A newbie's request to Seniors in myLot

@wje4site (170)
India
January 30, 2011 2:06am CST
Yes, As I didn't complete my 100th post, I myself consider as newbie. OK. Now what I want to share or request seniors of myLot is, something here: 1) Why you people always treating newbies as dunce? Because, I have read many posts,discussions asking info about some myLot terms or something else related to myLot. But you people think you are the they are dunce and breaking their discussion by like," Don't you know this?". Why can't people let treat the newbies as newbies, instead of treating them as dunce? 2) If you are not interested, then why you answer? I have seen something more in this category like, "I'm so tired of answering this kind of discussions. Don't you read them?". If you are not interested, who asked you to answer them? 3) Stating FAQ. This is another thing that many people do. I agree some of us don't read FAQ and guidelines fully. But in many cases, People need more informations; It would be good to get ideas from experienced one, instead of common bla, bla,bla.. Why don't you understand? PS: I am aware that, I MAY GET negative ratings because of these. Even this discussion may get deleted. But Please answer if you thought you are one of them or newbie. Disclaimer: I am not here to blame any Individual or Group. So don't mistake me.
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13 responses
@thesids (22455)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 Jan 11
Hi wje4site, I was a newbie too dear and I never felt this kind of treatment for me... And I wondered WHY NOT? I was a 100% newbie and was DUNCE... but no one told me that ever I was in need of clarification and NO ONE gave me the FAQ Links and in my 13 months stay NO ONE EVER SAID that my discusions was I'm so tired of answering this kind of discussions. Don't you read them? Ok... You will say things have changed and I am 13 months behind as you are a newbie... But MyLot and Seniors havent changed and they are still the same. If you find anything like what you mention, then dear, you are reading too many discussions around... and taking them too very personally and thinking that all of them are pointing to you. Buddy get over this, and realize one thing - IF YOU DO NOT LIKE A DISCUSSION... HOP ON TO THE NEXT ONE... THERE ARE THOUSANDS PER DAY AND... YOU MAY BE SMART BUT THERE WILL BE NEWBIES LIKE ME WHO WOULD LOVE TO NEED ADVICES.... I WAS UNHAPPY THAT I DID NOT GET THEM AT THE RIGHT TIME....
@wje4site (170)
• India
30 Jan 11
First of all, I know you somewhat. Even though we are not giving friendship request, I watched you(Watched you) in many discussions. Now you changed your avatar? This one is better than old one. As I know, I believe you are NOT a dunce. I just told your point to people who are telling these. I came across various discussions, so I started this..
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@thesids (22455)
• Bhubaneswar, India
30 Jan 11
Hi dear, First of all Thank you for not taking my views negatively... I was wondering if you felt bad or hurt as I was typing in Capital (uppercase) alphabets. Thanks for appreciating my new avatar - I was initially having difficulties in locating myself on even my discussions But yes, I was shy, reserved and fearing to write responses during my initial days and that is why I said I was dunce (now I realize that) It is not a preaching here but - When you join any new social site, if you dont have your friends existing here at times you do feel completely lost. These discussions by the seniors are a way to welcome you and newbies - think of it like this - A newborn child, dont you think if nobody took care that it started to walk, will it never walk? No It will of course the only thing - there will be more falls at the starting stages... In life this is ok and manageable but here on sites, it becomes difficult and you may get banned. Why to get into that? Better that the seniors play their roles as loving and caring parents in your initial days, and then when you are done and set to run... have a go... Hope that was not too long and conveyed what I wanted to...
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@Marmot (595)
• United States
30 Jan 11
Hi, I am new mylot too. As you can see, I just passed the 100 posts a little. But I don't have the same feeling with you. As your first question, 1) Why you people always treating newbies as dunce? I think most of mylotters are very kind and helpful, I have asked some questions about mylot and I see some other discussions about mylot, there seldom appears negative response and most of the responds are meaningful and useful. 2) If you are not interested, then why you answer? This one, I have seen before. Although I feel bad about their responds, but may those seniors just have already seen so many of the same questions and just want to complain. I think we should forgive them. 3) Stating FAQ. I think there are many people start faqs everyday, you can see there are a lot of people interested in FAQ section and there are interests just named by FAQ.
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• United States
30 Jan 11
Hello wje4ste, I will take the first part where you list you people to exclude myself. As I am one to always welcome new members to myLot as a beginning line. I have always graciously directed them to the guidelines with the hopes that they take a few moments to review, not for my benefit but theirs. See I have been here for 7 months, and it was not until my 3rd month that I became active. I although a rarity, wanted to learn the site in total until I became comfortable. Although my numbers say different I am still learning daily. Cannot begin to tell you the inspiration I get when a member points out something new to me daily. I have seen the responses by members where they harshly comment to go read the rules, and although it might make for entertainment, I see that even though I have politely told members about certain aspects of the site that they still seem to amaze me daily with breaking rules. Breaking of the rules, leads to lost efforts for both the originator of the discussion as well as the responders, as some responders are yet still unaware that it is a violation and put forth effort in responding. Then you have members like me that although I know it is a violation, I will respond and try and help you to understand that it may be taken seriously and perhaps you will loose your account, once again I put forth the effort knowing well that I am not going to earn. So if you look at it this way, if I spend 4 hours per sa trying to pleasantly help members knowing the efforts are going to be lost do you still think that I am treating the person as a dunce, on the contrary.. I am the dunce as you stated I could be on here four hours not care about newbies and go on and earn instead of helping, would you not agree. I am going to vouch for some of the responders who blatantly respond harshly as they have been in my shoes and were perhaps pleasant and for what I tell you members still posting referral links, plagiarizing, flaming others and well it gets old you might know. So will I always be this pleasant for years to come, maybe, maybe not or I could actually let the member continue to hang themselves and eventually the site will no longer exist.. at least this is my opinion. By the way I have only negative rated once in my history here and that was for a member who was making fun of a members English language, so not only did I rate negative, I sought out his work and found he had gone out for hours making fun of others.. so I so appreciated the (!) report button and you betcha the member was suspended. I am one who positive rates as we are all here enjoying a site and voicing opinions.
@mysdianait (63977)
• Italy
30 Jan 11
Please don't lump all over the older Lotters in the same heap I spend a heck of a lot of my time responding to posts by new users and most of the time it is not the first, second, third.... time that I answer the same question. I continue to answer and help when I can because I am convinced that we NEED new Lotters. They bring a breath of fresh air to myLot with new ideas to discuss. I will not make the mistake of saying 'all' but I will say that 'some' new users prefer to start posting before they have read TermsofUse, FAQs or Guidelines here and have no clue what to do. Sadly they waste their own time and that of those who respond to them because the topics that are already answered there are usually repeated topics and for these reasons are deleted - causing loss of any earnings for all concerned. What many users, new and old, seem to misunderstand is that the only OFFICIAL information concerning mylot and how to use it is in the FAQs (and contained in the activity of myLot admin - GoAskAlice). Anything else posted by other Lotters, myself included, is only our own personal interpretation of how to go about things based on what we have read there and our own personal experience. For this reason when we say 'please read the FAQs' we are only giving you the best advice available - read it straight from the horse's mouth so that you are not misled by others. Adding Lotters and asking information in a PM is also advisable rather than starting topics but again, can you be certain that you are getting correct information in your responses? Many get things wrong regardless of how long they have been here. Welcome to myLot and realise that the majority are happy to help p.s. I neg rate plagiarism and abuse but not legitimate topics.
@mysdianait (63977)
• Italy
30 Jan 11
May I ask a question here? Are you aware that you earn nothing for the responses that others post on your topics? I earn for what I type and YOU earn for YOUR OWN efforts. Unless you come back and comment to those who respond your earnings will not increase. I see that you have many topics unattended
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@wje4site (170)
• India
30 Jan 11
I agreed, I shouldn't use all. But I prefer to use many!. I am aware of that, the we earn more as per we contribute.( I think typing is not a best word bcoz, we give our ideas, not more physical work.) Many of my topics unattended means, Only three things 1) I may not have enough time to respond (Most cases) 2) Not satisfied with post 3) Or in rare case I am run out of idea to that response. BTW, How you deal this discussion? ;) One more question: Before two days, One discussion is highly rated in "myLot.com" about responding discussion. It deals with response guidelines and faq which are contradict one to other. I didn't have myLot digest news letter so I couldn't get full info about that. It was in my Mylot page. But when I tried open that, It was deleted for guidelines violation (lol - highly rated thing is get buried faster) If you know about that means, plz make it clear. Thanks for your response.
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• India
30 Jan 11
I was wondering why this discussion has been started when there is such a helpful person like you.Well you have been going on informing people that they have to come back and comment, but unfortunately some new members are still starting discussions and forget about it for ever.Since some of them are my friends, I usually respond to their discussions, but sadly there is no answer from a few of them. But every day, they start at least a few discussions.
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• India
30 Jan 11
Hello friend... I am also a newbie but I don't think you are right at your 1 st point i.e. why all seniors are always treating newbies as dunce..I don't have any complain against them. But at the second point I really agree with you..there are a lot of user they say like that and only response for earning...But I also think before posting a topic you should check for the similar discussion. And at the last point also..you are completely right..I really agree with you at this point.
@wje4site (170)
• India
30 Jan 11
lol, You completed 200 posts already, so that I won't agree that you are newbie. You are senior. I want make clear that I didn't mentioned or wanted to mentioned ALL. I just point out them as commonly,(later in one of my respones as )many. Being a senior for me, I would like to get response from you as a senior myLotter; ;D
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@mysdianait (63977)
• Italy
30 Jan 11
If a user tells you that they are still new then personally I would not argue with their point. They still feel 'new' because they realise that they still have a lot to understand here even though they are doing their best and trying hard
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• India
30 Jan 11
I completely agree with you mysdianait.. there are lot's of thinks which I am still learning... @wje4site It is all relative man... I may be senior than you but compare me to mysdianait you will find me a newbie ...lol..
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@zralte (4186)
• India
30 Jan 11
I have said it in another discussion (though not the same type), there are different kinds of people in all walks of life; that you just can't generalise a group. What I mean is that NOT ALL Seniors are rude and treating newbies as DUNCE. There may be some, but definitely not all. For that matter, NOT ALL newbies are dunce. Now, I have never seen those kind of discussions myself. And as most of the responders have already mentioned, newbies are treated more kindly here in myLot than any other sites. I still consider myself a newbie, and no one has ever been rude to me or call me a dunce. When I ask a question that is already answered in the FAQs, some members will point me to it, saying the question has already been answered. I don't take that as an insult. '"I'm so tired of answering this kind of discussions. Don't you read them?"If you are not interested, who asked you to answer them?' - Good Point. I agree totally. But then again, I have never seen any response like that. Stating FAQ - It is necessary. Like mysD mentioned, that is where the official word lies. I believe that most people who give the link to the FAQs add their own personal interpretation of the sort anyway. Enjoy myLot like we have.
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@wje4site (170)
• India
30 Jan 11
Agreed. But stating is not bad, if it has more info. Pure redirection is nothing but waste of time for the one who read them already, isn't it?
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• Calgary, Alberta
30 Jan 11
When I was a newbie, i didn't really felt like one because I didn't acted like one. I was never rude newbies, I was only rude to people who are rude or people with no respect. I dont participate in discussions I dont like because I know how it feels when people who are basically useless to the discussion participates in a discussion i really like. So in able for me not to have that treatment I dont respond to discussions I'm not interested in. I wont talk about a singer I dont listen to or Tv show I dont watch so I wont be alienating any. I actually try to help newbies to do well here but they dont help them selves though.
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@mysdianait (63977)
• Italy
30 Jan 11
"I actually try to help newbies to do well here but they dont help them selves though" If only they would they would do so mycg better here. It takes a lot of patience to respomd over and over again. I guess that some older Lotters have used up all of theirs and have run out If we redirect it is because only THOSE FAQs are the real OFFICIAL information by myLot and it is those that users should be reading first and foremost.
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@Suggar (3612)
• Bulgaria
30 Jan 11
Hello, interesting questions. I don't think that someone take the new members here as dunces... I think that people are tired to explain and explain simple things which are written in the rules. The information in the FAQs and guidelines is pretty clear and says to all of us what to do or don't do. Of course there is always some difference which comes from our different understanding, all that can be cleared in the discussions. Why people answer to questions with I'm so tired of answering this kind of discussions. Don't you read them?" i don't know and i can't answer to you. Discussions which are posted with double meaning and can be deleted is something very bad for those who answer. I had around 20 posts deleted one month, only because of the structure of the discussion - not because of the meaning. In my opinion the discussions had no wrong character, just wrong way of writing from the poster. So people, who post discussions and those who respond, has to know the rules. Because that way our number of posts go low also we waste time with something, which won't bring earnings to us. My opinion is that every society needs rules. The rules are like the basis of one home. If the home doesn't have basis - there won't have home. That's what all need to know before starting discussion, responding discussion and so on and so on. We need a basis and floor where we can step on ... if we don't have that we will be lost, for me. Also i can compare it with school, if you like the example more - we have to learn our lessons here before participating. We are responsible for our participating and we have to know it. Good luck!
@AKRao24 (4248)
• India
30 Jan 11
Dear friend wje4site, I think there is some confusion prevailing with you! I am one of the senior members of this forum. I have joined this forum almost since its inception! I have always noted that every junior member joining this forum is welcomed warmly with open heart and all the possible guidance is given. May be asking similar questions now and then might have irritated one of the senior members and must have asked to refer the old discussions. I think there is nothing wrong if some one said so, as we have search engine on the forum and we can definitely search if we have any doubts about the forum! many a times new members they don't take trouble to read the FAQ where almost every thing is covered pertaining to this forum. Without referring this section posting a discussion may not be a good idea, and I will not also approve it! So in conclusion I think most of the members here are very generous, open hearted, helping natured and are ever ready in case any genuine help regarding the forum is needed! So be cool and instead of developing any feeling towards seniors or juniors, I would sincerely request you to pay your attention to participate in this forum with an unbiased mind to enjoy this forum to the maximum! Wish you all the best and Mylotting!
@wje4site (170)
• India
30 Jan 11
Thanks for your response. But 1) In many cases, old discussions may be obsolete about the concept. In that case, making redirection to old one is not good idea. Isn't it? 2) Some of the things which are not in faq, (I mean not as clear), what would a newbie do? Unless, getting ideas through discussions, he/she won't know what is good. In that sense, posting discussion about them are the only way. I started this discussion only because I have came through some of the discussion I have seen all over here. Especially in "mylot.com" category. Thanks for your calm response.
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@Hatley (157944)
• Garden Grove, California
31 Jan 11
hi I have never suggested any newcomer go read old discussions but I still do not understand your anger when we try to help by telling you to read all the information. this is not meant as saying oh you are stupid, it is meant to make newcomers see there is some valid reasons to read the guidelines and specially the rules of discussions.also if you are a friend on the older persons mylot friends list you can pm us and ask for help about anything you really do not understand that way neither of us will lose money on a discussion that broke the rule about questions answered in the faq's. let me say I love it here but as I have to use what ever I make to pay my cable net bill and I am elderly and living in a retirement center just on my social security and ss i checks I am not well off so I do count on my earnings much more than you working people as I am 84 and partially handic apped now. I did work til I was80
@wje4site (170)
• India
4 Feb 11
It's happy to here you that you are willing to answer by PM. But I can't get help from all seniors. Even one from admin (GAA) through pm. Once I sent a message, I get deleted from their friends list. It's bad to hear again. However, It may work for others. It's nice to meet you a senior myLotter again here, Regardless of age. :P
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@syoti20 (5296)
• Philippines
31 Jan 11
1) Why you people always treating newbies as dunce? COMMENT: First of all, it is common sense when people join in such site/account/online site.First thing he/she must consider is READING THE GUIDELINES. Because all the possible question is already been tackled or answered. I was in you shoes when I was new. So what I did is read and memorize the guidelines and rules of mylot before making or creating a discussions. 2. 2) If you are not interested, then why you answer? COMMENT: I agree on this, I have encountered this kind of response in my discussions.I really hated if the response is I don't have idea, I am lazy, Make a search blah blah blah. I myself, will give them NEGATIVE REMARKS if I will ready responses like this on my discussion. Responses like this is consider trash, nonsense or irrelevant answer by mylot admin. 3. Stating FAQ. COMMENT: I guess try to asked more specifically or try to wrote down on your discussions. You want more further explanation about on particular part. Many senior mylot user are friendly to guide you. PS: I don't know if I am one of them.
@wje4site (170)
• India
1 Feb 11
"Treating dunce" People may be novice. I accept it. But treating them like this is good for a senior? Then what is the purpose of being Senior and having colorful stars beside names? "Reply" Agreed! (lol, I think now people may aware to response your discussion). "FAQ" Thanks; This is what I do usually.(I thought!!!)..
@syoti20 (5296)
• Philippines
1 Feb 11
Kindly rephrase your response. I can't understand what you are trying to say.. Thank you!
• India
30 Jan 11
Usually, I always welcome the newbie into our mylot. Yes you are supposed to read the FAQ. But the honest truth is, I am in mylot for 4 years and never have I read the FAQ..I have just learned the laws and by laws by just reading the responses and comments. I agree with you, that people can be more polite when they answer back, but some think they are the King, Queen and the lords of mylot and they usually respond arrogantly. It just shows their pettiness. You might get some negative ratings from those arrogant lords,but your discussion is not going to be deleted.As a matter of fact, I am giving you a positive rating.
@mysdianait (63977)
• Italy
30 Jan 11
In the same way that "some think they are the King, Queen and the lords of mylot and they usually respond arrogantly" there are also some mew users who ask for help but don't really want it because they are 'know-it-alls' It is not easy helping out to then get a mouth full of crap back from a new user
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@zralte (4186)
• India
31 Jan 11
Amen to that!! And we are all human being with feelings. Sometimes even oldies can have bad mood and not in the mood to be polite all the time. All of us should understand that any member can have a bad day and be rude a little bit as well.
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• Ecuador
30 Jan 11
I agree with you, I'd like that those old users of mylot were nicest with the new users. I think that old users sometimes just respond that discussions asking for help, because they want to earn from writing, but they don't really want to help. Also, most of those discussions are eliminated, so writing more than 1/2 lines is not worth.
@mysdianait (63977)
• Italy
30 Jan 11
Isn't this: "I think that old users sometimes just respond that discussions asking for help, because they want to earn from writing," rather a contradiction? They know when they help that many times they will earn nothing because the topic will be deleted so how would they earn for giving their advice?
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@Hatley (157944)
• Garden Grove, California
31 Jan 11
thanks diana I as an older person here do tend to ask the newer ones to read all the information but not as someone trying to whip them but to show how easy it makes it to know what you are doing before posting. I often lose five or six responses by trying to help then they kick a person in the shins and say we mistreat them and think they are dunces. I never thought that way,I just assumed anyone entering mylot is an intelligent person. I am wondering if newcomers think because we are older that we dont deserve some gratitude instead of being called on the carpet as meanies? I have feelings too and do not like being accused of thinking newcomers are dunces,And is it not nice to help someolne by telling them where to find the helpful information? I do not think its hateful?If I did not want to help I would not respond knowing that I will lose my respnse.grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
@GreenMoo (11842)
30 Jan 11
I've never understood the thing with people answering discussions which don't interest them myself. There are so many interesting discussions around that I don't see why people do it! I tend to feel that if you haven't got something positive to contribute then don't do it.
@wje4site (170)
• India
30 Jan 11
The same question I am asking. But I think they may run after money. :D
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@thanks1961 (7049)
• India
30 Jan 11
Hi dear, There is no need to get downsized here. Without being a newbie, no one can become an older here. Even I was a newbie when I joined and if someone talking the term 'newbie' it is not to take them behind. Also, I don't think any one who have experiences over here would motivated any one and from my experience, they are taken care of all the newbies here. Anyone who starts with saying 'I am a newbie', I have seen that majority of the people started the response with a word 'Welcome to the family of myLot'. If the experienced members say in such a way, it is not because they are categorising them or separating by calling newbies. But of course, not all are like you. Many people who comes here for the first time and atleat for a week time, they may not be fully aware of the moving around with myLot. All are agreeing to also. Because, whichever site we go for the first time, it is not necessary that they will go through the entire FAQs, as most of them, are common in nature. But on the way up, slowly they will realise many things and mean time they will understand what can be done and what should not. Even the people who uses for more than 6 months also are not very well aware how exactly it works. The reasons may be any - they many not checked, informed, not aware, not interested etc. So, while on discussion, if anyone make a mention of some simple short cuts or common things, but we often ignore and such things are always should accepted with gratitude. Though it is not a stage to proclaim all, the UNITY & ONENESS among the people are quite different from other social sites, my experience tells all. If you prepared to stick on here, I am sure that you will convince all in the coming few weeks or months. Have a nice day and best regards, Thank-s