job applications

United States
February 15, 2011 3:10pm CST
I have been unemployed now for almost 18 months and have been filling out applications on line. First lets start with some facts, I have been self employed for 20 years, then worked full time as a cake decoarator for a major company for over 4 years until I was fired for lack of production, BUT when they fired me, they told me I was rehireable! does that make any sense? Here's my frustration, has anyone else noticed this? I fill out job applications and I get these tax credit questions that qualifies the employer to tax credits if they hire you, but I don't qualify for any of them! These questions include: Are you between 16 & 40?....no I am over 50 Do you receive SSI...No I am not old enough! Have you or anyone in your family received state aid?....no we don't qualify! Then there will be several more questions about receiving state aid...none of which we have ever received. Now, if you are between 16 and 40 you probably never thought about these questions. But I would think it would fall under age discrimination wouldn't you? But they are for tax purposes so they get away with it! Anyway, I am very discouraged right now because my health insurance runs out in another month and I can't afford to buy it.
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@sacmom (14315)
• United States
16 Feb 11
I may be under 40, but I have thought about these questions as I've been looking for work myself. I don't think it's fair to ask potential employees a lot of these questions as some of them seem like an invasion of privacy. But I'm just a mom so what do I know. The one question that bothers me the most has got to be 2nd one you mentioned: "Do you receive SSI?" I don't receive it for myself, but I just recently got my oldest son, who is autistic, on SSDI (boy, was that a mistake). And although I did receive one check so far, my husband and I had to pay it back. Apparently we had too much in resources? So I'm not quite sure how to answer that one. What's even worse is that I haven't had much work experience as I've been a stay at home mom since before my oldest was born (he'll be 14 in a few months). I know this is a big X against me in the working world. Employers seem to only want someone with experience, and recent experience at that, even if they state experience isn't necessary. How exactly am I supposed to get this experience if no one's willing to hire me? Talk about discouraging. But still, I continue to apply and send out applications as I'm not going to give up! And neither should you! Keep sending out those applications! And remember not to get too discouraged. A lot of people are looking for work, not just us, so the only thing we can do is keep on trying and hope for the best! Good luck and happy mylotting! PS Before I forget, I want to add that the first question "are you between 16 & 40?" bothers me as well and in my opinion shouldn't even apply to job applications. If people are capable and willing to work this shouldn't count as some sort of "qualification" or not. Some of the hardest working people are over 40. The same can even be said about those that are under 16. Age should have nothing to do with it.
• United States
16 Feb 11
I think the question I been answering is 'do you or anyone in your household receive SSI'..There are different forms of SS. SSI Is the Supplemental Security Income and that is based on household income and property, basically to get it you can't have or own anything. But the SSDI (Social Security Disability Income) should not be effected by your own personal income. Have you found an attorney to fight this? My son ran into the previous work experience too, when he graduated from high school. I never wanted my kids to work in school, I wanted them to enjoy their senior year in school with all the activities, they have the rest of their life to work. So when he graduated and started looking for work, while he was attending ITT, the employers questioned why he had not worked. He did get a job at WalMart's and worked there until after his graduation from ITT, now he is a maintence supervisor for some auto company in another state. The people over 40 and over 50 are the ones that grew up learning how to work, and they WORK! I could not believe the difference in the attitudes of the young kids that came in compared to us "old folks" and I could not believe how much I had to clean up in back of them! One day when I went in, I had to spend 2 hours cleaning before I could even start my job...part of the reason for my "lack of production" but none of the managers would say a thing to them about it! When I was working I could not believe I had to teach the 21 year old girl HOW TO WASH DISHES! She had no clue! Until she came in that bakery she had NEVER washed dishes! I could always tell who worked my day off by the way the dishes were washed!!!! And you would think the management would be concerned about this as a 'health issue' but NOPE!!! I really liked your answer and I hope you find a job. You didn't say where you were looking, If I were you I would try McDonald's! My daughter worked there and was promoted to manager as soon as she graduated high school. I would go there but I want health insurance and to get it you have to be manager and their managers move from store to store and also work all kinds of hours and I am just to old for all of that! But you could probley do it, even if you go their and get the work experience then move somewhere else. This was what my daughter did, at one time- for a very short time - she was working 3 jobs, from McDonalds she had gone to the gas station, then she got into a factory (something else I don't want because I don't want to be owned!) For awhile, she worked all 3 of them!!! Then she stayed at the factory until after the birth of her 3 child, now she is a stay at home mom and babysits for a couple friends. Good luckto you and thanks for your response.
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@sacmom (14315)
• United States
18 Feb 11
Unfortunately it does, so an attorney wouldn't do any good. I've been looking pretty much everywhere. Wal-Mart, Target, Costco, Walgreen's, 7-Eleven, CVS, Best Buy, Denny's, grocery stores, pet stores, veterinary hospitals, etc. I haven't tried McDonald's as of yet (I've been sick with a cold so I've put my job search on hold temporarily), but I did try over at one of their rivals (Jack in the Box) beforehand and apparently they aren't hiring. Like you, I want the benefits...including social security later on down the road. But those aren't the only reasons I'm looking for a job. I need the work. Gotta pay the bills and buy food, after all. So I'd prefer a full-time job over a part time one, although at this point I'd go with either. So, what about you? Where have you been looking?
@sacmom (14315)
• United States
18 Feb 11
Oh, and I just have to ask, how in the world did this girl get a job in the first place if she didn't know how to do dishes? Let me guess. She had other "qualifying attributes"?
@HarryS88 (33)
• Indonesia
16 Feb 11
I am really sorry to hear your concern. I can understand how frustrated you are. In my opinion, you don't have to search for any job. Just simply be an entrepreneur and you can be successful in your job. In my country, many housewives who work from their home make pastries themselves. Then they deal in cookies and pastries in facebook or forums. It proves efficient to earn some extra money, especially in this tougher time. Their homemade pastries are quickly sold out. Maybe you would like to consider this one method. In addition, you are experienced in making cakes. I think you should try to sell your cakes in the internet. Hope that helps :)
• United States
16 Feb 11
Thank you so much for the compliment. Unfortunately here in the United States we have so many health laws, depending on the state you live in, that this is not a reasonable option for us! Our church had to get a health department permit to have a benefit dinner to help a cancer patient with expenses! If I remember right we had to pay $150 for the one day permit, not sure after all the expenses that we really made that much for them! I use to make cakes at home (if you look at my profile pictures you will see some of them) but our laws have gotten so tough and it is a 3 day job to make one of those cakes! Much easier to go to work where every thing is premade and just do the basics and at the end of 8 hours come home, not to mention I made much more money!!!! We will soon be going into graduation season here and there should be many part time jobs opening for cake decorators, certainly I am qualified for it. But what I am realy looking for is the steady income to pay health insurance or a job that I can get with the insurance. I don't wnat a factory because the hours are so long and demanding. My daughter has a great paying job with fantastic benefits, but I don't want to work 12 hour days, 7 days a week and work different shifts too! Maybe if I was about 30 years younger that would appeal but it doesn't. right now I am going to school to get a degree in business management and I want to be able to devote 100% of my time to getting the good grades. Thanks for your response.
• Indonesia
16 Feb 11
I can conclude living in the US is very tough right now, not like I used to imagine. Maybe the economic condition worldwide is getting worse, so it can affect all of us. I am very surprised to know that it will take three days to make a cake. I can't help thinking how hard you make a cake. It will need patience and perseverance to do it. Health insurance is very important, but in my country people including me are reluctant to participate in health insurance. Know what? because we have to earn money to live daily, but it is so difficult. So how can we pay health insurance? Maybe for affluent people in my country, money is not a big deal. But for most of us, earning money is very very hard to do. I am very interested in your effort to further study to obtain a bachelor's degree. Two thumbs up to you. You are a real hard worker. Thanks :)
• United States
16 Feb 11
I think the economic condition is worldwide and not improving. They tell us here that the unemployment rate is going down, but I don't think they count the people that are off unemployment because it has ran out and they have nothing or the ones that are off unemployment because they are working 2 parttime jobs. More and more employers are hiring for parttime instead of full time, just because of the employer expenses involved with full time. I start my cakes on Thursday and bake them and let them cool, depending on how cool they are I might layer them and put one coat of frosting on them to set overnight. If possible this is what I prefer to do, makes a much nicer finished product. Remember these are not pre frozen cakes, so they are baked fresh and I have all the mess to clean up. On Fridays I put 2 more coats of frosting on them and let it set then start decorating, an all day process. Depending on what I am doing for flowers, I might have made them earlier in the week or if they are ones I can do directly on the cake then I do that Friday afternoon. Saturday is usually when I take the cakes and set them up, even if they are for Sunday. I prefer to do it on Saturday. I spend Friday night cleaning the mess from decorating, so yes it does take very much patience and perserverance to do them. When I was working we had frozen cakes and also we only did cupcakes, 10" round cakes and sheetcakes, so it was, partially thaw the cake, they frost much better slightly frozen but the trick was to not have them to frozen or to thawed. We frosted decorated and packaged all right now. We were to do 10 cakes per hour for the cake case and 6 cakes per hour if they were special orders. IF they would leave me alone (not wait on customers, or answer the phone, or put away supplies or figure out what my team lead needed to order) then I could almost meet the goal, sometimes, depending on what I was doing I could go over it and sometimes I would be under it. I am really enjoying my school. It is online and so far it has been very time consumming but my grades are excellant. Thanks for responding again.
• United States
16 Feb 11
I've had my own problems and finally went into business for myself. My only health insurance is that I have enough money to buy gas to drive to Mexico if I get sick (they wanted $1,000/month for castastrophic-only insurance that had a deductible of $15,000). Since I haven't had as much as a sniffle in ten years, I decided to skip it and told my family that if I were in a drastic accident not to keep me alive so they wouldn't be stuck with the bills. I even filled out a medical wishes document to the same effect and filed it. I guess that I am completely unhireable as I am 50+ and worked overseas for small private companies most of my adult life. There is no place to put on the employment form that you worked for $400 a month where the average person makes $4/day. They just look at that $400 a month and decide that you're not worth anything.
• United States
16 Feb 11
BTW I wish you the best of luck in finding something. If you lived close to me I would train you and hire you.
• United States
16 Feb 11
Well I guess I wished I lived close to you! I know I need to be thankful for all that I have and I am. I don't have to worry about our house or cars because everything is paid off! We have income, just not enough to cover the health insurance. If I continue with it past my expiration,picking it up on my own, right now it is still through my previous employer, then I have to pay over $800 a month, but my unemployment checks are just over $600. So you can see the problem! While we were selfemployed I did all the hiring and all the insurance and even all the taxes, so I have the experience and the understanding! but it was all self taught, no degrees! So none of it is worth anything in a employment market! I understand what you mean about filling out the applications and trying to explain that previous history, I have the 20 years of self employment and that has gone against me from the beginning! I think they think I am to independant!thanks for the response!
@Ichiru101 (285)
• United States
16 Feb 11
I haven't had my first job yet sadly. So I can not fully understand what you mean. My dad however used to be a engineer, and was fired. He is now trying to do his best to get another job but can only apply as a bus driver because he only specialize in one major. In a way I am sure you are a talented person and still capable of a new job.
• United States
16 Feb 11
Thank you Ichiru. I hope your dad finds something. I know I would never make it driving a bus! I would have no tolerance for that! I am looking forward to the day I finish this schooling and can get a job besides decorating cakes, but for now, if that is what I have to do, I will be thankful that I have that ability.
@ANTIQUELADY (36488)
• United States
16 Feb 11
I can see why u are so frustrated w/this. Hope u find a good solution to your problem.
• United States
16 Feb 11
I am frustrated! I am also getting 'scared' as I only have 2 weeks to figure out my insurance! It may not expire till the middle of March but I have to know by the 1st what I am going to do! If I knew I had a job so I could pay the premiumns then I would know what direction to go. This is right where I was 5 years ago when I went to work! Then I had the insurance, just needed the $$ to pay for it. Then after I worked and got full time I got their insurance, and trust me, regardless of what others say IT WAS GOOD INSURANCE! Thanks for your response.
@Cutie18f (9563)
• Philippines
16 Feb 11
I know that there are so many out there who are in the same situation. It is not easy, most especially when you have reached that certain age. Don't you want to go into business again? I can see that you have skills which can be useful to future employers.
• United States
16 Feb 11
I thought I had skills that would be useful but I couldn't even get an interview, I think the 'self employed' turned employers off as they looked at it as being to independant! I don't want to go back to trucking as we were before, and I don't want my own cake business because I know the work that it involves and I don't have the $$ to do that, to make it successful it would have to require hiring of people, and there isn't enough $$ to make it worth while! Right now I am going doing an online University to learn business adminsitration with a concentration in medical coding and billing and I wouldn't mind trying to turn that into a business after I graduate. When I was working we had a girl in our department that was having trouble with her insurance and I told her a few things and she went and asked our human resource gal about it and came back and said "You were right!"...I KNEW that!!! I did all of our companies insurances, so you are right I do have the skills and knowledge and would require little training, but somehow I don't qualify for the positions. They want education and that I don't have! Thaks for responding.
• United States
16 Feb 11
My previous job was something else, though I don't know if I would be considered a canadate for a re-hire. But I wouldn't of wanted to go back there as I was planning on quitting when they let me go, except they beat me to the punch by a few months. I don't understand what that question has to do with anything in regards to your age? But sadly we live in a world where if you are not a youngster anymore they look @ your application last if at all. Because you will be expecting a decent wage and benefits to go with that job. My Aunt lost her job yrs ago when a company took over the hospital... if you had enough vacation and a good wage they said BUB BYE! So in a way I laugh when people rush into the medical field because they have cuts here atleast 1-2x a year. I'd say if you are good at decorating, see about starting up your own business again making cakes? It's worth a shot especially with being self employed for so long previously you know the in's and out's of things.
• United States
16 Feb 11
I had no intentions on quitting. I had compared my job to other places doing the same and when other employess complained about our job I always gave them "pep talks"...one employee told me when I was fired "that makes no sense, your the ONLY person that enjoys working here!"..I go into the store everyonce in awhile and see my friends and one of them told me how much she missed me because no matter what when I came in I was always smiling and she just didn't see how I could do that! HEALTH INSURANCE!!! When ever I got discouraged I reminded myself of that! The really sad thing is in my job I had the most experience and was the LOWEST paid person in the bakery!!!! The whole 'hype' is to go into the medical field, it is the fastest growing field. I am going for medical coding and billing but I will also have business administration with it. I am good at decorating but to have my own business, there is to many health department laws to pass and I don't have the $$ to start up not even with a business loan! Reality is -- I couldn't make the payments! If I could do that I could just pay my insurance and be done with it. Even the self employed goes against me looking for a job, I guess they see it as to independant. The only reason I got the job I had was because they were desperate for a cake decorator and come May they will be again! the ? then will be will they hire someone "OLD" with the experience so they don't have to train them or some one young that has to be taught? Believe it or not when I was working before, parttime, and the opening for Full Time decorator opened up they didn't even OFFER it to me even though I had put in for it, they gave it to this girl that was 30 and had NEVER frosted a cake! I had to TEACH her everything!!!!!! Later she quit and then they did give it to me and I was full time decorater for 21/2 years! Thanks for your response.
@dong88 (796)
• China
16 Feb 11
Oh,I have a friend with you is the same.She was a woman,the age less than 40 years old,in accordance with the relevant government regulations,cannot enjoy protection subsidies,the life is difficult.Recently,she found a job.Wish you will soon find a good job!
• United States
16 Feb 11
I am sure that I will get rehired with the cake decorating but it won't be till April or even May, If I knew for certain, then I would know what to do with my insurance! I need the $$ to pay the premiums! This is right where I was 5 years ago when I went to work! Thanks for your response, glad your friend found a job!
@bunnybon7 (37431)
• Holiday, Florida
16 Feb 11
OMG, thats exactly what it is. age discrimination! they find a way to get away with everything these days. My son just told me to that Obama is again thinking about lowering things from social security. he didnt go into details, but it amazes me that he can get away with making laws that help out illegals and people that havent paid into the government and yet get away with messing with us that have paid out the yazoo to them.
• United States
16 Feb 11
Well don't forget to blame all of our congressmen in that because without them he couldn't do it. THEY could veto him and THEY can override his decisions so THEY need to step up too! I try not to think about all the things that illegals and even legal immigrendts get in this country when they come, it just infuriates me to much and I don't need it. Thanks for your response.
@GardenGerty (102585)
• United States
15 Feb 11
Hi, the question about SSI is about disability payments, but I am sure you do not get that either. I am also over fifty and unemployed, and there is nothing in my town right now. I have not had insurance in a year. I have had three part time/temporary jobs since I voluntarily left the other job. It was stressing me way too much. Having had the other three jobs finally qualified me for unemployment. Is there any other position other than decorator at your former employer that you could fill?
• United States
15 Feb 11
My husband hasn't worked since 2003 and was denied disablilty (SSI) Neither of us are old enough for retirement. He just turned 60 this year. I just reapplied to the company for parttime decorating. Some of the positions that they have available I would not want to do. If they take me back it will be 2 years before I can get health insurance through them as part time. Right now I am doing online college classes for business administration with medical coding and billing. We have rental income and that covers our bills, but not enough for health insurance and they have cut my unemployment checks by $150, and the insurance we have right now, a carry over from my job, expires next month. Thanks for your response. I did fill out a job application today that did NOT ask those questions! So maybe that will lead to something. It even let me put in that I was enrolled in school, none of the others let me put that in.
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• India
16 Feb 11
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