I say legalize abortions...

@vandana7 (57187)
India
December 11, 2010 2:39pm CST
Ok - I hate the thought of a baby - helpless - being killed. But my hating it wont stop it from happening. When I say take precautions, people will be simply too too lazy to take those pills or whatever measures... So here is a method ... Legalize it.... but any qualified person helping a person to abort child should be deemed criminal and liable to be hanged till dead. Non bailable warrant for such people. Mother can abort her child without getting help from anybody. Anybody helping her would be punishable severely. Now - would the women in my country stop, fearing no medical assistance? I do think it would prove to be effective.
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@buggles64 (2715)
• United States
11 Dec 10
Abortion is something I could never do. I think it would be hard to say what other people should or shouldn't do until you have walked in their shoes. I think it's so sad when I hear about babies being dumped in dumpsters, or women who attempt abortions themselves. I would never judge someone who felt they had to have an abortion, because you just never know until you've walked a mile in their shoes, but for myself...I could just never do it.
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@Galena (9124)
11 Dec 10
where I live, it is legal and carried out by medical professionals. I think the thing is, nobody is PRO abortion as such. they are pro choice. nobody thinks abortions are great, but the alternative is much worse. backstreet practitioners killing women and leaving their families and any children they already have without them.
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@vandana7 (57187)
• India
11 Dec 10
Galena, I am not for punishing the woman, I am giving stiff punishment for the backstreet practitioners with no bailable warrant. Women want to abort, give them scalpels and whatever that causes them pain... they gotta feel it is risky for their lives and know how the helpless child must feel...
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@Galena (9124)
11 Dec 10
if you are against safe and legal abortions being availiable to women then there will always be some women desparate enough to resort to risking their lives. and a thriving market of people that don't have the knowledge or the facilities availiable to them offering the service. women will always seek to end unwanted pregnancies. isn't it better that they don't resort to risking their lives and bodies to do so? we have to put the people here and now first. some of these women have children. and another child could be more than they could support. would you leave them desparate enough to risk their children being motherless? this is the reality of abortion being illegal.
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@vandana7 (57187)
• India
12 Dec 10
Galene - if women realize that there is a risk of life in it for them, then may be they will take those pills...why should risk of life to a grown up woman be weighed higher than risk of life to a helpless young fetus? Aren't we discriminating here? @Anora - hi :) Yeah - I want to cause physical pain - rather scare women off because of physical pain - even fetus does feel pain you know. Its been proved recently. Just because it cant express, it doesnt mean it doesnt feel anything. I am not taking a severe step against mother... the choice is hers... she can choose to suffer ... and suffer alone... with risk, or start taking precautionary measures. Anora ... there are remote chances of pills failing. In general people can use pills like they brush their teeth... why cant they do it? @ShiroiNooto - law is about "let ten wrong doers get away with it, rather than let one innocent suffer". Here, I see the child as an innocent one. Agreed there can be instances where the woman is raped, or the woman is likely to give birth to a child who would have deformity or health issues. We do need to think a way out for that category... but other than that, women are being lazy when they dont take those pills. Surely, you are not willing to condone laziness in comparison to life?
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• United States
11 Dec 10
Abortion is legally in our country. I'm not sure how insurance covers such things but I know it is a legal procedure and much more regulated than it was when it was illegal. You might want to research the US case of Roe vs Wade. It was a landmark court case in 1973 that gave women the right in the US to have an abortion. What we have now beats the pants of back ally coat hangers. I wish you well in your crusade to make this option legal in your country. Namaste-Anora
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@vandana7 (57187)
• India
12 Dec 10
Namaste Anora. :) Actually you put it pefectly - "beats the pants of back ally coat hangers". That is all that this law does... spoils from pregnancy being enjoyed by those people, are now being shared by larger medical fraternity... I think the woman should feel there is a risk in it for her life, then she would take preventive measures... and in cases of failure, sue the pill manufacturer... then the pill manufacturer should take over the monetary responsibility... to the extent...justified...but failure of the pill has to be confirmed...I am sure they will find a way once this direction is thought of.
@vandana7 (57187)
• India
12 Dec 10
You again bring up sacredness.. and I speak in terms of right to life. :) If due to my irresponsibility another person meets with a major accident and loses his car, you would ask me to compensate monetarily an amount equal to the car he lost, but if due to my irresponsibility, another person loses life, you would condone me?
• United States
12 Dec 10
Number one that is another false analogy. The point is that you are talking about taking a life for a life, and that is absolutely not justified in my mind. You want to talk about a right to life, one of the biggest questions involved in the right to life is the question of when does life begin. Human gestation is 40 weeks long with most deliveries occurring between 37 and 42 weeks. According to science babies born before 23 weeks of gestation generally do not survive. I understand there are miracle cases but that is the general rule of thumb. Babies born between 24-26 weeks can survive with added help but they will have a prolonged stay and can develop many problems outside of the womb. Most abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy typically between 4-5 weeks sometimes earlier if a woman knows she's pregnant. http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html\ The following is what the development looks like three/four weeks after conception: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/medical/IM04045 Again, I feel that if you are going to hold women accountable for birth control you need to hold the man accountable. He can also use male birth control to prevent this. Namaste- Anora
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@Opal26 (17694)
• United States
12 Dec 10
Hi vandana~ This is such a very serious issue and one that should not be put into any type of religious issue. If a girl/woman becomes pregnant and wants to have an abortion for whatever reasons, if she cannot afford to raise a child, is too young or whatever she should be allowed to make that choice on her own without anyone telling what to do! It is better to abort than to have a child that isn't wanted and then to harm it, torture, abandon, abuse or neglect an unwanted child! I don't understand why people can't see that sometimes abortion makes the most sense! I hate the fact that it has to be that way, but having a woman have a child she doesn't want or can't take care of is much worse than aborting it honestly~
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@Opal26 (17694)
• United States
12 Dec 10
Hi meluan! I miss you!
@fannitia (2172)
• Bulgaria
12 Dec 10
Hi, Vandana, maybe you are too harsh towards women who want to make abortion. There are many reasons to do this, I mean justifiable reasons. I think that in a civilized society women should have a choice and a legal way to abort if they need to do it.
@maximax8 (27048)
11 Dec 10
In my home country abortion is allowed up to 24 weeks pregnancy. I wouldn't ever choose to have an abortion. I was offered an abortion at 36 weeks pregnancy due to my baby having spina bifida and hydrocephalus. I said no way and let my dear little baby be born. Here abortions are done on the National Health Scheme in state owned hospitals and in private clinics. I think abortion is wrong and it should be illegal unless the mother's life is in danger.
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• United States
11 Dec 10
What about incest or rape? Most rape scenarios don't result in pregnancy mind you but in the case of incest I would want to know that they were still legal. In the US one of the problems that occurred when they were illegal was backstreet butchers. There are hundreds of cases of women who were scarred and unable to have children after having had one done. It's nice to know that they are safe and regulated now as a surgical procedure. Namaste-Anora
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@maximax8 (27048)
12 Dec 10
If a lady suffers rape she wouldn't want to get pregnant through it. I would understand a lady in that terrible situation having an abortion or giving the baby up for adoption. In the case of a girl pregnant through incest then that would be one of the exceptional cases where an abortion might help a girl that is suffering. I personally wouldn't ever choose to have an abortion. My three year old disabled son is just as lovely as normal person. I would suggest make abortion illegal if the woman's life isn't in danger. If she got pregnant in rape or incest then she could be approved to have an abortion. Then 98% of abortions would be stopped and just the very tough stories get through the net. I read a story about a lady that survived abortion. That was chilling and no baby deserves to be aborted.
• United States
13 Dec 10
This is what is going on currently in India: http://www.indiatogether.org/manushi/issue126/abortion.htm
@Hatley (157807)
• Garden Grove, California
11 Dec 10
hi vandy I think you are suggesting if a woman is pig headed enough 'to refuse practicing birth control and gets pregnant she will either have to give birth or be on her on in aborting it, and she will be so scared of trying to abort it herself she will give up and have a live baby. I am sure you are not really proposing a woman learn how to abort her baby herself.but you feel she would be so scared she would just go ahead and give birth.
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@vandana7 (57187)
• India
12 Dec 10
Actually Hatley - I am proposing that she learns how to abort her baby herself... the prospect would scare her ... and she would automatically stop being pigheaded as you put it. :) I think if it were dished out like that... the woman would indeed take those birth controle measures because this time it would be her life at risk. She could blame no practitioner, sue nobody for doing a shoddy job, ....dont worry sweetie, pregnancy numbers would come down drastically if women were scared for their lives.
@maximax8 (27048)
15 Dec 10
In Nicaragua abortion was outlawed in 2006. I saw a documentary about it and one lady went to have a secret abortion with a doctor doing this which is illegal. Not many ladies would feel confident to abort their own baby and yes this would get abortion numbers down significantly.
@vandana7 (57187)
• India
20 Dec 10
Exactly, I thought that way too Maximax. Which also implies that people are not using the existing birth control measures! If an underdeveloped nation like Nicaragua can show some improvement, then developing and developed nations would show a whole lot more. Point is people just want to be lazy! And are ok with killing life rather than stopping being lazy. I also weighed the number of lives at two ends - on one end are abortions due to laziness, and on other end abortions due to rape, incest, pills failures, and abnormalities. I believe numbers point towards lazy women as murderers.
• Philippines
12 Dec 10
abortion could be legal in someway like:you get pregnant by being raped..
@vandana7 (57187)
• India
12 Dec 10
Mikhaaail, there are ways to stop that pregnancy now, aren't they? Without abortion...
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• Canada
12 Dec 10
ONLY in a perfect world...and if we lived in a perfect world, there would be no rapes.
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• United States
11 Dec 10
As several of my US myLotters have stated abortions in the US is legal and yes I have also heard of back alley type criminals. So it is a hard subject to get across to people as if they can't afford the procedure medically I suppose this is why they do this. I am not against abortion when it comes to cases of rape and malice but the reason I stand firm with women who are simply lazy to prevent in the first place is because while they were having the fun making the nasty, and thinking about the precautions then it becomes a crime to me to simply abort of those reasons. I know two particular women who each time they get pregnant they run and get abortion as if that was a birth control method. These women are crazy and should be held accountable each time they go and and be rid of the pregnancy. As I know each has done so at least 3 times each since I have known them. God only knows how many times before I met them that they have done this. Lord knows I know the feeling of not being wanted yet kept and given to others but at least I am alive today and have two wonderful children of my own. Perhaps not a wise choice for many but at least women should be protected enough where as they do not have to make choices later.
@vandana7 (57187)
• India
12 Dec 10
Hi hardworkinggurl - honestly I was upset today because somebody dropped a child... used the method as if it was a birth control measure... so annoying... agreed its her right, her choice, her finances, and her world... but hey, she could've afforded those pills... it was her laziness as well.. down with laziness.
• United States
12 Dec 10
I so understand as the two women I mention I do not seek them out any more and when they call and or text me I get pretty upset with them as for crying out loud these women are in their late 30's and can certainly afford birth control but continue to abort as if it were okay each time. Ugh.
@jagjit273 (1740)
• India
12 Dec 10
Vandana your Discusion in itself is very confusing. I cant make out whether you are In favour of abortion or against it.First you decide what you want. be clear In your thoughts Honey. Have a nice day
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• Morocco
11 Dec 10
In my opinion abortion is a real crime if it happens without any good reason . The babies have the same human rights to live as the elder . But if the health of the mother is in danger , and all factors show that abortion is becoming avoidable , then the baby must be sacrified for the survival of the mother . However , rare who have enough good morals : doctors , silly couples and all who can be of help in committing these crimenals acts .
@vandana7 (57187)
• India
12 Dec 10
That sweetie is the only time it is ok - I mean when health of the mother is in danger... Welcome to myLot zidan_zidan. :)
@aodoerfer (113)
• United States
12 Dec 10
I think your idea sounds horrific, and would encourage women to endanger the lives of both themselves and their fetus. Sorry, but I value human life no matter what age someone is. You sound like you care more about punishing women then about babies.
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@lady1993 (14191)
• Philippines
14 Dec 10
Well, that's a scary law. I think women would be scared to abort their baby without any help, but some may still do it if they're really desperate. I hope people would think more before doing promiscuous stuff (which leads to making the baby)- take pills or whatever contraceptive method there is- better yet, don't do it until you're married.
@vandana7 (57187)
• India
14 Dec 10
Hi Lady, you are one of the few who got my intention. ... :) Yeah, intention is to scare women and make them choose other ways of birth control that are less hazardous. As things stand, they just have to walk in doctor's clinic at 2 pm, and are back at home by 6 pm to watch their favorite television program - something seems to be wrong about it - a person not feeling even guilty about the life that's aborted?
• India
14 Dec 10
Hi Vandana, How are you? I still feel precautions are much better than abortion, of course you will understand it better than me. Women in our country will not be that independent at least in this matter, may be some % of women will agree and might try to get this in place but not maximum womens will be coming forward. I believe, take precautions and let the abortion be last and no option thing to happen. It does involve health problems and some pain as I have heard. Thank you for sharing.
@vandana7 (57187)
• India
14 Dec 10
Ajay - my intention was exactly that. If the woman is not going to get proper medical attention, and can have a lifetime's problem aborting her child, then she is likely to take precautionary measures. As things stand, few women do. Not because such pills are not available. But because they are too lazy to pop one in!
@bhanusb (5709)
• India
12 Dec 10
Hi vandana,first abortion is immoral action. If it is legalized crime to kill a baby will be encouraged. A mother can't abort her baby without taking the help of an expert doctor. It is life risk for a mother. If helping to abort is punishable then to kill own baby is a severe crime. Only abortion could be allowed for medical ground.
@vandana7 (57187)
• India
14 Dec 10
Bhanuji, if there is risk for her life, wouldnt she try to prevent pregnancy through other ways like contraceptives? The object is that - to make it risky for her so that she tries to prevent it rather than seek cure.
• United States
12 Dec 10
Well everything has to die at some point but--I could NEVER kill a baby thats just as bad as if you were killed either at the time of your birth or sometime before. And if a baby is born into the most terrible life possible you never know that child could do something amazing later in life.For all we know that person could do something that could invent something or do something even greater then that!.But either way if it was most likely to be severely abused by whatever type of bad living conditions there is is this world then so be it kill the helpless human that has no decision of his/her fate!
@vandana7 (57187)
• India
13 Dec 10
I agree. We are so short of people who genuinely love us. And here we go about killing a child that would love us. Sounds crazy to me. So - I use self abortion as a deterrant to stop abortions. I truly dont like a human being in whatever stage having no decision of his/her fate. That includes human fetus.
@Gaurav2d (29)
• India
3 May 11
abortion should only be in the case where the women has danger of life and the child will be born with great abnormalities,lets give women a chance to live independently and take her own personal decisions.
@jennyze (7048)
• Indonesia
20 Dec 10
Agree to that... I thought women in your country have more respect on themselves, considering they will not get married if found no longer virgin or had such background. What motivated them?
@isloooboy (1741)
• United Arab Emirates
12 Dec 10
I think its an murder of the human being who even did not open his eyes in this beautiful world. So my opinion is killing must not be allowed or legalized.
@pergammano (7756)
• Canada
12 Dec 10
vandana7...I personally, adamantly THINK and FEEL...all Government..ALL laws should stay out of the personal life of women! I personally, DO NOT feel this is a debatable subject! A VERY, VERY personal matter, that should remain with the Doctor and patient! NOBODY has the right to be judge and jury in a matter as personal as this! There are SO many extenuating circumstances...if and when a woman seeks a choice. I think your solution would NOT work, as there will always be NON-professionals (like in the past) willing to perform this action...charging an absolute fortune...under circumstances that are deplorable and totally unsanitary! The TOTALLY ridiculous OTHER end of the scale, would be too castrate ALL males! Or render them "sterile" until they prove a viable marraige and commitment! TOO much government intervention can really get out of hand!