What Bargaining Rights are the Unions Giving Up in Wisconsin?

@bobmnu (8160)
United States
March 8, 2011 1:03am CST
I live in Wisconsin and have worked with public sector Unions (I was management). From what I can see what the Unions are giving up is 1. State forcing people to join the Union and the State Collecting the dues for the Union. 2. Under the new law Unions would have to be re-certified each year. If they are truly working for the workers this should be no problem. 3. They would no longer be able to determine when and how they will be evaluated and what can be included in the evaluation. 4. They would no longer be able to bargain for working conditions - That every teacher have a computer in their room. Not be forced to do grading or parent communications. 5. They would no longer have a say in who gets laid off when numbers drop. 1. What they would still have Legal Just Cause for firing (Wis Code Chapt. 63) 2. They could still bargain wages with in limits. 3. They would still work the same number of days according to State Law. Even with the new law they would have more rights that Federal Employees who lost them when the Democrats controlled Congress and President Carter was in office. I would like to know what you think of the right they will still have and what important rights are they giving up under the law and please be specific.
3 responses
@edb225112 (125)
• United States
8 Mar 11
You make a good points. Currently, yelling, demagoguery, and slogans are all we get. Issues can not be discussed in sound bites and neither can they be discussed if you are not in the state to do so. All of those 70s radials are now in positions of power and have learned that the loudest voices are the only ones who are heard. Reason need not apply. Reasoned discourse and intellectual exploration has disappeared. Until we can listen to each other, define a true issue, and debate it openly, we will be ruled by the radical loudmouth.
@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
8 Mar 11
Being peaceful and law abiding does not make the news. Breaking the rules name calling and disrespect does make the news.
@Taskr36 (13924)
• United States
8 Mar 11
Dude, I even provided the legislation for people who wanted to say how horrible it was along with the relevant laws that were being changed. What I got was a few left wingers who just regurgitated what they heard on MSNBC without even trying to read the bill. I have yet to get anyone on the left to acknowledge that Wisconsin workers would still have more collective bargaining powers than federal workers. They also won't acknowledge that Obama and the democrats in congress did NOTHING to help federal workers with their collective bargaining powers.
@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
8 Mar 11
If the people will not even read the bill do they just repeat what is in the text books and call it teaching. you don't know how many parents have complained to me about a teacher then said please do not use my child's name because they were afraid of the teacher taking it out on the child. It is the same as a worker being said do not complain about the Union.
@matersfish (6311)
• United States
8 Mar 11
Good luck, bombmnu. I've been asking the same thing to every uberpro-union supporter for weeks - what exactly are they giving up that's so bad? I hear some folks going off on rant after rant about the "workers' rights," but when I ask for specifics on how this will hurt any worthy union worker, I can't get a response outside of "Oh, it's union busting," or "They only want to stop Democratic campaign funding." Now, maybe I'm taking the wrong approach here, but it seems to me that public unions should not be setting its teachers' standards or how peers are evaluated or who gets laid off if that unfortunate scenario arises. And they can still bargain for pay. Unless someone can give another side to this, as in how it's so detrimental to the "average workers," I have to say that this seems fair. Specifically when you're speaking about teachers, the in-house evaluation and handling of bad or inept teachers is out and out fraud on every parent sending their child to public school. I'm not saying that every teacher gets to sleep through the system until they get tenure. But it is obvious that keeping as many teachers as they can and grading on the curve is in a union's best interest, because it's another dues-paying member, another potential vote they need. To start letting bad teachers go or, heaven forbid (), to pay the worse-performing ones less, it would start a chain reaction and completely change the general makeup of how the system works. Why shouldn't the current setup change? That's all I want to know.
@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
8 Mar 11
Like the Democrat Politicians they listen to the Union and don't think or research for themselves. There is an excellent research article by the Heritage Foundation http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/117290533.html that touches on one of the biggest reasons the Union Leadership is fighting so hard against Gov. Walker. Their salaries and their political power are being challenged. Almost all the political donations are made to the Democrats. Unlike the Koch Brothers who give their money to candidates and causes the Unions are giving away other peoples money even though many of the members don not support the candidate or cause.