I Cannot Understand How People Can Behave In This Way

@Janey1966 (24127)
Carlisle, England
January 27, 2011 4:58pm CST
Yesterday, a guy from Environmental Health visited me and told me the latest about what is happening with the private alleyway between our back yards and the ones opposite. There is a major problem of rubbish building up in the alleyway and the Council are powerless to do much about it due to the fact that the alleyway is private so it's the residents who are responsible for keeping it clear of crap, basically. Earlier Flojo decided to do a runner, so we had to leave the house in order to get her back inside. I don't normally go into the alleyway as it depresses me, but due to where Flojo was me and John had to do so. It's such a mess. Virtually behind our back gate is a huge mattress along with bits of wood and recycling bags that should be at the front of properties, not at the back. The EVH guy told me he'd seen all this when he was in the alley yesterday and invited me (then) to have a look but I declined. If the cat hadn't tried to do a runner I wouldn't have seen it tonight either. If all this stuff was at the front the Council would have to move it but people are so damned lazy they can't be ar*ed. The EVH guy told me that he suspects the culprits are residents and not people from outside, as they wouldn't know the access codes to the gates. Despite finding out (in some cases) who the culprits are, if they say "it's not me" he has no power. Fixed penalty notices have been issued and the Probation Service may get involved regarding the removal of the rubbish..but it's always a temporary solution. New tenents move in, the landlords do a clearout and more rubbish appears in the alleyway. I can't stand much more. It's like living on a rubbish tip. I'm really tempted to go round with my camera tomorrow and send the pics to our local rag. What would you do? I don't actually blame the Council because they're not obliged to clear the alleyway, just give out advice and try to prosecute..an uphill struggle as you can imagine. Even the cat came in willingly because it's not exactly a safe place for a moggy to explore round here.
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@derek_a (10903)
29 Jan 11
Hi Janey, When I lived in the city, this was a common problem with our alleys and there was a lot of fly-tipping going on in the alleys also. They talked about having gates put on but there was a hue and cry from the property owners about builders getting access etc. It was mostly student accomodation and they would often miss the bin-collection day and put it out late. In the end, me and some of the "older" residents decided to do something about it through our local member of Parliament. Apparently he would get action faster it was so to speak, a political issue and he didn't want to get ousted at the next local elections. Well, it worked, but it meant having a volunteer go around and taking notes of where the rubbish was left in the lanes and e-mailing the MP with the facts - Well that was me as nobody elsed could be bothered, but I had seen several rats that were being attracted to the old mattresses for nesting material etc, not to mention strewing rotting food across the lanes. After I began e-mailing my reports, wuite often, on the same day, a dustcart would arrive and it would be removed to a special yard, where they would sift through the rubbish and discover who it belonged to and in most cases they would find an address, if not a name. There was a fine, and it was something like £50, plus a letter to the landlord who's responsibility it was to make sure that his student tenants knew the local by-laws on rubbish tipping. Within 3/4 weeks there was a hell of a difference. They got the message of when they had to put out their rubbish. What used to annoy me was that the rules were simple.. Bin collection was on a Wednesday and we were to make sure that Tuesday night our bins were out and ready for collection. I would have thought that somebody with the intelligence to get into university could have worked that out. People often said to me that it wasn't my responsibility, but if I hadn't taken a daily walk that took about 15 minutes and noted what had been dumped, nobody else would have and it would have remained just the same. It may be worth thinking about your MP and possibly e-mailing him with some pictures perhaps and indicating that you were thinking of sending them to the local rag. It would then enter into the local politics and that may make a difference up where you are. Down here in Wales it does seem to make a difference. Hope you get it cleared one way or another anyway.._Derek
@Janey1966 (24127)
• Carlisle, England
29 Jan 11
You've got me worried about the mattress now Derek! I agree, though, something needs to be done. The thing is, my local MP is a Tory. If it was "Fatty" Martlew..well, he cared a lot about the environment and animals and I'm sure he would've sympathised. I am thinking of taking photos though. It's difficult figuring out who to send them to. There is a Green candidate who actually lives round here somewhere..but the problem remains that the alleyway is private. It's an uphill struggle trying to get anything done, as the Environmental Health have demonstrated.
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@derek_a (10903)
30 Jan 11
Is it the mention of rats that's got you worried? If that's the case we are never very far away from rats at all. I think the official view is 20 feet at most down in the sewers. I grew up on a farm and my sister married a farmer and rats are always around farmyards. The don't attack humans and from my experience the only problem they have ever posed is the poison that is put down if not done by a profesional. Our MP was a Lib Dem and he did get things moving for us. I don't think it matters what party they belong to, they are answerable to the community and they don't like it if someone complains that they are doing nothing, so I would say that it's worth a try in getting him to push things along a bit. As stuff in your ally is a health hazard, I would say, private or not, somebody will have to do something, because it won't nedessarily be contained there. If somebody keeps something hazardous in their own backyard, something is usually done. _Derek
@Janey1966 (24127)
• Carlisle, England
1 Feb 11
Mathew at EVH has seen the mattress and he's told me not to worry about it, so I won't lol. He's on the case, currently trying to track down private landlords. Also, he's hopeful that the Probation Service will get the alley cleaned. It will take a couple of months to arrange (and it's only a temporary solution) but it's better than nothing.
@hofferp (4739)
• United States
27 Jan 11
Our roads are privately-owned and once in awhile, we'll start to see a lot of junk laying around. Usually, someone walking or driving the roads will pick it up. But on a couple of occasions, we've organized neighborhood clean-ups...and they actually work. Of course, we have to have a party afterwards. We usually have a clean-up day on the weekend, followed by a potluck. Maybe, something like that would work... And it would be chance to get the neighbors together... Maybe, if you got to know each other better, some wouldn't be so noisy, some wouldn't throw trash in the alley... But it would require an "organizer"...you up for that?
@Janey1966 (24127)
• Carlisle, England
28 Jan 11
You've not met the people round here. I know what you're saying and it's a great idea, honestly. But if the EVH guy gets abuse form residents who he KNOWS are dumping rubbish, what chance have I got? If they saw me picking rubbish up in the alleyway I'd get lynched..and I'm not joking either. I have contacted the press though and given them my number plus the EVH guy, as he knows what all the problems are but is, currently, powerless to act.
@hofferp (4739)
• United States
28 Jan 11
Wow! I wish you could get out of that neighborhood...if you can call it that. Maybe someday soon, you'll be able to find a nice place in a nice neighborhood. Maybe that's what will happen in 2011!
@Janey1966 (24127)
• Carlisle, England
28 Jan 11
Well, at least the neighbour will be moving out by the end of next week (not my doing, she's going voluntarily to sheltered housing or something) so that's a start! I'd LOVE to move, I really would. Virgos (hubby) are supposed to get some kind of windfall this year so I'm hoping there's someone really, really old and really, really rich that is about to pop their cloggs lol.
• Pamplona, Spain
28 Jan 11
Hiya Janey, Sorry to hear about that situation of the Alleyways over there where you live. The Council where I lived never cleaned up the rubbish that People used to tip on the grass fields either. It went on like that for Years and it was only moved when a Contractor came in and built new Houses on the Land itself. So that put a stop to the dumpers of rubbish as well. Here we have a sort of Rubbish Collector if you like to call it that they will collect old things that you have as you are not allowed to dump them in the Bins or on the Street. You do have to wait in though to make sure they come and pick it all up they don´t give you any money but at least you know that the stuff is in better hands than someone else´s. So it´s really better than nothing. I would have thought they might have something going like that over there too. They just do like the Rag and Bone Man as they called him used to do or if you like Steptoe and Son. I know how it feels. Every two Doors on the Street where I lived for a while in England they had their Dogs loose all the time and they were vicious things with no safety muzzle on their mouths either. On my way to work I had to sort my way through them with my Son who was very small then and more than once I was on the edge of being bitten. Those Neighbours saw what the Dogs were doing but they did nothing just close the Curtain and go off somewhere. Hope it gets sorted out for you all somehow or another. Take care now.xxx
@Janey1966 (24127)
• Carlisle, England
28 Jan 11
Things are better with the dogs situation over here, you will be pleased to know. If the rubbish was at the front the Council Refuse Wagon would take it but the people are lazy and dump it at the back. It's so strange because we all "do our bit" with our recycling bags and things..but the back is like a landfill site!
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• Pamplona, Spain
29 Jan 11
Hiya Janey, It is about time that they controlled the Dogs better. I used to go through Hell sometimes just because I had to go out to work really early in the Morning. So I am glad about that for People like me that had to brave those Dogs every Working Day of the Week. Thing is if you reported them then they would do it even more. I would have thought it was easier to take things out the front Door and not the back actually strange that. Yes I can believe you. Janey in Spain there are loads of places like that too and they don´t do anything either about it. Know lots of stories about those ones too. Make you Hair stand on end. It´s not easy to get another House either is it anywhere now that would be one solution. But I suppose then there is always one of those "rubbish" mongers in every Street or two. Not an easy way out. The last time I was over there also this Couple was visting their Dad in the next House and the Dog was on a lead but snarled at everyone he could find. I walked up the Path of our House and they would stand and stare and the Dog would snarl even louder. But I did not flinch and inch Gal I kept walking and I think that they were surprised that I did´nt get all hassled over it. I love Dogs to pieces but not when they are out of control like that one.
@KrauseHome (33807)
• United States
29 Jan 11
Well unfortunately I have seen an experienced things simular to this before here in the US as well. And truthfully it usually did no good to complain as everyone always tended to point to someone else giving them the Blame. Personally I wish more places could be more aware of things like this and set some good Ground rules and stick to them or Fine the ones who are breaking them as well. Best thing to do is find out if you have anything to back you with, and if not maybe it is time to move on and hope you can find something better.
@Janey1966 (24127)
• Carlisle, England
29 Jan 11
Thanks Tina!
@elmiko (6640)
• United States
28 Jan 11
since its private can't a group of residents just gather together and clean the mess up. maybe i'm being ignorant because i haven't a any pictures to see the size of all the rubbish. i wonder how long it took all that junk to accumulate your referring to.
@p1kef1sh (45647)
28 Jan 11
Assuming that the residents put their rubbish out in the right place and that this rubbish is mostly the tenants then I think that this is a matter for the landlords. If their tenants make a mess and won't clear it up, then the Council should move it and send the bill to the landlords. Prosecuting them if they don't pay. My daughter lived in a street of brand new town houses at university. The estate had private roads. The managing agents simply whacked a high maintenance charge onto the house owners who then passed the cost onto their tenants. They also clamped cars that were parked in the road rather than resident parking bays! Pity they couldn't do anything about the loud music that seemed to play all day and all night. I would have hated to live there myself! I hope that something is sorted for you soon. I don't think that it is at all fair that you should be put off going into the alley because of the thoughtlessness of others.
@Janey1966 (24127)
• Carlisle, England
28 Jan 11
It's the huge mattress that did it. You know how heavy they are, right? So there's absolutely NO WAY one person hauled that into the alley, even if it was at the back gate of the property in question. It would definitely need 2 people to dump it there. If it had been left at the front, the Council would've picked it up as it is Council land at the front, therefore they are liable for any mess. I just can't understand the mentality of those who do this kind of thing. Have they no pride at all in their environment? Obviously not! I once watched an ace programme showing an alleyway that had been turfed over, just to see what happened. It was transformed and it encouraged the residents to sit at the back and put hanging baskets up. I don't think the turf is there anymore but the hanging baskets remain...and that's in Middlesbrough! Very poor area by all accounts. We do have a large student community who come and go. This is the problem. A small minority have lived here a long time and I tell you what, if I'd known that a) this house is in the middle of the student belt and b) there was a private alley at the back, absolutely NO WAY would I have moved in here. Granted, it's within walking-distance of the footy ground but John should've thought about this a bit more before committing himself. He's stuck here now..with me lol.
• United States
28 Jan 11
You should go to the council with this. the mess in the alleyway in intoleratable and disgusting. the EVh did find the culprits and should punish them accordingly. if they don't take care of the problem put the matter into the communities hands. Band together and see how much of a difference you can make in this situation.
@Janey1966 (24127)
• Carlisle, England
28 Jan 11
It's a private alleyway so is not adopted by the Council. They have helped out more times than they should in actual fact. They are trying to empower the residents to do something but a lot of the rubbish is being dumped by private landlords who don't even live on the street. Therefore, they are hard to get hold of. Now that I've beamed this story onto the press something might happen as I can't do all this on my own.
@dawnald (84157)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Jan 11
"do a runner"? Anyway, yeah I wouldn't like living in a trash heap either. Over here the city would probably require the landlord to take care of the problem.
@Janey1966 (24127)
• Carlisle, England
28 Jan 11
Yeh, Flojo "did a runner" as in ran away from the house. We've got her back though as she'd probably injure herself if she was left outside for any length of time. I have contacted the local rag regarding this matter and, hopefully, between me and EVH, we may have a story on our hands but, whether any pressure can be brought upon the residents is anyone's guess. I can but try!
@GardenGerty (92278)
• Marion, Kansas
27 Jan 11
It would be better if you could take snaps of the people dumping stuff. I do not understand why it is not someone's responsibility to clean it up. If it could be picked up if it could go out front, I have no idea why they do not put it on the front curb. We have to haul our large stuff off, and yard waste as well. If we have mess in our yard they can come in and clean it out and bill us. It is a shame that people are being that way.
@Janey1966 (24127)
• Carlisle, England
28 Jan 11
I have sent a request for our local rag to come round and interview me (anonymously) and to take photos. The EVH guy who spoke to me looked tired and depressed as he gets verbally abused at times from residents who just deny everything and tell him "the Council should deal with it." Well, they can't deal with it because the alley is private, whether they like it or not. Refuse wagons are too large to get through. If the rubbish was placed at the front it would be collected, as people could fall over it, etc. Why it's all at the back is a mystery to me and I want it dealt with once and for all!