REstricting travel by official design

@suspenseful (40193)
Canada
November 17, 2010 7:24pm CST
I have not been on an airplane very much, in fact only about three times in my life. The first time my husband was working in SAskatoon during the Christmas holidays and I came from Winnipeg so we could spend the holidays. The second time was when my brother was sick, and we had to go from Winnipeg to Vancouver because he was close to death. The last time was the Alaska cruise where we went to Vancouver to catch the ship. Now I have relatives and in=laws all over Canada and some in Europe, but will I be able to visit them unless my sons and I drive, or I get on a cruiser and then have to drive to that cruiser because there is no ocean liner entrance into the Winnipeg Lake, no. That is if they introduce the touchy feely patting down, and the see you in the altogether scanners in Canada. The only ones who will be able to travel without restrictions are the perverts, the attention getters, those who do not mind getting pawed, those who are not afraid of the x-ray exposure to radiation by those scanners. Or then there are the gas prices. What do you think of that?
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
18 Nov 10
I didn't think Canada bought into this insanity! Our attorney general, Janet Napolitano, is thinking of giving exemptions to Muslim women. How insane is that?! I have decided not to fly until this insanity is over. There is nothing wrong with profiling Muslim men ages 20-40, they are the ones causing all the troubles and murders. I refuse to be molested by strangers just so that my government can be politically correct.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
19 Nov 10
I hate air travel because of the carelessness that was enacted when throwing my bag around. Broke a very good present that was one of a kind, Being someone who fights with depression, I wonder if some passenger who is pawed may do somethng desperate (I am a writer and have a good imagination) such as turning violent, jumping out of an airport window, etc. Oh do not worry, I would never do something like thaty, but I do write and I have a weird imagination. The thing is how to stop this erasing of privacy, because maybe Canada will start to do the same.I can see people who have room in their cars or vans offering to give people a ride rather then let them go on the planes, private plane owners offering rides, buses offering rides, etc.The thing is that the only way that this can be stopped is to make it cost the airplanes. If they lose their business, since there are other forms of transportation, they will reconsider and go back to profiling.
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@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
18 Nov 10
I don't fly much either, I actually prefer cruise than flying I don't really feel like looking down thousands of feet to see some scenery back in my younger days a friend makes it a big deal that I never get on airplane I didn't say anything I thought who cares, not her business to know that I don't see why flying is exciting, unless I am the pilot maybe it's a great feeling to be up in the air but other than that I would go with cruise all the way, or even submarine better sceneries for sure LOL I think those scanning bodies are the perverts, not passengers
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
18 Nov 10
I would rather go on a cruise, but I live in Winnipeg and the only way I can get on one is to go to Ontario by bus or car and get on the cruiser there. And forget about going to Vancouver. It took us four days to drive there when my brother was sick and we rode eight hours a day and hardly stopped to get ;anything to eat, and with me wanting to go to the bathroom - well you get the idea. I still have to save the money. I have a trust fund from my husband but do not want to use it, so am saving for it, etc.
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@GardenGerty (157546)
• United States
18 Nov 10
I have not flown in a long time. There are things besides security measures that I dislike. I had rather be in charge of my own time and drive. I would opt for the scan, it is no trouble to me. I would not want to do it often, though. I also would not want to be shot out of the sky, or blown up by a bomb.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
19 Nov 10
last time I flew was in MArch adn when I told them I had stents inmy heart they put me in amother line and they ran the hand held device like they have done before . Nope this isnt going to stop me from flying altho I would rather drive its like a 3 day drive to where I go. I cant get anyone to go with me to releive me and the kids think I am to old lolololol If I really had the money to goon I would any how!
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
27 Nov 10
If thats all it detects poof the terroist gone!
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
23 Nov 10
From what saw on Fox, that because of the new scanners and patty feely rules, they have stopped using the wand. So depending on where you travel, you might be at an airport where the old rules still apply but more then likely since Obama is the type who felt if Bush used a few machines in strategic airports, he can put them in most every airport in the States and then blame Bush. And sometimes you cannot depend on a Web Site saying they use the old method. That is what happened to one guy. He wanted to go to an airport where the new rules did not apply, but they either were slow in revising the web site or they did not want to.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
26 Nov 10
Oh that would not work. What it will do is to vaporize everyone around who does not have a bomb and let the terrorist get on scott free.
@icehut (508)
18 Nov 10
The "see you in the altogether scanners" that you're referring to do not see you in the way that we do. It works by capturing the reflected energy from electromagnetic waves beamed to the body. Imagine talking in an empty room, full of hard surfaces - your voice will sound hard, loud and echoes. Talk in a room with soft furnishings such as curtains, carpet etc and your voice will sound soft, quiet and clear without echoes. The reflected energy will be weaker for body mass as the soft body tissue absorbs more than it reflects. Concealed items will normally be denser and reflect more of the energy. The final "image" that appears looks more like an MRI than anything remotely like a photo. In addition, the operators that examine the images are located in a remote location. Their job is to simply alert staff in your vicinity of any suspicious looking concealments. If you've managed to hide something on your body, that's when you get the pat down or x-ray. Personally, these scanners do not bother me - I just hate the 1001 questions that they ask.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
18 Nov 10
I saw the examples of those body scanners and even if one cannot recognize themselves, one can see that lin in the b'ttocks that identifies one as a human being. Also there is a danger. When I was young back in the 50s, we had x-ray screenings for TB and the authorities thought "there is no harm" well now they discover there is. In fact when I went to the dentist, the assistant put the lead shield over my body even though she knew I was too old to get pregnant, but will they do the same for the ladies going through the scanner or protect the man's whatever? No. And what if a woman does not know she is pregnant? When damage is done years later, will you be able to sue?
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@cyrus123 (6363)
• United States
18 Nov 10
I have flown several times, myself, and I really enjoyed it! My first flight was when my parents and I went to Hawaii in 1972. We flew from Birmingham to Los Angeles. Then, we flew from there to the big island of Hawaii. That was also my mother's first time to fly and she was afraid. Even though we flew several times since then, she never got over being afraid to fly. We flew to the different islands while we were there. Then, we flew from Honolulu to San Francisco and we spent a week with my uncle and his family who lived in Napa, which is near San Francisco. Then, we flew from San Francisco back to Birmingham. The next year, we went to Europe and we flew from Birmingham to Atlanta, the from Atlants to Bangor, Maine. We flew overnight from Bangor, Maine to Brussels, Belgium. While we were in Europe, we flew to about four or five different countries. In 1975 or 76, my parents and I flew from Birmingham to Chicago. Then, from there to Colorado Springs, Colorado. Then, from there back to Birmingham. I also flew from Birmingham to Miami, Florida in 1976. My parents didn't go with me to Miami, though. I was singing in Sweet Adelines back then and several of us from the group in Jasper went to Miami that year for a convention. As you can see, I flown a few times in my life, lol. I've been in Winnipeg, btw. I didn't fly up there, though. I came with a tour group in 1989 and we rode a bus. We saw all the sights there.
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@cyrus123 (6363)
• United States
18 Nov 10
I forgot to mention that I don't like these new flight rules at all! I have a nephew who flies a small plane for a living and I wonder how he feels about them. I haven't tlaked to him lately.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
18 Nov 10
Actually if it were done by a private person, they would be arrested. I had an aunt who lived in Nazi Europe and had escaped the Communists. Those horrible searches and violations of privacy and human rights were done there. I wonder if the Americans who permit the searches would feel if they would told that they would feel right at home in the Nazi or Communist countries I know my aunt risked her life to escape to the West.
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@cyrus123 (6363)
• United States
19 Nov 10
These airlines have a lot more rules than they did back in the 70s when I used to fly! Some of them I can understand because they've had to deal with so many hijackers since those days. For example, they didn't have any beepers to go off if you have any kind of metal on you.
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@maximax8 (31053)
• United Kingdom
20 Nov 10
Traveling is more challenging than it has ever been to before. The prices of long haul flights are very expensive. The amount of airport tax is very high on the ticket indeed. I travel with my disabled three year old son and my one year old daughter. This means it costs me an adult fare, a child fare and an infant fare which adds up the fare a lot. The airport security is very challenging but necessary to get on the plane. I struggle with a three year old that doesn't walk, a baby , our cabin baggage and folding up the buggy. I think that the body security scanners are in Canada and the USA. I don't like the sound of the radiation in the x-ray exposure. Petrol costs for motoring are high in my home country.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
23 Nov 10
It is getting to be that travel will be what it was like in the old days, going to the next town or just getting out of the city. That is all right if you live in Europe, but in Canada, our cities and towns are far away And from what I heard from my friends, the cost of checking things ion the airplane, extra bags, special seats if you are disabled, re higher then the trip itself. Even traveiing by train or car will be too costly. As for the scanners, when they find out that the radiation causes cancer, etc. they will not blame the TSA, they will blame the person who had to endure the radiation.