The REAL goal of Affirmative Action is to keep black people ignorant

@Taskr36 (13925)
United States
March 27, 2011 7:22pm CST
I think that the latest case in Dayton Ohio, paired with the New Haven Firefighters case is sufficient proof that the real goal of affirmative action is to take away the incentive for black people to be smart, well educated, or hard working people. The reason? It makes them slaves to the Democrat party. The left in America has been 100% on board with making sure that unqualified and unskilled black people are constantly rewarded for underachieving. Don't believe me? Just look at what happens when a white man fails a test to get a job. He doesn't get the job. He's told to study and do better next time. What happens when a black man fails the same test? Well the affirmative action supporters demand that the bar be lowered. The last thing they want is for the black man to study hard, improve himself, and EARN the job. Nope, it's our DUTY to keep him stupid, discourage him from bettering himself, and force the employer to reward him for failing with a job while passing up those pesky white people who scored better. Some people will pretend that the goal of affirmative action is to make sure "qualified" black people get jobs. Well we can throw out that lie now since all they do is change what "qualified" means to keep black people ignorant. So go on, keep pretending you're doing it FOR black people. The proof is in the pudding. Black people were smarter and harder working before Affirmative Action because they HAD to be. Nobody was coddling them and telling them it was ok to be ignorant. Selfish people like Jesse Jackson know this, but would rather be at the top of the heap than actually try to improve things for other black people or this country. I remember a popular line saying "women who want to be equal to men lack ambition". It's cute, but it's also true. What we need is for the same type of message to get to black people instead of telling them they CAN'T be equal and as such should stay ignorant and depend on the government to take care of them.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
28 Mar 11
Democrats like to further the lie that it was their hard work in the civil rights movement of the fifties and sixties that brought black people into the political areana. Not so according to history. Black people were elected to assmeblies and congress right after emancipation. It was the democrats who took that away from them with jim crow laws. Go to blacksphere.net and read this guy's blogs. He's a black conservative and I be you'd be surprised what HE KNOWS and is telling his fellow young black men. Also, take the time to goggle black conservatives or black republicans, a liberal's nightmare...and their numbers are growing. They're saying the SAME thing you are. Cause it's right.
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• United States
28 Mar 11
As a black man I can say lowering the bar in this case is not good. And more importantly not necessary. In the case with all test study and preparation are the most important. However many non minorities have more opportunity to prepare by having preparation classes and other things to get theem ready. What blacks and other must do is to get better prepared and avail themselves of all the opportunities. But to say that affrimative action was not important is a lie in a country where it was accepted and legal practice to ostrasize and set certain people back because of color.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
28 Mar 11
Can I ask you if you have read Shelby Steele's book; White Guilt? It is from that source and other black conservatives that this opinion was taken. There is growing consensus among these conservatives that reject the need for Affirmative Action and claim it hurts rather than helps. Have you taken the time to investigate their claims?
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
28 Mar 11
here's the link to one black conservative blog I read; http://theblacksphere.net/blog/ I encourage you, if you have not already done so, to read Shelby Steele's book.
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• United States
28 Mar 11
I'm glad you agree that lowering the bar is wrong. In the past 2 years, I have been in contact with many black conservatives who not only think it's wrong, but who think that liberal Democrats are enslaving African-Americans. Here are some of the blogs I follow: http://anotherblackconservative.blogspot.com/ http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/ I also follow Lloyd Marcus, of TEA party fame (singer/composer) who calls himself a (black) Unhyphenated American. In this one: http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/a_black_on_black_discussion_of.html ...he says, "Black presidential candidate Barack Obama receiving 96% of the black vote can be described only as an example of groupthink and racism." And in that link provided above he says: [i]I never dreamed that we blacks would need to be liberated from ourselves. Like all humans, blacks are extremely diverse in their talents, tastes, and desires. We must stop allowing ourselves to be manipulated and intimidated into collectively voting for Democrats in order to keep Sharpton, Jackson, and the NAACP employed. Though our ancestors came to America on slave ships, we blacks are extremely blessed to be born in the greatest nation on the planet. It is time we let go of the past. Yes, I know this will infuriate and shock some of you (race profiteers), but it is true. Black overseers and liberals must stop exploiting America's past sins and viewing America from a 1950 point of view. For the sake of our children, blacks must see America for what it truly is today: a wonderful country where if the Obama administration would simply get out of the way, anyone with an idea, a dream, and a willingness to work can succeed. It is time to end "groupthink" and black racism and celebrate individuality and independence. For this cause, I say to Al Sharpton, Jeanine Garafolo, and all you other libs, "Let my people go!" [/i] I follow a few other black conservatives, but don't have their links as readily available. I love hearing them speak at TEA party rallies.
@matersfish (6311)
• United States
28 Mar 11
White people (the majority) citing the system's flaws when it comes to black people or Latino people (minorities) will never change it. White people trying to change any aspect of it will always be spun into racists. It's the black people being sold short who need to take a stand against it. Instead of allowing this watered-down BS to continue, instead of standing behind people treating others as if they're stupid and cannot achieve, the beneficiaries of these backwards policies need to stand up and shout out the truth - they're not beneficial at all! I see real racial injustice in America. But I don't see it in a Gary Coleman tea party sign or in an Arizona rancher wanting to keep his family safe. I see it in the public school system and in these shoddy nonexistent bar hiring practices. I see it in the things supported wholeheartedly by the very people who champion racial equality. But it's really no surprise here that the people setting the standards don't see the problem. That's because they don't see it as a problem. I think we all know that that particular portion of the left truly believes "work" is something someone else should do and then share the fruits with others. They do not believe one needs qualifications or talents or hopes or dreams or a driving work ethic to succeed. They believe some nonsense like money is a "national resource" and that you need to "spread the wealth around," and they love shouting out slogans like "give them the wealth" and "workers of the world unite." I never hear any of them saying "try harder" or "study more" or "realize yourdreams and goals." Instead, it's always some spin on "this is owed to you." So it has to change from the recipients' end. People for whom the bar is lowered have to reject it and call that racist. I think whether or not people would argue against increasingly lower standards based on skin color is the real issue. I hear it in whispers and whistles but I don't hear the revolt against calculated oppression.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
28 Mar 11
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
28 Mar 11
White people also won't change the minds of black democratic voters. That is why we need to support the black conservatives who ARE able to be heard in the black communities.
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• United States
28 Mar 11
For the life of me, I cannot understand why over 90% of black voters in America are loyal to the Democrats. Honestly. I'm not sure of anyone's race on myLot, outside of a few folks. It's something I don't ask and something I couldn't care less about. But I'm interested to know how many black Democrats we have floating around here. I'd personally like to know what it is Democrats have done for black people that over 90% support them without fail. Hell, I'm not saying people should support Republicans either. But when you have over 90% of any group voting one way, that's the most obvious example of herd behavior in world history. What keeps people loyal? I'll drive myself mad to find out. Is it fair to assume that most black people appreciate policies like the one in Ohio? I don't know. It's impossible to tell when people don't speak out. Just like the supposed 99% of all Muslims being good and decent and don't support terror. I won't argue that! But it's simply hard to tell when you so rarely hear outrage from a community of over 1.5 billion. What are people supposed to think? When Holder said Americans are cowards for not talking about race, he was actually right. He was right for all the wrong reasons, but he was right nonetheless. We need to have a huge debate as a country over policies like these, because it's not like the world ends after this generation. Millions of black children are growing up in America right now. Should they be told to study hard and put forth the effort to achieve, or should they be told that it's okay to coast through with an F because employment is "owed" to them? Ahh. Treating people as if they're stupid really gets under my skin, mostly because it's a guy like me, wanting ALL PEOPLE to be equal, who actually earns the "racist" label per MSM. I'm more and more disgusted every day with America's touchy-feely, no-common-sense-having, playing-field-destroying social justice policies.
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@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
28 Mar 11
Well, once upon a time Affirmative Action had a place in society. I think, however, American society has progressed to a point where legally we're almost on the same footing. Socially it's another matter. Now affirmative action just serves as a presupposition that minorities are incapable. There are resources available to me and other legally declared "minorities" that aren't available to others. I can get scholarships for my Native American heritage and even my sexuality. When my husband was looking into the prospect of buying a business from his former employer, we found that if I had been made a partner in the transaction, they would have gotten a minority tax credit because I, a woman, would have been part owner of the small business. Without me it would've just been 3 white guys running a business - there weren't any special tax credits for them. Clearly women/minorities are too fragile and pitiful to run a business successfully or attend college and therefore need all the help we can get, right? Frankly I find the whole concept offensive. What once may have been a good idea is now being used as a tool to uphold inequality and negative stereotypes. Personally without Affirmative Action I think we'd all be completely equal under the law.
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• United States
28 Mar 11
Affirmative Action had it's time. But since we have laws that prohibit discrimination now and they are being enforced, we no longer need it. (Just like we no longer need unions.)
@Latrivia (2889)
• United States
29 Mar 11
There's no need to tell me that. I know very well the affirmative action measures put in place, I can benefit from them, and I'm disgusted with them. Everyone should be.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
30 Mar 11
You should be disgusted, AA is just another way the white race says to minorities, you need us! AA plays on white guilt and is a attempt regain moral authority. Instead of truly being color blind and judging someone on their character as MLK worked for, it is instead rewarding mediocrity and giving whites the moral satisfaction of taking care of 'those people'. When Clarence Thomas voted against (lone vote) AA, Maureen Dowd wrote a scathing rebuke that bordered on saying; how dare you question my moral authority!
@laglen (19782)
• United States
28 Mar 11
I agree it does hold people back. In a time when talent is greater we shouldnt "dumb down" anything. What really concerns me are the public safety jobs. I have seen some pretty stupid cops. I cant imagine it getting much lower.... Like you said, people should be required to study and work harder.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
28 Mar 11
I should be about responsibility and accountability always. In every job for everyone. It's not that way in our society, but even more so for the blacks who live with the democrats telling them that only with white help can they succeed, which is what Affirmative Action is all about.
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@laglen (19782)
• United States
29 Mar 11
everybody is a winner!
• United States
28 Mar 11
Well, I have seen this with a lot of jobs and a lot of places lately. My boyfriend and I noticed that at Chipotle (it's a fake Mexican Food restaurant, but their food is awesome), anyway, we notice that the whites and people who speak perfect English and have American accents, work in the front of the restaurant, the ones who take orders and work the cash register. The people who work in the back are the Latinos, mostly Mexican, who work in the back, cooking and cleaning. In the California University system, many of the standards for many of the test and exams have been lowered so that minorities and people with less education can get ahead, but they aren't really getting ahead because they don't have the right information. It's like the bar is being lowered to make minorities feel better, but they are really suffering for it.
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
28 Mar 11
Exactly. Frankly I think Affirmative Action is succeeding where Jim Crow laws failed. Think about it. Jim Crow laws where meant to disenfranchise black people and keep them from being successful, powerful people. The opposite happened. Black people persevered, studying and learning answers to "literacy" tests that bordered on impossible. When that wasn't enough they fought and marched peacefully and made change happen. They didn't give up and they didn't accept their lot as it was. They fought to be better and make things better for their children. Modern day affirmative action proponents have mutated that into a disgusting culture of dependence. Now, instead of fighting to be better, they are taught that it's ok to be worse and that society should accommodate them instead of encouraging them to excel. It's created a sense of entitlement and complacency that has done serious damage to the black community.
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• United States
29 Mar 11
It's not just with the African-American community, it's also with the Latino community as well. Some of them are told that it is okay to just speak your native language, or it's okay to not know as much as your peers, and they really do end up suffering for it. Now, some people do see this and realize this, but it's only a few. If more people realized this, and saw what was really going on this would be a different story. Now, for the record. I am a Democrat, and I am highly liberal, but when it comes to equal rights and legalizations, it has to be fair for everyone, meaning that everyone has to learn the same way, and be tested the same way; otherwise, what justice are you doing for yourself and others? Affirmative action hasn't helped anyone, and I know a lot of minorities who have actually told me that it's hurt them at times rather than help them. They feel like they just don't know as much as their peers, or that the minute they learn what their peers already know, it's "too little, too late". If people were to go to other countries, say Germany, England, France, Japan, or countries like that, they wouldn't get special treatment. They would be expected to learn just like everyone else. They would be expected to know the native language and the knowledge that their peers know, just like everyone else. They would be expected to have the same education that their countrymen or peers have.
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• United States
29 Mar 11
Your views are built on racist stereotypes. It is clear you don't know any black people. First of all, I am not ignorant. Nor are my people. We aren't anybody's slaves. We ARE Democrats. Not even because we agree with everything they stand for but fully reject the Republican party. You want to know why-"telling them they can't be equal, stay ignorant and depend on the government" I don't know who you think you are describing here but it's not African Americans. But given we are intuitive to know that you think that way is the reason we don't vote to the right. That said-people should try educating themselves before they talk about educating other. First the overwhelming majority of Affirmative Action quotes(79%) are filled by white women. Not blacks. By last count(2009) the number of Affirmative Action jobs filled by blacks in this country was 8%. Also, while poverty and unemployment is high in the black community, it only refers to 20% of African Americans. In that 20% is also the working poor. So the majority of us work just like anybody else do. Like other entitlement programs, Whites are the ones that receive the aid while people of color are scapegoated for it. Now tell me how is it a member of the community that not only gets the majority of quotas but apparently is also so wrapped up in whats going on in mine overlooks the food being put on his table.
@Taskr36 (13925)
• United States
29 Mar 11
Welcome to mylot. I'm honored to be the recipient of your first post. First off, I haven't made any racist stereotypes. I just reread my post to be sure. If I could change one thing I would say "encourage ignorance" as opposed to "keep black people ignorant", but I don't get to change titles after the fact. Aside from that my post was primarily target against affirmative action, what it is and what it does. Do you really believe I don't know any black people? Do you really believe that just because I'm not a democrat, and do not support affirmative action that I must be some sheltered fool who has never met anyone of another race? Of course I would guess you're just baiting me with that crap because the second someone says "My best friend is black" or something like that, it makes them a racist. I'm not sure how, but it does. You pulled a whole lot of statistics. Since it's your first post I'll let you know that in politics, we all like sources. People can make up numbers all day long (and some do). Unless you provide a source, I can't really address the numbers you put up.
@epicure35 (2822)
• United States
28 Mar 11
You are right in your assertion. Abortion is another issue that is driven to go against blacks; Margaret Sanger (Planned Parenthood) was a racist and a eugenecist. As Debra has said, so many liberals are in fact racist and hateful while pretending to be elsewise. This goes for the feminist issue as well. Liberals are driven to destroy family values and achievement based on hard work and study. They want the "masses" of all colors to be dependent on the government.