Sharia Law vs Christian Law

United States
November 27, 2010 3:50pm CST
A lot of posters here frown on Sharia Law. I will be honest and say I don't understand it. I don't get why a woman would have her nose cut off, or a woman who is raped would then be killed for shaming her family. Or the use of a cane, or hands being chopped off. It's primitive and unjustifiable to me. But, we have Christian Law. And we need to set an example to the rest of the world by abolishing that. We can't say that a country run by Islamic law is bad, and then be happy with our country run by Christian law. That makes us hypocrites. We live in a country where the pledge of allegiance was amended to fit in the words "under god". We live in a country where all religious groups are exempt from paying taxes. We live in a country where the currency is stamped with "in god we trust". We live in a christian nation that puts mentally ill women to death, as of this year. Our Christian nation won't allow gays to openly serve in the military or marry the ones they love. It's primitive and unjustifiable to me. I propose only atheists run for congress. Repeal christian law before you make any comments on Sharia law.
10 responses
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Must start with only atheist can run for Congress. This is not right but I love the idea of it so I want to give you a high five through the world wide web. Okay now in order. What I don't understand about Sharia Law is how Muslims can with a straight face say that under Islam women are more free. Under Sharia Law women are treated as sub-humans. This under god cr@p gets on my nerves. The only reason that under god was added was because the Soviet were atheist, thanks Communism. Now to this day us in the atheistic community has to deal with the charge that the only godless society in modern history were Communist countries. That gets as old as the Hitler was an atheist comment. It's time that under god was removed from our money and the pledge. If this country so badly want to be under an imaginary being why don't we chose one nation under the flying spaghetti monster. Too wordy oh we can shorten it to FSM it would not offend me.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Well according to Wikipedia it is either Quran, Kuran, Koran, Qur’an, Coran or al-Qur’an.
• United States
28 Nov 10
Great answer, on all points. I admittedly don't know much about Islamic faith, I know only two people who practice it. And they moved here for a reason - I don't think they practice Sharia Law. They are very kind and respectful to their wives. It's really bizarre to me. I think I should start to read the Koran, but I think I have been misspelling it. I think it is with a qu. I need to see what it says. I am sure there are excerpts online. I read that the constitution in Arizona still has "It is legal for a man to beat his wife once a month" on its books. Even if it is not practiced, it was, at one point, a law in this country. I find that just as repugnant as Sharia Law. With atheists, you can know they are voting without any bias. I think that is the right thing to do.
@mattic (282)
• United States
28 Nov 10
You disprove your statement that "athiests have no bias" by your earlier statement that only athiests should run for government. You are biased against Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists, Wiccans, Christians, etc. in your statement. Silly liberals, debates are for grown-ups.
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@mattic (282)
• United States
28 Nov 10
The laws of our nation were never "christian" laws, but is based on the Common Law of England. The Pledge of Allegience was a socialist invention and no true lover of liberty would ever pledge allegience to a "flag". I agree that the tax exempt status for churches...and ALL CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS should be abolished with the rest of the asanine progressive tax code. And I agree that if Barack and Bill want to bump fuzzies, the government should not interfere. If they want to make it a legally binding contract, more power to them. But to propose only atheiests run is to tie the same litmus test to public service that the religious right attempted. As far as Sharia law, you speak from great ignorance. It has little to do with burquas and "nose cut off". It allows for the killing of infidels and the butchering of females' anatomy. Sharia law makes all judicial decisions subject to Islamic clerics, not rule of law. As whacked as the christian right is in this country, they do not make judicial decisions.
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• United States
28 Nov 10
People in congress, or attempting a run, say they won't vote for certain things, because the Bible told them so.... I will go out on a limb and guess you really have no idea what Sharia Law is. You hardly know what American Law is.
@mattic (282)
• United States
28 Nov 10
So...'splain Sharia Law to me oh wise one.
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@mattic (282)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Oh yeah, your great hand wringing over gay rights runs counter to your condoning of Sharia Law. Under Sharia Law, homosexuals (and most with leftist leanings) would be the first to meet the guillotine. Maybe "rule of law" that expresses liberty for all is the best system. Oh yeah, we have that right here in the U.S.
@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
28 Nov 10
You make some good points but the truth is some of the things you are mistaken on, like this being a nation of christian laws. As others have already pointed out, not many of our "founding fathers" were great activist in the christian church, Washington with his drinking, gambling and chasing after his friends wives, Jefferson cheating on his with the slaves he owned and Franklin with his bible with fake quotes to prove himself right in any argument. In fact almost all of them were masons and swore their allegiance to the masonic order which leans towards socialism. There is however a "christian nation" and its crimes have extended through time until this very day, its reach extends into every country and has a choke hold on it so that it can commit crimes and get away without every being charged. This Christian nation is the Vatican and in every sense of the word is a hypocrisy. If we are going to "frown on Sharia law" as you say we should first address the corruption that Vatican Law has on our society and the crimes that are committed by this order and have not been prosecuted. As far as only atheist running for congress, congressmen are "suppose to" represent the people that elected them and people with religious beliefs far outweigh atheist.
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• United States
28 Nov 10
By the way after reading some of your replies I see you believe that discrimination against gays only happens here because of Christians. So how do you explains nations like China which have the largest atheist population in the world.
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• United States
28 Nov 10
Hong Kong which wasn't part of China for most of it's modern existence has been very active in gay rights. Gay rights in China are just now getting started in mainland China. Homosexuality was just removed as a mental illness in 2001. The government still shut down its first gay pageant this year. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/19/china-gay-rights-state As far as what other countries do we are a majority rule (mob rule some would say) for better or worse and marriage is a state issue and decided by state elections. So if you live in a state that doesn't allow it there are six states that do and others that have civil unions. Of course if we have laws decided by the minority than we would be communist or more socialist. Of course there is a large gap between your comparison of gay rights in the United States and a woman being murdered because she suffered rape in the middle east don't you think? BTW, off the subject here but you wouldn't by chance live in New York would you?
• United States
28 Nov 10
I really appreciate your input. If you have the time, can you provide links about China and atheism and discrimination against gays? China may have the highest atheist population, but that population may not be that high when compared to the other religions practiced in China. I did read they are considered atheist, but fall back on "pragmatic". I have read that they are growing increasingly supportive, have their own gay friendly cities with gay bars. I read that communist China was not good to gay people. I read that there are other religions practiced in China - taoism, confucianism (which denounced organized religion), buddhism, even christianity and islam. I read that the government spread antigay sentiments, which shows how mass belief is a danger, but, as with any country, it takes time to grow out of that. We have to be the kind of country that doesn't say, "Do as I say, not as I do", and other countries will follow suit. We keep saying we our number 1. Other countries surpass us - they have homosexuals in uniform, and marrying one another. And not one traditional marriage has fallen apart because of it. The armies grew stronger because of it.
@devref (240)
27 Nov 10
no matter what religeon you consult they have all created problems for humanity so in my opinion politics and religeon should be kept apart.religeon has led to so many wars regardless of which one it is we are better off to keep them apart
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• United States
28 Nov 10
greedy, power hungry,money loving, busy bodies have gotten us into a lot of wars.
• United States
28 Nov 10
And they manage to hide behind the word of "god" each time. They justify it using their religious platforms.
• United States
28 Nov 10
I totally agree with you. If only we could implement that. We have an amendment with a clause saying there is a separation of church and state, but people discount and discredit that as they please, deliberately misinterpreting it. People already in power, that is.
• United States
30 Nov 10
Communist countries are run by atheists. Are they better off than we are? Christians may try to get others to believe as they do and follow the teachings of the Bible, but they're not going to kill you or put you in jail if you disagree with them.
• United States
1 Dec 10
Living in the past, aren't you? How long ago were the Crusades and the Inquisition? Christians have learned from their mistakes of the past. Besides, there is nothing in Christian Scripture that promoted the behavior of the Crusaders or the Inquisitors. Having access to the Bible and learning how to read makes a big difference in knowing what God expects from us.
@mattic (282)
• United States
7 Dec 10
A Jew who converts to Christianity violates the basic tenet of Judaism, which is based on the Shemah - "Hear, O Israel HaShem is our G-d; HaShem the One and Only". The idea of anyone "dying for the sins of other" violates Torah, which says "The soul that sins, he must die." Jesus did not fulfill the requirements to be called the Messiah. There are numerous other reasons that Jews do not believe in Jesus. "Jew" for Jesus are not Jews, simply another sect of missionaries. How would it save the life of a Jew to have them leave their faith?
@mattic (282)
• United States
1 Dec 10
Tell that to the Jews who suffered during the Inquisition and Crusades at the hands of "good" Christians. Even Martin Luther declared that the Jews should be burned out of their homes and their children killed. It was his teachings that old Adolph was raised on.
• United States
27 Nov 10
I propose only atheists run for congress You know that would be illegal because it would be discrimination. Also all religons are tax exempt...not just the christian ones. There is no law saying you have to say the pledge of allegiance. Yep our money says under god on it...don't like it...ask your congressman or woman to forth a bill to change it. We have religious freedom in this country for all not matter your religion. What you really want is all religion kicked out of our country. Which would be illegal and unconstitutional.
• United States
28 Nov 10
When a Christian runs for Congress, s/he, by definition, comes with his own bias. We need objective people, who put science and knowledge above a fairytale god flying in the clouds. If I told anyone on earth, "I talk to a person every night, that no one else can see, and she guides and tells me what I must do," I would be looked at like I was a lunatic. And I would fear whoever voted to put me in congress based on that. Putting that aside, how can we trust all Christians in office to be supportive of a woman's right to choose? Or gay marriage? Some are, some aren't, and those who aren't cite their religious beliefs. It's quite not fair. So there is a law against leveling the playing field and putting only free thinkers in office. Religious freedom should imply freedom FROM religion. This is a christian nation, even if we have mosques and synagogues, so there is no real clever way to word your way around that. If their religion manages to keep blurring the line separating church from state, they need to lose their tax exempt status, though they shouldn't have any anyway. I don't understand the reason for it - I can see a non-profit charity having it, but why a religious institution? Why reward yet another propaganda machine/oppressor?
• United States
28 Nov 10
"It's quite not fair. So there is a law against leveling the playing field and putting only free thinkers in office" How is that fair? The only "fair" thing to do is let the American public decide who they want in office. It is our country after all. Basically what you want are people in office that agree with you and if don't they should not be allowed to be in our government. From what I gather in this post and most of your others...you are someone who thinks that the whole country should run how you want it to and everyone should lives their lives how you want them too. You have the makings of a dictator. You think you know what is best for everyone and if they don't agree with you then they are wrong, crazy or stupid. You call the religious right crazy. How crazy and arrogant is it to think YOU know what is best for everyone else or/and actually think it is ok to want to force those views and decisions on other people. You are pretty "oppressive" to others yourself. Take a look in the mirror hon, you are not a whole lot different than the people you are always yelling about.
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• United States
28 Nov 10
actually freedom of religion gives everyone the right to pick their own religion or have no religion at all. It gives everyone the right to choose.
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@tarachand (3895)
• India
28 Nov 10
Religion is a great tool to have people to toe the line set by the few-The line in the case of nations is laws. Yes, a lot of laws are archaic and need to be done away with or amended in a big way. Islam and Christianity are two of the youngest religions and have not yet matured fully - one needs time and the other one will never mature, just die out suddenly because its adherents are not pliable to change, but both have given a lot to the world by way of maintaining law and order with limitations and the geographies that they are practiced in. I am not a Christian or a Muslim or a Jew or a Buddhist.
@tarachand (3895)
• India
2 Dec 10
Religion was invented to help the unknowing unaware and uneducated masses to toe the line by kings and rulers along with the help of priests and religious clergy that seemed to have a direct line to the creator. Religion helped foster science (it also curbed a lot of useful stuff that went against the thinking and dictum of each religion within its geography). It was needed then. It is also needed now, but more as a crutch by many.
@oXAquaXo (607)
• United States
28 Nov 10
It isn't fear of God that gets people...it's the respect of ethics and morals that Christians teach you.
• United States
28 Nov 10
That always gets me - wouldn't people obey laws without religion in place? Why does it take mass brainwashing to convince someone not to kill, steal, or commit adultery? People who denounce religion don't go on an automatic killing spree, so, I think it is mostly in place to put the fear of god in you, and if not, to put the fear of the underworld in you. It's the biggest fear monger on earth.
• Indonesia
28 Nov 10
hey, Islam never killed woman who raped, because they are a victim. Sharia just only take penalty to adulterer, not the victim. before you talk, you must deeper your knowledge of Islam. someone said "you can consider yourself handsome, consider yourself cool, but never act smartass, you will get embarrassed, when your words is wrong".
• United States
28 Nov 10
That is what we have been told - that a woman who has been the victim of rape has brought shame to their family, and their family will gladly kill her. I have heard reports about that. Are you of Islamic faith?
• United States
30 Dec 10
The problem with atheists is that they can never be rational about anything, because their only agenda is to rule out anything that has to do with religion, which proves that they don't practice what they preach, TOLERANCE. Secondly, they are so intent on warring against Christians instead of focusing on the real problems in America, for example, it is beyond the shadow of a doubt that Muslims are in fact believers in the Koran that teaches them to kill off Christians and Jews, and subjugate all other nations under its authority. People who defend or ignore the women so badly enslaved and tortured over in Islam, and instead chooses to talk bad about the American government,I would love to see that American captured by terrorists, taken over to the middle east and forced to convert to Islam, then tell me how bad America is from the middle east. If you don't like America, nor our government, then get the HELL out of my country. What upsets me is when ignorant people like the one who posted this article had nothing sensible or logical to say, but made an attempt to form an opionion without any weight to back it up. Finally, what's wrong with in God we trust on our money? Are you a friend or family member of Madalyn Murray O'Hair? Who wanted God taken out of everything? I have an even better solution than yours. Get rid of all the non-religious and then we can have a peaceful society, but only after we send Muslims back to the middle east. That's my solution.
• United States
30 Dec 10
After reading the biased opinion of the author, I couldn't help but conclude that it is the opinion of someone who's either too stupid to know that you can not compare the evil barbaric deeds that Islam does is not comparible to the minor imperfections of the U.S. government. At least Americans don't chop off hands and feet, nor do we behead people. How come people are always trying to either justify or overlook the slavery and treaterous political ideology of Islam? Instead of pointing out the truths about it, they instead choose to point to America, which I think is the epitomy of cowardess, and weakness, and fear. I'm not afraid to speak the truth in what I see as far as what the Muslims are doing to their women, and other non-Muslim women, rape, torture, murder, and etc. I think that people who think our government is bad should leave America and move to Islam, under their Sharia law, become Muslim, and then tell me what life is like.