Imagine-Although This Could Never Happen (Sad)

@jujunme (2406)
United States
March 23, 2011 3:57pm CST
Just imagine if every time someone used the neg (-) button here, their username would pop up on your screen every time you receive a neg vote and not just this, they would also have to supply the reason they voted that way.I realize this is just wishful thinking and could never really happen, but wouldn't it be great if it could? There would, without a doubt, be far less neg raters here, since it's quite obvious people are clicking that neg button for no good reason.
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11 responses
• United States
23 Mar 11
jujunme the rating system is not used as it was intended. I just keep hoping that members use it appropriately, as it was intended. I never use the neg button and continually am using the plus. So not sure how the suggestion would help because it does not appear that myLot can do anything about it. I know a few members who were trolled so badly that their 10 dropped overnight to a 2. All admin could do was bring them to a 5 so not sure how any suggestion can help. I just continue to be and not concentrate on the ratings.
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• United States
23 Mar 11
Perhaps, but it will also cause a major havoc. Don't think Lamb that someone intentionally negging would care to stop unless Admin(s) does something about it. Remember after 100 they can rate.
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@jujunme (2406)
• United States
23 Mar 11
"I do agree that if someone negged someone else, the person that "received" the neg got a popup or something, saying who negged them, that it would make many of these people "abusing"the neg button back off" Lamb:Of course, as you mentioned in your first response it wouldn't matter if you,i or anyone who uses the neg button fairly knew they received the vote from us.But, as you mention here, those who use it for spiteful reasons,would "back off" since it's obvious how safe they feel knowing no one knows exactly who they are, so they use it to their hearts content. HWG: as i mentioned in this discussion,this is just wishful thinking and not something that could possibly happen. but, don't you think if some of the neg raters had to give a "good" reason as to why they vote the way they do?,they may just back off, since some of them just do it out of pure spite.
• United States
24 Mar 11
I was going to comment but noticed I would have duplicated my comment with mysd response below, so I commented there. LOL, as per guidelines we should not duplicate, lol..
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@zralte (4186)
• India
24 Mar 11
I think your suggestion has advantages as well as disadvantages. As you and The Lamb mentioned, it will certainly deter the cowards who are just negging out of spit. However, I think it can also cause negging war. As in the other member felt he/she was negged unfairly and neg the member who negged him and so on....going round and round in circle. I like the suggestion of older Lotters (could be The Lamb, mysD someone else) - the neg and the report button combined - so when you neg someone, you got to give a reason. And if the admin see fit (violation or against Tos), the neg stays. And if it is neg wrongfully, the neg goes away.
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@zralte (4186)
• India
25 Mar 11
Me too. I don't use the neg button much. To say I don't use at all would be lying, but I use it very rarely. Only when I see repeated offenders even after older lotters telling them their violations, that sort of thing. I have no problem if my neg is shown to the members that I neg and giving them the reason. If only we all grow up and start using the site as it is intended.....I guess that will always be wishful thinking.
@jujunme (2406)
• United States
26 Mar 11
Sadly,i do agree with you
@inedible (771)
• Singapore
23 Mar 11
That would be awesome. The site would be full of catfights between everyone and everyone else who uses the rating system, as everyone would disagree with why they're being voted down and would scream about it. Well, "everyone" might be an exaggeration, but I still think this would be horrible if it were ever implemented. Just because someone says they're being voted down for no good reason doesn't mean it's true. I'm sure it does happen sometimes, but I'm also sure most of the negative votes are done with good reason. Just having to add a reason sounds a bit sensible (in case admins want to check for people abusing the ratings system), but letting the recipient of the rating see it is a bad idea.
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@jujunme (2406)
• United States
24 Mar 11
You say you're sure most of the negative votes are done with "good reason" but,when many members are posting discussions on how their ratings are dropping seemingly overnight and not just by 1 or 2 points, you would have to think there are those who are using the neg button for the wrong reasons. Plus what i've learned from many of the veteran members here, this has been going on for a long time and has really been getting out of hand.Also, people are already "screaming" about their ratings going down,even without knowing who's using the neg button, you would have to think that if the habitual neg raters had to provide a good reason as to why their voting a certain person negatively,the ones doing it for spiteful reasons, would eventually just back off.
@inedible (771)
• Singapore
24 Mar 11
Firstly, I said "most". I've seen those posts too about people's ratings dropping, but are those the recipients of most of the negative votes or are they in the minority? Just because they complain more doesn't mean they're affected more - It could be that most negative votes are given appropriately and people just don't really notice it as much, or they can accept it. Second, I don't know any of those people. They say their points drop for no reason, but for all I know, it could be due to a good reason that they haven't noticed or just aren't willing to acknowledge. It's possible that the system is being abused, but if so, wouldn't it be better to just limit the amount of negative votes you can give to a single user in a certain timeframe?
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@inedible (771)
• Singapore
24 Mar 11
Clarification: I'm not saying that you're wrong about the existence of abuse of the system. I'm simply saying that I can't just take your word that it happens. Just because a lot of people think something is true, doesn't make it true. And it's normal for people to want to believe that someone or something else is at fault when something bad happens, so there's always a bias when people try to find the reason behind a problem. So yeah, it's possible that there is abuse (which is why I suggested invisible reason for admins to check when abuse is reported, or a maximum negative threshold by the same person in a short time), but it's also possible that the people affected have (accidentally?) posted insensitive topics that genuinely offended a lot of people, or posted repeat/disallowed topics that were deleted, or used discussions as their "private" messaging system for conversations, or something.
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@Netsbridge (3242)
• United States
24 Mar 11
I am glad to know that you know those numbers by one's avatar means nothing here on Mylot! Several Myloters, especially the propagandas, would simply use the -ve button on anyone with opinion different from theirs. On the other hand, you can almost always tell that someone is not a die-hard republican or a blind crowd follower by simply noting how low their rating have become.
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@cream97 (29169)
• United States
24 Mar 11
Hi. jujunme. Yes, this would be a great idea. I don't think that anyone is using the button at all for any of my discussions. My rating stays the same everyday. It has been like this for over a year as of now. I would like to see whom is rating me positive or negative. And I bet that many people will not rate me or anyone negative anymore once they found out that we could see whom it was. Many people get away with rating others negative just for the h*** of it. It is wrong and it is very sad that myLot does not have this feature. If they did, then many people would not rate others wrongly.
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@jujunme (2406)
• United States
24 Mar 11
Yes, it is very wrong and i wish we could have some sort of control over those who neg rate out of spite or meanness, since it's very obvious this is going on and for far too long. I,like you have had the same rating for quite awhile now and i guess we can count ourselves as lucky, since so many users have complained about their ratings are dropping and not by just 1 or 2 points, but dramatically. and what makes it so easy for these neg raters to use it unfairly is that no one really knows who they are or what their reasons are for doing this.it would be very different if they had to give a good enough reason for doing so.
@kylanie (1205)
• United States
23 Mar 11
I think it would be different if that happened I know that I wonder what people put if it's neg or not about my comments.
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@jennyze (7048)
• Indonesia
24 Mar 11
Brilliant idea. I would like to know who they are, and why? I would know how to treat them in future and which discussion I should avoid to respond. I would wait till they fall, and I would launch my own attack.
@jujunme (2406)
• United States
24 Mar 11
Yes, you,i and a lot of people would also like to know who they are.but, then again it would most likely start an all out war if we did know.but, i still think the best part of my suggestions would be is if the spiteful neg raters were forced to give a "good" reason why they're voting negatively , or else their vote wouldn't go through, i bet a whole lot of them would just back off, since we all know many of them are dong it on spite.
@jennyze (7048)
• Indonesia
25 Mar 11
I guess an open war is better than the sneaking people aiming at unaware members.
@jujunme (2406)
• United States
25 Mar 11
Sneaky is right and if i may add,cowardly as well.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
25 Mar 11
I have another complaint on how features are used on mylot. When you post a response you are given the opportunity to also add a tag, I think these are then used to find subject matter easier in discussions you may want to respond to. These tags are suppose to reflect the subject matter of the discussion and reponses. Lately, I've been seeing insulting tags that are designed to offend and added merely to insult the poster. My discussion on the Japan disaster is one such instance. I also see tags were added to show me it was reported and that it was a repeated discussion. Forgive me for being somewhat aggravated, but I do believe I ADDED within my discussion the fact that there was a tsunami warning for the west coast as well as there having been an earthquake, which was different from the others I saw posted on the disaster. It is plain to me that there is someone who dislikes the fact that I am an outspoken believer by the tag 'bible nutter' added to this discussion. I did not mention the Bible in my discussion once. So, what do we do about this? I contacted the administration of mylot and complained. I'm not going to be bullied. If I am I will speak out and NOT be silent about it. This is a great site, and should not be used for such petty cr*p as this. The rating system is not supposed to be used to indicate others disagreement, only to reflect whether poster stays within the guidelines. Neither are the tags meant to insult or defame the OP.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
25 Mar 11
thank you jujunme. I am awaiting a response and will see what they have to say. I was advised to send a FR to Alice/Alex a member who is also administration. It takes standing up to this veiled attempt at censorship by the few on here that feel their opinions are the only ones that matter, to stop even more censorship in the larger picture.
@jujunme (2406)
• United States
25 Mar 11
Yes, the friend request to Alex is the best thing you can do and i would be very interested in his reply.These types of activities need to stop, if not, we as members will continue to remain hostage to the few who feel the need to object to us speaking our minds or stating our beliefs. The last time i looked, this was America where free speech is a constitutional right.Why should we remain silent because a few people attempt to change that right.
@Hatley (164654)
• Garden Grove, California
24 Mar 11
jujunme wow that would be neat but remember this if I knew who minused me every time I would get very angry, and I bet others would too, so we would have non stop wars on our hands, bu t if it would make p eople think before minus ing yes I would like that to happen. but I can see the drawbacks of anger and retaliation if we had that software. Why not suggest this to mylot? It could work if people had to give a valid reason and if they did not, mylot admins would not let them use the minus key. Great idea I really like it.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
24 Mar 11
Great idea. Why not submit it to the adm?
@jujunme (2406)
• United States
24 Mar 11
As a few members mentioned,there are pro's and con's in having something like this implemented, such as letting members know just who the neg raters are, may be a problem, since it may cause a lot of arguments and flame wars, which i didn't realize when i posted this discussion,However i do like the idea of members needing to supply the reasons they're neg rating "before" the rating is allowed to be counted, but, this would also, as Diana and HWG mentioned, add on a lot more work for the admin having to go through all those ratings and decide whether or not they're legitimate or not.so i don't think they would go for it. However, something really needs to be done about this matter, since it has caused a lot of dissension and unfair drops in many members ratings.
@allknowing (65067)
• India
24 Mar 11
It seems that practically everyone here is getting the feeling that they have been unfairly treated by other users. That in a way is some relief as, if every one gets that treatment it squares up the account - does it not? I lost a star too and I know how, where, when and who did it to me! [em]angry[/em. Now about reporting abuse or giving negative votes if done openly that will result in World War III as even if it is rightly done the one who got it will fight till the end to prove them wrong.
@jujunme (2406)
• United States
24 Mar 11
I won't say everyone, but quite a few users are seeing their ratings drop dramatically and i guess you can say that whoever or how many are doing this really don't discriminate, do they? somewhat like a free for all, since they can hide behind their computer and just have a field day with that neg button. Wow! so you say you know "how", "where", "when" and "who's rating you neg?,While of course not giving the username of this person, could you possibly tell us how you were able to find this out? unless the person outright told you they were doing this and in that case, they were not just spiteful but arrogant as well. Yes, you are correct and i admit i should have realized that it would start an all out war if people knew, before i posted this discussion. i guess it was just a fanciful thought on my part, needing to come up with some sort of idea on perhaps having some sort of control over this ongoing problem.