidexo, this matter is more complicated than we can imagine. Christians have been debating this for ages. The way you asked your question, God is not a person. And Jesus is not a god which is one reason I've read where some Jews thought He blesphemed since if Jesus is a god, then that would make us worship more than one god which is wrong. Your point is supported throughout the Bible that Jesus is not God. We do the Lord's prayer through Jesus to God. Jesus is part of the trinity which is not truly understood which is why we're having this continuing debate. This kind of argument makes Christians make enemies of each other. I don't think it really matters. Revelation is a good place to see Jesus and God as separate. Yet, there is much more going on that is too complicated for our mortal minds. This is science we cannot understand. Can Jesus be God and not be God. Yes. By our definitions, the answer is yes or no as can be seen in these myLot conversations. By God's definition which we don't know, we can't answer that question. All we know is that there is a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One thing I will add is that as stated in the Ten Commandments, we cannot worship more than one God. And we worship God, not Jesus. Jesus told us to worship God and I don't see where it said to worship Him. Thus, there are not two gods. I think we are humbled just to say, we don't know but are glad that we can reach God through Jesus.

The first question we need to ask, is if God has really existed. Everybody has his own opinion on this one, so already some pepole can't explain the Mark 13:32, because they simply don't believe it exists ! I'm not saying thet God hasn't existed, I don't believe anything and don't have a particular opinion on this case. Then, we need to know is God was really the father of Jesus, remember that his mother was pregnant without having any rapports, so actually anybody can be the father of Jesus ;)

I have never met a father and a son who are the same person. So why would the Heavenly Father call Jesus his son, if he were the same person as He is? To make us confused? That is what we would be to try to accept such a doctrine! There is a lot of proof in the Bible that they are two different persons. This corresponds with what 1 Corinthians says (New International Version © 2010): "For God is not a God of disorder but of peace"

God is the name of a family it is like a last name. How many people in your family have the same last name. The God family is not a trinity. It is not closed. There is God the father. First in Genisis 1:26 Let Us make man in Our image This indicates more than ONE person and they are not all rolled into one being. Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan was among them. This shows a family of spirit beings and these are NOT angels. Angels are different than the Sons of God. There are other scriptures showing this as well but for time sake won't look for them right now. I have a husband his last name is Donier as is mine, My husband and I are one in that we are in agreement and joined in marriage but we are two seperate persons. Gen 2: 21-24. We are joined in the physical sense and Christ, God and the Holy Spirit are joined in the Spiritual sense meaning we are in agreement, we share the same home children and make plans together. But we have seperate bodies and brains and thoughts. This is how God is and Christ they are not the same being they are different. Matt. 12:32. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven him. but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven him either in this age or in the age to come. If you can speak against the Christ the Son of God who is God then you would be able to speak against the Holy Spirit as well if there were a trinity and there would be no blasphemy but that is not the case. Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. Christ did not Pray to himself when he was on earth he prayed to His Father in Heaven. Christ is not sitting next to himself he sits on the Right hand of God. Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. The God Family wants heirs wants more children If there were a trinity then we could not be what Romans 8 below says. There is not a trinity. This a false doctrine perpetuated by the the Catholic Church from way back. The Father through the Holy Spirit cause Christs mother to become impregnated with Christ if they were rolled into one that would not have occured. Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. If people would stop listening to false doctrines, false teachings and what someone tells them to believe. Get on their knees, pray and ASK God to show them through the Holy Spirit his purpose, will, truth and stop listening to what men say they would have a whole lot more understanding. Christ is our intercessor, our High priest our King of Kings, Our Lord of Lords, Our older brother. Then there is God the Father of us all, The Holy Spirit is from God and seperate as well it is a helper, a comforter, a revealer of truth and more. They are not nor have they ever been a Trinity all Rolled into one.

God is the name of a family it is like a last name. How many people in your family have the same last name. The God family is not a trinity. It is not closed. There is God the father. First in Genisis 1:26 Let Us make man in Our image This indicates more than ONE person and they are not all rolled into one being. Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan was among them. This shows a family of spirit beings and these are NOT angels. Angels are different than the Sons of God. There are other scriptures showing this as well but for time sake won't look for them right now. I have a husband his last name is Donier as is mine, My husband and I are one in that we are in agreement and joined in marriage but we are two seperate persons. Gen 2: 21-24. We are joined in the physical sense and Christ, God and the Holy Spirit are joined in the Spiritual sense meaning we are in agreement, we share the same home children and make plans together. But we have seperate bodies and brains and thoughts. This is how God is and Christ they are not the same being they are different. Matt. 12:32. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven him. but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven him either in this age or in the age to come. If you can speak against the Christ the Son of God who is God then you would be able to speak against the Holy Spirit as well if there were a trinity and there would be no blasphemy but that is not the case. Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. Christ did not Pray to himself when he was on earth he prayed to His Father in Heaven. Christ is not sitting next to himself he sits on the Right hand of God. Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. The God Family wants heirs wants more children If there were a trinity then we could not be what Romans 8 below says. There is not a trinity. This a false doctrine perpetuated by the the Catholic Church from way back. The Father through the Holy Spirit cause Christs mother to become impregnated with Christ if they were rolled into one that would not have occured. Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. If people would stop listening to false doctrines, false teachings and what someone tells them to believe. Get on their knees, pray and ASK God to show them through the Holy Spirit his purpose, will, truth and stop listening to what men say they would have a whole lot more understanding. Christ is our intercessor, our High priest our King of Kings, Our Lord of Lords, Our older brother. Then there is God the Father of us all, The Holy Spirit is from God and seperate as well it is a helper, a comforter, a revealer of truth and more. They are not nor have they ever been a Trinity all Rolled into one.

If you want to know truth Fomidexo you will surely find it by asking God who is Truth to show you! Personally I don't think I could ever find the truth about God unless God himself showed me He is Truth by revealing Himself to me! So if you really want to know what/Who the Truth is you must surender yourself to God and ask Him to reveal Himself to you! I remember Years ago a women saying to another if you want to know Jesus then ask the holy Spirit to make Jesus real to you! Ask the Holy Spirit she ask? Yes said her friend God has the Holy Spirit on earth to comfort us and to teach us about Jesus. So one day the lady muttered out in a frustrated but sincere state,' Holy Spirit please make Jesus real to me'. It was then and there that she was filled with God's Holy Spirit and every word of God became real to her! This isn't the answer to your question but maybe what you ask really isn't the question you really want to know the answer to. Maybe your question really is Jesus Who are You? Maybe what your wanting to ask is, ' can I know you? Maybe want you really want to ask is,' God please make yourself known to me so that I can be in You and You in me?

For me I would agree that Jesus and Jehovah Is not the same because Jesus is son of God then Jehovah Is the God.

God the Father, The Son, and the Holy spirit are one... they are not one in person but of manifestation. for more info. please visit jmcim.org/site/doctrine/wheel_of_prophecy.php.