The REAL goal of Affirmative Action is to keep black people ignorant

I'm glad you agree that lowering the bar is wrong. In the past 2 years, I have been in contact with many black conservatives who not only think it's wrong, but who think that liberal Democrats are enslaving African-Americans. Here are some of the blogs I follow: http://anotherblackconservative.blogspot.com/ http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/ I also follow Lloyd Marcus, of TEA party fame (singer/composer) who calls himself a (black) Unhyphenated American. In this one: http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/a_black_on_black_discussion_of.html ...he says, "Black presidential candidate Barack Obama receiving 96% of the black vote can be described only as an example of groupthink and racism." And in that link provided above he says: [i]I never dreamed that we blacks would need to be liberated from ourselves. Like all humans, blacks are extremely diverse in their talents, tastes, and desires. We must stop allowing ourselves to be manipulated and intimidated into collectively voting for Democrats in order to keep Sharpton, Jackson, and the NAACP employed. Though our ancestors came to America on slave ships, we blacks are extremely blessed to be born in the greatest nation on the planet. It is time we let go of the past. Yes, I know this will infuriate and shock some of you (race profiteers), but it is true. Black overseers and liberals must stop exploiting America's past sins and viewing America from a 1950 point of view. For the sake of our children, blacks must see America for what it truly is today: a wonderful country where if the Obama administration would simply get out of the way, anyone with an idea, a dream, and a willingness to work can succeed. It is time to end "groupthink" and black racism and celebrate individuality and independence. For this cause, I say to Al Sharpton, Jeanine Garafolo, and all you other libs, "Let my people go!" [/i] I follow a few other black conservatives, but don't have their links as readily available. I love hearing them speak at TEA party rallies.

Can I ask you if you have read Shelby Steele's book; White Guilt? It is from that source and other black conservatives that this opinion was taken. There is growing consensus among these conservatives that reject the need for Affirmative Action and claim it hurts rather than helps. Have you taken the time to investigate their claims?

here's the link to one black conservative blog I read; http://theblacksphere.net/blog/ I encourage you, if you have not already done so, to read Shelby Steele's book.

It's not just with the African-American community, it's also with the Latino community as well. Some of them are told that it is okay to just speak your native language, or it's okay to not know as much as your peers, and they really do end up suffering for it. Now, some people do see this and realize this, but it's only a few. If more people realized this, and saw what was really going on this would be a different story. Now, for the record. I am a Democrat, and I am highly liberal, but when it comes to equal rights and legalizations, it has to be fair for everyone, meaning that everyone has to learn the same way, and be tested the same way; otherwise, what justice are you doing for yourself and others? Affirmative action hasn't helped anyone, and I know a lot of minorities who have actually told me that it's hurt them at times rather than help them. They feel like they just don't know as much as their peers, or that the minute they learn what their peers already know, it's "too little, too late". If people were to go to other countries, say Germany, England, France, Japan, or countries like that, they wouldn't get special treatment. They would be expected to learn just like everyone else. They would be expected to know the native language and the knowledge that their peers know, just like everyone else. They would be expected to have the same education that their countrymen or peers have.

Exactly. Frankly I think Affirmative Action is succeeding where Jim Crow laws failed. Think about it. Jim Crow laws where meant to disenfranchise black people and keep them from being successful, powerful people. The opposite happened. Black people persevered, studying and learning answers to "literacy" tests that bordered on impossible. When that wasn't enough they fought and marched peacefully and made change happen. They didn't give up and they didn't accept their lot as it was. They fought to be better and make things better for their children. Modern day affirmative action proponents have mutated that into a disgusting culture of dependence. Now, instead of fighting to be better, they are taught that it's ok to be worse and that society should accommodate them instead of encouraging them to excel. It's created a sense of entitlement and complacency that has done serious damage to the black community.

everybody is a winner!

I should be about responsibility and accountability always. In every job for everyone. It's not that way in our society, but even more so for the blacks who live with the democrats telling them that only with white help can they succeed, which is what Affirmative Action is all about.

There's no need to tell me that. I know very well the affirmative action measures put in place, I can benefit from them, and I'm disgusted with them. Everyone should be.

Affirmative Action had it's time. But since we have laws that prohibit discrimination now and they are being enforced, we no longer need it. (Just like we no longer need unions.)

You should be disgusted, AA is just another way the white race says to minorities, you need us! AA plays on white guilt and is a attempt regain moral authority. Instead of truly being color blind and judging someone on their character as MLK worked for, it is instead rewarding mediocrity and giving whites the moral satisfaction of taking care of 'those people'. When Clarence Thomas voted against (lone vote) AA, Maureen Dowd wrote a scathing rebuke that bordered on saying; how dare you question my moral authority!

White people also won't change the minds of black democratic voters. That is why we need to support the black conservatives who ARE able to be heard in the black communities.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why over 90% of black voters in America are loyal to the Democrats. Honestly. I'm not sure of anyone's race on myLot, outside of a few folks. It's something I don't ask and something I couldn't care less about. But I'm interested to know how many black Democrats we have floating around here. I'd personally like to know what it is Democrats have done for black people that over 90% support them without fail. Hell, I'm not saying people should support Republicans either. But when you have over 90% of any group voting one way, that's the most obvious example of herd behavior in world history. What keeps people loyal? I'll drive myself mad to find out. Is it fair to assume that most black people appreciate policies like the one in Ohio? I don't know. It's impossible to tell when people don't speak out. Just like the supposed 99% of all Muslims being good and decent and don't support terror. I won't argue that! But it's simply hard to tell when you so rarely hear outrage from a community of over 1.5 billion. What are people supposed to think? When Holder said Americans are cowards for not talking about race, he was actually right. He was right for all the wrong reasons, but he was right nonetheless. We need to have a huge debate as a country over policies like these, because it's not like the world ends after this generation. Millions of black children are growing up in America right now. Should they be told to study hard and put forth the effort to achieve, or should they be told that it's okay to coast through with an F because employment is "owed" to them? Ahh. Treating people as if they're stupid really gets under my skin, mostly because it's a guy like me, wanting ALL PEOPLE to be equal, who actually earns the "racist" label per MSM. I'm more and more disgusted every day with America's touchy-feely, no-common-sense-having, playing-field-destroying social justice policies.

Welcome to mylot. I'm honored to be the recipient of your first post. First off, I haven't made any racist stereotypes. I just reread my post to be sure. If I could change one thing I would say "encourage ignorance" as opposed to "keep black people ignorant", but I don't get to change titles after the fact. Aside from that my post was primarily target against affirmative action, what it is and what it does. Do you really believe I don't know any black people? Do you really believe that just because I'm not a democrat, and do not support affirmative action that I must be some sheltered fool who has never met anyone of another race? Of course I would guess you're just baiting me with that crap because the second someone says "My best friend is black" or something like that, it makes them a racist. I'm not sure how, but it does. You pulled a whole lot of statistics. Since it's your first post I'll let you know that in politics, we all like sources. People can make up numbers all day long (and some do). Unless you provide a source, I can't really address the numbers you put up.