Here is the contraversial legislation in Wisconsin

@Taskr36 (13928)
United States
February 19, 2011 11:23am CST
http://legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/data/SB-13.pdf Go ahead and give it a good read. I really want to know which part of this is so horrible that it justifies 14 state senators abandoning the jobs they were elected and paid to do and fleeing the state. I also want to know how disagreeing with this bill justifies teachers violating their current union contracts and going on strike, thus abandoning the children they are paid to teach and causing hardships to the parents of those children who must now pay for child care when their children should be in school. I'm betting that the majority of teachers on strike haven't read this short piece of legislation. I think they've been fed a load of crap from their unions and, rather than think for themselves, have abandoned their jobs just buying the load of bull fed to them by their unions.
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@trruk1 (1031)
• United States
19 Feb 11
The governor wants to limit bargaining to wages only. He has been clear about his intentions, which are to break the unions. While he complains about the state budget deficit, he fails to mention the state just gave some businesses $150 million in tax breaks. That increases the deficit. The problem with paying for benefits for public employees is that this state, like nearly all the other states, agreed to provide the benefits but decided not to set aside the money to pay for them.
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@anniepa (26451)
• United States
19 Feb 11
You nailed it! From what I've heard and seen, the people of Wisconsin are on the side of the workers for the most part. Annie
@Taskr36 (13928)
• United States
19 Feb 11
So show me what part of the bill is so terrible. I linked to it above. I even provided supplemental links to the laws being modified below. "he fails to mention the state just gave some businesses $150 million in tax breaks" That's because it has nothing to do with the current bill. States are giving businesses tax breaks to keep businesses there, and lure them away from other states. California raised taxes on businesses so much that they have been cripple by all the businesses LEAVING their state. Their revenues went DOWN by raising taxes on businesses because not only did these businesses leave, but their employees either left or joined the ranks of the unemployed. Raising taxes at the state level is always a gamble. Annie, I've seen polls going both ways. It's pretty much a 50/50 split as I've never seen a poll showing more than 52% one way or the other.
@anniepa (26451)
• United States
19 Feb 11
Response number two pretty much says all that I wanted to say. I know we disagree on this but I guess this is one of the most basic differences between "left and "right"; the left is usually in favor of unions and the right is all for management and of the belief that these working class people should be thankful they have a job. What I'd consider "so horrible" if I were one of those workers or one of those Senators is that once the unions are "busted" they'll be gone for good and with them the only real protection some workers have. I've said before that most unions are far from perfect and I'd like to see some changes made but I don't want to see them destroyed and dismantled, ESPECIALLY when it's for purely political reasons. I've also already said I think the teachers could be handling this differently so as to not put the parents under so much hardship and extra expenses. As for the state senators, it seems rather silly but the reason they fled the state was because Wisconsin State Police were instructed to look for them and make them return to the capitol. They didn't want to go there so a vote couldn't be taken since they didn't have a quorum. Basically, they're attempting to buy some time in the hopes an agreement can be reached. The unions are willing to give more than a little, they just don't want to permanently give up their right to collective bargaining. Annie
@Taskr36 (13928)
• United States
19 Feb 11
"working class people should be thankful they have a job." I always think people should be treated properly and that high unemployment is no excuse to treat employees like crap. That said, these employees are making more money than I EVER have and they're benefits are also better than anything I've ever had. Annie, which part of the bill "busts" the unions? They wouldn't be abolished or dismantled by it. It just sets new regulations. I think it's funny how democrats are all for regulating everything except unions. Do you really think it's ok for them to abandon their jobs to block a vote? You were completely against the GOP filibusters a short while ago, but at least they showed up. These people are literally fugitives right now.
@trruk1 (1031)
• United States
19 Feb 11
You are angry at them because they make more money than you do? How weird. How--socialistic.
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@dark_joev (3043)
• United States
19 Feb 11
What little I can understand of the Laws in Wisconsin and the changes being proposed is that they will still have the right to collectively Bargain on some of the issues. That they would be concerned with now assuming that this isn't excluding any public unions in that all Public Unions will have to bargain over just pay increases and what ever else isn't cut from this so the Unions aren't being busted they get to keep Collective Bargaining and well they get to bargain on everything but how much the employee has to pay for their benefits. I am not for this much limitation and feel that they shouldn't have to do this as the Public Unions should be willing to take these hits because keeping the state in the Black should be important to them. I know that the Union I am a part of is also concerned about keeping us happy and also make sure the company that we have to bargain with is also kept fairly happy and since well the Company I work for has been dealing with this Union for quite sometime there seems to be a long lasting love hate relationship between the two and there should be the same thing between Public Sector Unions as well.
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@dark_joev (3043)
• United States
19 Feb 11
Ummm I most of missed something because I didn't see where it was even limiting what they could bargain on. I tried to find it but couldn't Also it seems that this bill isn't doing much except for redefining where people are placed in to their respectful collective Bargaining units. Also it seems that the state is just taking it into there own hands for when they reach a deadlock to have a third party come in that is within the state instead of the Federal Government coming in to settle things. Also if only the Feds could make laws that where this short. I didn't see where it was limiting what they could bargain on or where it was getting rid of the rights for the people to collectively bargain. After hearing the governor speak makes me wonder if he has read it.
@Taskr36 (13928)
• United States
19 Feb 11
To fully understand the changes unfortunately you must look at the statutes it refers to. Most of them are in 111. http://legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/Stat0111.pdf and it makes a few references to 36 http://legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/Stat0036.pdf Line 16 is where it mentions some of the restrictions, but you must look at the original law to understand the restrictions. I agree that it's nice that the bill is short. It's just too bad it requires looking at other laws to get it. It would probably still only be 10 pages if they included the referenced laws at the end for people to understand.
@ClassyCat (1214)
• United States
19 Feb 11
I think that all of those democrats should be voted out next election. None of the rest of us coudl leave our jobs, if we didn't like what was going on - why should they? Don't think they understand the oath they took when they were sworn in. But by chance if they really did - - - show them the door!
@dark_joev (3043)
• United States
19 Feb 11
Well the politicians have their own issues as for the Union Represented Employees I believe they have a right to strike. I am kinda surprised they didn't do a walk out.
@Destiny007 (5820)
• United States
22 Feb 11
Nothing justifies those senators or any other elected official refusing to do their job. As they have abandoned their office, the House Speaker should warrants for their arrest and seek extradition to have them brought back. Once they are in the chamber, then a quorum will exist and it doesn't matter whether or not the silly democrats vote or not. Heavy fines and censure should be imposed... and since they don't like their jobs... they should be expelled and replaced. As to the teachers... their strike is illegal, and they should be fired immediately. Unions have no business in our schools, our government, or our businesses... they should be outlawed in this country altogether.
@dark_joev (3043)
• United States
22 Feb 11
So people don't have the right to Unionize I guess then we should ban churches too as they are just like Unions you know grouping people together to support each other. I like your ideas you must want the government telling you what to do and how to do it. Also you must support the expansion of government and the government bailing out big business. You are a big government supporter its okay though because in this great country you have that right just as the workers have the right to Unionize if they so choose anything else would violate the constitution but you don't care much about that do you? Unions have business in all those places because the Workers in those places have the choice to Unionize or not. You don't get to make that choice. The Individuals in the school, government or in the Business have that choice as Individuals.
• United States
19 Feb 11
This is all a big joke and a load of crap. Then again, I think our public school systems aren't worth the money we all pour into them.