Pinky De Leon's Scary Revelations on Karen :-(

Mother of the Acquitted suspect  - Tony
Philippines
December 18, 2010 9:33am CST
Hello Lotters, I was Mylotting when my mom was listening to this interview, i can't helped but hear it. This is regarding Ms. Pinky's Son, Tony boy Lejano, one of the suspects acquitted from the Vizconde Massacre. I have only heard the son crying on the mall in ala-bang because of the changes of the places in the place. He's so depressed about the changes and sad how long it took for him before they were set free. Unfortunately, I have heard Really Scary Revelation. With regards to Cops simply picking up people as murder suspects and choosing the witness. raiding her and looking for the pictures (only) of tony instead of the drawers, just for the witness (so called as she states) would identify the suspects. Saying they could have gotten away with but they didn't. Of course, It's all new to me how the interview was conducted. Not that am siding with her statement, but somehow i felt something (maybe true). of course, still we don't know the truth with out evidence. BUT If this is true indeed, Maybe I should Leave the Country, because Any Innocent can be framed up with out a hassle. I mean 1991 was supposed to be an age of freedom and a new beginning after the dictatorship. Now, In my opinion, this is the age of deterioration, which includes some of my deepest cultures. It's hard to deny at the back of my head saying "There's no hope, Get out of the country now" ...
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@eileenleyva (10984)
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
In 1995, when the perpetrators were arrested, the story of the witness was as clear as the noonday sun. Deception is in the air now. Don't be misled from the truth by the media mileage the rich families are utilizing to whitewash their names.
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
Hello Eileen, That's why am not siding entirely with her revelation until real process had been recommence. I think people tend to forget early what has been transpired in this, am sure more will forget after the media has sensationalize this thing. Or probably they have the guts to say all of that because the evidence had been burned.
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• Philippines
20 Dec 10
@eileen: I followed this story very closely at that time. I don't know why since I did not know the victims nor any of the accused. Probably because of the heinousness (is that a word?) of the crime, plus the fact that it happened right in their home (scary thought). But even way back then, I found Jessica's story incoherent and incredulous. Not only was she an addict, but I cannot believe that someone would do what she did for someone she just met. And why would Hubert, who just met her, plan a crime in her presence? I believe though that she met Hubert in one of her buying sessions. Even at that time, my question was where is the evidence that Hubert courted or was Carmela's girlfriend? Lauro Vizconde said that twenty days before the massacre, Carmela told her that someone from a powerful family courted her whom she turned down. If we are to believe Jessica's version, Hubert and Carmela have been together for quite some time. Therefore, between those assertions, there should have been evidence of Hubert's presence in her life. The security guard who testified said that he only saw them on the night of the massacre. Hubert Webb was notorious at that time, so his presence there would definitely have jogged someone's memory. But other than Jessica's statement, there is nothing that supports the claim of a relationship. So, I beg to disagree that her story was clear as day. I grieve for Mr. Vizconde, but I think that he too was screwed by the investigators who were just itching to point a finger so that they can brag to the media about it. Nobody cared about the truth. Remember, they tried to pin the blame on two other sets of suspects but the court found the charges to be fabricated. This case has so polarized the Filipinos. We all have our opinions, and this has a great impact on the reputation of the law enforcement and even the courts. Sadly, I doubt if this will ever be solved.
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• Philippines
20 Dec 10
Carmela told her that someone from a powerful family courted her whom she turned down. I guess it's safe to say, IT SUCKS
@TheAdvocate (2395)
• Philippines
20 Dec 10
I think your youth is showing in this discussion. How old were you when this happened? I was telling another mylot member that when the Vizconde massacre happened, we were just recovering from the devastation brought by Marcos. As you correctly pointed out, there were a lot of police shenanigans at that time. The police was one of Marcos' weapons, so to speak. They were use to picking up people, torturing them and making them disappear. This did not disappear even with Marcos gone. This was one of his legacies - a police who thought that torture solves investigations. I would like to think that we are slowly getting out of that era not only because we have had different presidents, but more because of the advent of technology. I think internet and mobile phones have made the world borderless. We have opened our eyes to the possibilities. At that time, it was unthinkable to secure crime scenes. Forensic science was merely a dream for us. But now, we know these are possibilities, and despite our country's poverty, it is within our grasp. So fear not, I think we are inching forward.
• Philippines
20 Dec 10
Hello Advocate, I would only believe that if our Military advances, of course, am sure you are referring to commercial advancement. yeah, we are a bit advance but because of products from the US or other countries being sold to us. our own advances are not always recognize though, if it is then it's benefitting other countries. I would only see a miracle if the impossible scenario for Mr. Lauro is solved.
• Philippines
20 Dec 10
I take heart in the fact that PNoy ordered military hardware for our military, something that previous administrations steered clear of. I think it was the EDSA legacy, mistrust on the military and police. I am referring to advancement in everything. Actually, my fondest wish is to have a Horatio Caine here who solves cases in hours and poses incessantly for the camera. As for the Vizconde massacre, given that Biong destroyed the evidence, the trail is so cold that it can be mistaken for the Arctic. Again, this is the police's fault. I grieve for Mr. Vizconde, I cannot imagine what I would do if my entire family was massacred and the government bungles the investigation.
@shattered (1731)
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
If your gonna be framed, your gonna be framed where ever you are! This does not happen only in the Philippines. It happens everywhere. If you want this country to change, it starts with you not leaving.
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
Hello Shattered, But that is very scary indeed, I wonder what can i do if am not going to leave. I used to dream on joining the military but some how i felt sad with what the kind of bad reputation that our military and law enforcement is doing. Well, I didn't live my last days of my life just to be framed. but i guess am blessed that i didn't experienced this.
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@shattered (1731)
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
Its good to know you didn't experience this and I hope you don't ever experience this. Its hard to change the military, you are right about that, but its not impossible. But for now stay away from it!
@mspitot (3833)
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
I think it is possible but I don't want to leave our country. We our the hope of our nation. If we leave, who love this country?
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
Hello Mspitot. Well, it's not possible to leave the country now. though, i tried but things went bad in the embassy interviewsome still this country even if there abroad.it's the job opportunity that sucks
@mspitot (3833)
• Philippines
20 Dec 10
I agree. I hope that our government sees that job for everyone will be a great move to progress.
@romzz05 (573)
• Philippines
18 Dec 10
I saw these statements on Twitter. I understand the sentiments of Mrs. De Leon but what I dont understand is Karen Davila's bias reporting. She is supposed to be an impartial newscaster that reports both side of the story. Before she airs the story of Pinky De Leon she should have also air the side of the NBI or whoever investigated the case. 20 years ago these same and supposedly objective reporters are feeding the public information regarding the case. Trial by publicity?? who are we supposed to blame for these?? Now the media is covering every move of Hubert webb begging for interviews asking how they feel that they are now free from jail. If I am Lauro Vizconde i would not turn on my TV or read the news paper because the webbs are everywhere giving interviews rubbing salt to the wounds of Mr. Vizconde. I am not saying that the media should sympathize more with the Vizconde but at least understand that giving too much airtime to the Webb and the other acquitted suspects hurts. Maybe what the media should be doing instead of following hubert around and asking for interviews is investigating what went wrong with the investigation in the first place.
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
Hello Romzz05, I felt so bad still for Mr. Lauro Vizconde on this matter,most likely i hated now is our system which is very slow.that's true they should have interview the cops, NBI, Officials, the lawyers and so fort.Well, It's all for the ratings i believed. but i can't deny the fact that such thing can happen in the so called police force. having a false suspects with false witnesses. I wonder why Alfaro is hiding in the first place?.
• Philippines
20 Dec 10
In fairness, I have seen several interviews by ABS-CBN of the NBI investigators. I understand your point romzz, but such is democracy and commercialism. These are the things that we are curious about, and that is why they are chasing the story. The court have declared them not guilty, they also have their lives turned upside down by shoddy police work. I feel for Mr. Vizconde, but we cannot filter what can be heard on the air. He can always turn off the television if he does not want to hear these things.
@chiyosan (30206)
• Philippines
18 Dec 10
well things like this do happen... i suppose we can never be sure and just stay low, "undetected" in these cops' radar.. we can't really say about them...
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
Hello Chiyosan, Yeah, and it hurts knowing that people loose their lives in 15. but of course, he's family still has the money to move on i believe. so, i still mourn for the vizcondes, and kinda afraid of the revelation, if indeed true then i should avoid cops at all times. i have encounter cops but not to the point of arresting me
• Philippines
20 Dec 10
@chiyosan: We all try to stay under the police's radar, however, sometimes, you are just plain unlucky. I saw the interview of one of the first suspects for the Vizconde massacre. The poor guy was just a construction worker with the same nickname as one of the suspects. He stayed under the radar, but as luck would have it, he was wrongly pointed by a neighbor. @LK: My family had a traumatic experience with a cop a decade ago. My brother had a girlfriend who shall I say, was a most unfortunate choice. To make the story short, her uncle came to our house in the middle of the night with his policewoman friend because my brother allegedly texted him some foul things. My brother by the way, was snoring in his room at that time. The policewoman, who was in civvies, introduced herself as a policewoman and demanded that my brother come out. Is that the decorum of the police? Needless to say, I don't trust cops either.
• Philippines
20 Dec 10
I agree that some cops do dirty tactics just to make them look like heroes. What happened to the Vizconde case is the fault of the investigators. They should have done the investigation and preservation of evidences in a better way. I thought our cops were trained well. Why can't they do their job well? My heart sympathizes with Mr. Vizconde. He is too old to indure the pain again and again. I don't like the way the media accomodated interviews with the acquitted suspects. Some interviews look very biased. Whether they are the real criminals or not, the media should remain neutral to both sides. We don't know what really happened and I think that there is no way to know the real perpetrators now. May these bad people's soul will burn in hell just like what Mr. Heubert Webb said in one TV interview.
• Philippines
20 Dec 10
Hello Merlibradley, Yeah, it's just too horrible if it's proven true, but I believe it's been done before but probably not in this case. Well, the media who had this interview has always been biased since from who knows where. Except that I have come to know their biases during elections though. I hope if there are other suspects, wish god has gotten rid of them some how.
@Metatronik (5923)
• Pasay, Philippines
20 Dec 10
I even thought about it of leaving the country is it because of the failure of the Justice System sounds like justice can be still for sale forever, which means that some rich people especially from prominent families can choose to be a criminal and do the crime anytime and everywhere because it will be easy for them to pay for it.
• Philippines
20 Dec 10
Hello Metatronik, I never thought of the justice system being bought, but one segment of corruption and bias there is enough to put a scare on me. i mean, the law enforcement has vast amount of corruption of record and same goes to the military, what's gonna make the people believe now in our government.
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
Our frosensics and data collection here really leaves much to be desired. There are probably hundreds of innocent people (I'm not saying Tony boy Lejano is innocent, but you get my point) rotting in jails right now.
@maean_19 (4662)
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
We cannot really say. I mean, it may be true or untrue. I cannot really say much about this anymore.
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
I guess so. It's easy to talkbut with nothing to speculate much importance, you're right nothing much to say since it's another thing.
@greenpeas (999)
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
If you think you should leave your own country because a spoiled brat who got incarcerated and later released because of the power of money and influence, then go ahead. I hope you find a better country that will treat you like one of them, not a second class citizen. On the other hand...if you are emotionally strong and feel this is your country no matter what happens, then I will admire you. I believe our country will one day become a stronger nation. All countries that made it have citizens that believed in them and sticked with them, no matter how low they became financially and morally.
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
Hello green-peas, But you've at least got to respect the fact that i got scared also with these revelations. It's easy to say, yeah it happens but when you're on the situation it makes you think a lot. I believe some how, I don't know what to think. I don't think i can avoid being discriminated at or being treated to be a second class person in another country. I did thought about it much and that's what kept me from pursuing leaving. I don't really really really know when is that going to happen. but sad to say, If we go on like this, we'll propose probably after our time has ended.
@Hatley (164484)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Dec 10
hi letran I thought we had it rough here in the US with this horrd economy and so many including my son out o f work with few jobs for so many jobless but you in your country are still 'having problems with crooked people in high places and perhaps the new president's not doing enough to discourage corruption. A place like the Philippines with lovely tropical climate and gorgeous scenery deserves to have a decent governing body with honest people so you can all live happily and prosperously too. hugs from hatley.
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
Hello Hatley, what happened was like fifteen years ago and such government system is not acceptable if it's proven true.
@mimiang (3777)
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
that is too sad
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
X-mas Gift - something that i was still ever do.
Yeah, most specially if it's proven true that is.
@jaiho2009 (39001)
• Philippines
18 Dec 10
hello LK, I was still young during the Marcos regime,but i can say that it is much safer those years. And being a president it is only right that he/she should be the and not to be the dictator and not the one being dictated. Being a leader in a country is not easy...can never please everyone. Regarding this topic,the question is "are our military that poor enough to have all the needed gadgets/technology on determining suspects/culprit in a crime?" Let the semen alone be the best witness on Carmela's rape,that could be one of the best lead. Now after 13 years...the evidences says that those semen did not match from those people/convicted? what a crap...what a h*ll of crap. I missed the news,but i know this is frustrating...for the victims,true or not..only GOD knows. Have a great Sunday dear brother
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
Hello Jaiho, I believe back in 1991, they were troubles of coup already in the military, and besides the technology being used is completely not much those days. I think the semen has dried out in the freezer for a bad maintenance and other evidences were destroyed as well. sad though, but am not siding with the acquittal.
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• Philippines
18 Dec 10
Do you know in which program it was shown?
• Philippines
19 Dec 10
Hello Astroboy, With the Karen Today show but it was replay.