Second Verse of Star Spangled Banner...listen please

@debrakcarey (19924)
United States
April 9, 2011 1:05am CST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9_bP219ehQ Is there any doubt NOW that you've heard this...that we were founded a Christian country? Is there any doubt that it is because we turned from God that we are now facing the fall of our Republic? I'm not advocating a theocracy here...just follow the Constitution for pete's sake...there's room for all there under its protection. Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming? Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight, O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming? And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air, Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there. Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave? Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand Between their loved home and the war's desolation! Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation. Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, And this be our motto: "In God is our trust." And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave! Our forefathers knew that if you trust in God and do HIS will, you will triumph. They wanted a nation where all could be safe and prosper. Don't let them take that away from us! We overcame slavery and we overcame bigotry by the power of our Constitution, and we can overcome the evil that some would do to us by taking away the power of that Constitution, if we want to. MORALITY IS NOT A RELIGION, IT IS NECESSARY FOR LIBERTY. WITHOUT IT WE ARE DOOMED. Without morality...we quickly become animals and no one is truly free. So, what's your thoughts on the second verse of the National Anthem?
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@speedy1279 (2667)
• United States
9 Apr 11
Wow, I like it. And in all honesty, until I read your post, I never knew there was a second verse to the Star Spangled Banner. But it makes sense!
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
9 Apr 11
Me either, did you listen to the guy singing it? Awesome!
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@clrumfelt (5424)
• United States
9 Apr 11
That is amazing. I have never heard the second verse sung until now. I looked up the song in my church hymnal just to see if they had published the 2nd verse, and it is in there. Wouldn't it be awesome if the singers at ballgames would start singing both verses. I think I will start an email campaign with the NFL officials. Want to join me?
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
9 Apr 11
Sure, send me the links via PM!
• United States
9 Apr 11
This is a common misconception. The men that were our Founding Fathers were mostly not Christians. They were men of the Enlightenment, the age of reason. This Enlightenment influenced the writings of our Constitution and Declaration of Independence greatly; in fact, it was probably one of the main inspirations for the motives in said documents. See this treaty: http://freethought.mbdojo.com/titleXI.jpg. Also see a complaint, 1831, by a Christian minister, Bird Wilson from Albany, New York: "Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism." This does not mean they did not believe in a god. They even believed in Jesus. Most of our Founders were Deists. They believed in a god, as is quite evident from historical documents like the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, as well as things like our anthem. However, this god does not equate to our Christian god.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
9 Apr 11
Perhaps they recognized that a Christian should not impose their personal relationship with God on someone else. YOU nor anyone else can know what was in their hearts. Their public writings reflected the understanding that to impose THEIR personal beliefs on others whould have been a continuation of what they had fled in Europe. You pick and choose your history. Do you not realize that the 'age of enlightenment' could NOT have begun if not for the church saving the ancient writings of the Greek Philosophers? The church brought literacy to the middle ages? Do you not realize that the 'age of enlightenment' also brought us the 'reign of terror' that followed the French Revolution? Our founding fathers knew the Bible and held to the precepts taught in it. Read their writings. Their wisdom kept us from descending into a reign of terror like France experienced. Why? Because the colonies and the founding fathers knew God's standards and it was those standards that they built into the Constitution. George Washington was a principled man, because he knew the Bible's teachings. I've read his biography and his writings. He was a man of God. I care not what 'church' or 'doctrine' he held to. I care that he knew God.
• United States
11 Apr 11
No, you are right when you say that we can not know what was in their hearts. However, if these men were Christians, we would be able to make a sufficiently educated guess based upon the traces and "clues," so to speak, that they left behind. One can call what they believed in what one wills, but they did not believe in what many of us know as Christianity today. To a great number of people today, Christianity is the typical non-thinking religion. They read the Bible and practise, great, but they also just absorb in everything the preacher tells them without even a thought of possible dissent. Many of these Founding Fathers, like I stated previously, believed in God, but did not believe he intervened in human affairs, i.e. held Deist beliefs, and also did not much appreciate the Church of the time, and wanted to decide for themselves on how to believe in God. I don't see what your point is with the "the Enlightenment could not have begun if the Church hadn't saved ancient writings of the Greek philosophers." I don't see how the fact that the Church saved these texts, and if it weren't for that, we would have never had the Enlightenment, is relevant. The Church saved the writings of the philosophers --- allowed the Enlightenment to happen ? the Enlightenment was Christian, the Founding Fathers were mainly Christian, etc... I don't see how that ties in with anything. . . The Church brought literacy to the middle ages? Hardly. Besides the elite, scribes, monks, and such people, a very large number, probably the majority, of the population could not read and/or write. Also, the majority of the texts were in Latin, as opposed to the local vernacular of the region. This meant that many uneducated people couldn't even understand. . .suppression of the masses by keeping them ignorant. Also note that the one and only Church for many hundreds of years was the Roman Catholic institution. Martin Luther started the Protestant movement(s), disagreeing with the way the Catholic Church operated, was corrupted, how it deviated from the Bible, etc. Yes, indeed. It probably could not have begun had that not happened. This Age brought forth the French revolution... Yes, and? It also inspired our own revolution. They knew the Bible? I don't doubt that at all. They were educated men. They held to the precepts taught in it? Perhaps they did. Alternatively, maybe what they believed overlapped with some concepts taught in the Bible. I don't think, however, that their beliefs that also are present in the Bible were the determining factors that prevented us from descending into a revolution like the French one. I would like to see examples and more specific information if what I'm saying is not true. I sense some tension in the atmosphere . . Please forgive me if I've irked you, but really, in pursuit of benevolence, let us try to work towards the truth for both of our benefits here, in a sort of Socratic way, I suppose. I very much recognise the fact that I am capable of making untrue statements, and I would like to be corrected, as I would much rather know the truth than be deluded.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
11 Apr 11
http://www.randomhouse.com/features/cahill/irish.html I will endeavor to explain why I believe that the age of enlightenment was a result of the churches saving of the ancient Greek and Roman writings. But I will ask you to take a look at the link above too. It was from reading this thought provoking book that I first realized that it was so. First of all, schools in the middle ages were run by the churches. The first and for a long time, only book available for reading was the Bible. True, the Catholic church held a lot of power in this time. But they can be credited for educating those who could afford it, and did provide education (literacy) for those who joined its ranks as priests and monks. Research the origins of all the great universities and I'm sure you will find they have religious origins. I've read that the invention of the printing press can be credited for the 'age of enlightenment' because it made books available to the masses. But once again that leads us to the universities begun by the church. They made use of this new availability of books to educate their priests and monks who in turn taught the common man to read so as to do business. Yes,there was much suppression of thought by said church, but there was also much movement forward as you yourself pointed out...Martin Luther's 95 Thesis came about because he READ THE BIBLE for himself. Many great scientists of the time, Sir Isaac Newton is one such Christian who is considered one of the most influential men of history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton Also from wikipedia Middle Ages: Saint Benedict wrote the definitive Rule for western monasticism during the 6th century, detailing the administrative and spiritual responsibilities of a community of monks led by an abbot.[12] The style of monasticism based upon the Benedictine Rule spread widely rapidly across Europe, replacing small clusters of cenobites. Monks and monasteries had a deep effect upon the religious and political life of the Early Middle Ages, in various cases acting as land trusts for powerful families, centres of propaganda and royal support in newly conquered regions, bases for mission, and proselytization. In addition, they were the main and sometimes only outposts of education and literacy in a region. These are only some of the reasons I believe that the Christian faith, however flawed by its individual members and the organized Catholic Church, brought about the enlightenment.
@carmelanirel (20979)
• United States
9 Apr 11
Wow, read it and now waiting for the video to load to listen..Of course I don't need the song to know how this country started, or even the second verse, because the words, "Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there." always touched my heart as the reason the flag was still there was because of G♥d's mercy on a country...Thanks for sharing debra, now off to see if the video is ready..:D
• United States
9 Apr 11
That was powerful, and I felt an anointing on this man and tears came to my eyes...The best part??? This was uploaded in 2010 and everyone there stood and I could see the emotions in their eyes. Do you know how uncommon that is today? I have been where this song is sang or the pledge of allegiance is said and see way too many people who either just stay seated, (I am talking about those who can stand) and or they don't even take their hats off or place their hand over their heart..This was a very touching video and one I am sharing on FB..
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
9 Apr 11
It needs to be shared. That's power you can't deny. And for those who do deny it, well...we know where they stand.
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• United States
9 Apr 11
I showed my husband before he took off to help a friend and he had me print out the words..I also included the title in case his friend wants to listen..
@Destiny007 (5820)
• United States
9 Apr 11
There was never any doubt in my mind. I went to school before they started teaching all of that revisionist history with all of it's lies and and deliberate deceptions. We now got 20 year olds telling us that everything we learned in school is a "common misconception"... the misconception comes from these youngsters who think that they even know their history or how this country started because they plainly do not. They are the product of our government propaganda machine known as the public school system. The truth is deliberately hidden so that the kiddies will turn into good little taxpayers who question nothing that the government says. This ol' boy knows better.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
9 Apr 11
Good to 'see' you Destiny! It's good to know that the truth hasn't been entirely lost. It's up to us to teach it, to share it. The human mind is very plastic, shaped by what is put in it. The wonderful thing is, we can 'renew' our mind...by learning the TRUTH.
@dragon54u (31617)
• United States
9 Apr 11
A friend of mine sent me something written by a 15 year old girl in Arizona. It points out that teens are allowed to curse and insult people but not mention God in school, allowed to burn the flag but not bring a Bible on campus, girls can dress like sl8ts but not wear a cross, etc., etc. We have become animals and no one is free anymore because we've allowed our mind to be so open our brains have fallen out. We are slaves to political correctness and refuse to honor our flag or allow God's name to be anywhere in public. This country is on the way down unless we reconnect with our roots of decency, morality and respect for God.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
9 Apr 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3dcdl4YXVk I know of a guy who think just like you, check it out. God bless that 15 year old girl, she has more sense than some running this country!