"Don't talk to idiots because you can instruct them."

@topffer (31863)
France
April 20, 2011 11:52am CST
I saw a T-Shirt saying "Don't talk to idiots because you can instruct them." In my own experience, you cannot instruct them : a friend explained me years ago that you can fill in ignorance, but that stupidity is a full. Have you faced the wall of stupidity, a wall larger and higher than the Great Wall of China, and been unable to be understood by somebody ? And when it happens, are you angry, do you find it funny, or ... ?
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@saphrina (31740)
• South Africa
20 Apr 11
Hi sweetie. I always say. People are not really idiots, they just have some parts missing. But i do tend to ignore such people as the get on my nerves.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
20 Apr 11
Hi Saphrina, On the moment, they get also on my nerves, but, often, after a minute, I find the situation funny. You are right, the best is to ignore them.
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
20 Apr 11
@saph, like missing DLL or other important file in your computer!!!
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@saphrina (31740)
• South Africa
20 Apr 11
ignorance is my speciality, topfer. I'm freaking good at it. krajbg, that normally send me thru the roof.
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• United States
20 Apr 11
Hello Topffer I have lived in such a way that I use to get really offensive, in my past. It caused me a great deal of stress and so much loss of valuable time. What I have learned in life is to simply grin and bear it. It may not make me look courageous but I am the one who lives with me. So me has to be happy or then what is the point of living. So now I have learned to be a bit annoyed then by ignoring and then tend to find it funny. I guess it is a good way to dust it off and move on.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
20 Apr 11
"Grin and bear it" is the good philosophy. When I was younger, I was not patient and I disliked to explain two times the same thing to a person. I am really patient today, but stupidity is always proud of itself, and I finish to find funny these situations. Anyways, to be angry would not settle anything here.
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@GardenGerty (93716)
• Marion, Kansas
20 Apr 11
When you have a choice of how to react to a situation, the least stressful one is the best. I would say we live a little longer when we let go of the annoyances in life.
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• United States
20 Apr 11
I agree GG because I am one to choose the option of life. Although several things in life do annoy I am one who prefers to ignore. After a while I can smile and laugh at how pretty funny it was to begin with.
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@blue65packer (11835)
• United States
21 Apr 11
My look on this comes froma quote from John Wayne. "Life is tough. It is even tougher when you're stupid." That is so true and so many people are like this! I have learnt over the years you can't instruct idiots either! They can't be changed! Plain and simple! They aren't worth the time!
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@topffer (31863)
• France
22 Apr 11
I like this John Wayne's quote. "They aren't worth the time!" Sure, but sometimes you need to deal with them.
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@mythociate (14433)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
23 Apr 11
That's when action really counts, because action cannot be denied ... oh, you can be punished for wrong actions, but the actions themselves are undeniable statements!
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@whyaskq (7553)
• Singapore
21 Apr 11
This is a very interesting topic. I do not like talking to idiots not because I can instruct them. often, it is because I get frustrated and impatient and anger kills. Perhaps it is plain ignorance that makes that idiots an idiot in my eyes. However, to be fair to the idiot, an idiot to one may not be an idiot to another.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
22 Apr 11
We are always the idiot of another. What can I say you whyaskq ? It is weird that both of us are not idiots, and that we did not crossed our discussions since a year : I am making a friend request.
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@marguicha (84122)
• Chile
20 Apr 11
Idiots cannot be instructed, so I don´t try. It would be stupid of my part. Ignorance, on the other hand is something you can help change by talking and teacheng. Some people confuse idiocy with lack of instruction. It is quite different. It´s nothing to be angry about and it is not funny at all. You don´t laugh or get angry at someone because he/she is mentally handicapped.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
20 Apr 11
Thank you marguicha for the explanation of the difference between idiocy and ignorance. I made also a confusion between French and English in this discussion. In French an idiot is not... so idiot than in English. In fact, I did not wanted to talk of really mentally handicapped persons. I will certainly not laugh or be angry about any handicap, and I have some very personal reasons that I have explained once at myLot, but honestly I have always been afraid by mentally handicapped persons, and I tried to help their families when I was able to do it.
@marguicha (84122)
• Chile
21 Apr 11
I have a soft stop where "normal" people are. I think it is just statistics. Noone is perfect. Not even I was, when I was young and beautiful. And I keep on hoping that less educated people can be educated.
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@alottodo (3062)
• Australia
21 Apr 11
Way to go marguicha! if we teach the ignorants then the "normal" people would be the idiots...may be we should start with our head of states, the presidents, prime ministers, the politicians, they cause more trouble than any uneducated person, and they live [in so called] ignorance bliss! how convenient is that!
@louievill (17152)
• Philippines
20 Apr 11
hi friend, if stupidity is a full, do you think there is no more hope of emptying it like thru hypnosis or therapy, and refilling it again by re-indoctrination. No seriously friend, I think stupid people could be a danger to people around them sometimes, like leaving things on the floor for other people to slip, they leave or do things that might cause a fire or get somebody electrocuted, some people could become so stupid that they become a danger even to themselves, but I was also thinking if it's there fault if they are stupid? intelligence for sure is not distributed equally in like manner physical attributes are also the same, not everyone gets a fair slice of the pie
@topffer (31863)
• France
20 Apr 11
Hello louievill, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." My browser crashed when I was typing this response. It is a case where I aspire to become poor in spirit and to be happy with my PC without asking me this existential question : why has it crashed ? When I was a student I saw friends under hypnosis in a show and was impressed by what you can do with post-hypnotic suggestions, like striking a wall with a shoe. You can certainly make somebody intelligent looking stupid, but I am not sure of the contrary. I was not thinking of people that could be dangerous for themselves when starting this discussion, but at some lighter cases. You are raising the tone of the debate. It is certainly not their fault if they are stupid : personally I am a bit afraid by these people -- I mean really stupid -- and I stay away.
@louievill (17152)
• Philippines
20 Apr 11
yeah really friend, I for one is on guard when I sense stupidity, and you know why? because they might do something real stupid but that depends on the severity of course. No was not raising the tone of the debate friend, was just trying to explore other sides of your wonderful and multi faceted discussion, seriously I think it's full of deeper intelligence into it
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@topffer (31863)
• France
20 Apr 11
I am purring like my cat now, friend. I visited once during an open doors day an educational farm for mildly retarded persons and was also on guard after a teacher said to us : "Don't walk near a tractor : we had two accidents last year." I think I am afraid because it is very difficult to communicate with a stupid person. After a moment I find the situation funny, maybe is it the best to do.
@uath13 (8227)
• United States
20 Apr 11
Every time I have to talk to upper management.... It's not funny when they're stupidity messes stuff up & your responsable for fisxing it.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
20 Apr 11
I am always laughing loud when I read your responses, uath13. Hope the "upper management" has not members at myLot.
@uath13 (8227)
• United States
20 Apr 11
That's why I never post the company name on any of my discussions even when I'm trashing them. Some of those bafoons might have figured out how to use that electric thingy sitting on their desk for something more than displaying cute screensavers.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
20 Apr 11
Screen saver : Johnny Castaway - A cult screen saver made by Sierra in 1993 : Johnny Castaway.
I see : courageous, but not reckless. I have the same screensaver since 15 years. It follows me from DOS to Windows and then Linux. It is the Johnny Castaway screensaver, and, believe me or not, I still find new things in it !
@jennyze (7048)
• Indonesia
21 Apr 11
I would say that those called idiots are just people who are already set in their ways and do not want to listen to others nor change their ways. Sometimes that's the way I see thing that is different from others so they kind of looking at me strangely and I bet they labeled me as an idiot, too...
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@topffer (31863)
• France
21 Apr 11
Hello jennyze, It is good to put things in perspective : we are always the idiot of somebody else. I believe I am dumb enough to stay on my way when I am convinced it is the good one. And if I want to convince somebody as dumb as me, we will both think that we are in front of an idiot. At the end I find these situations funny. Have a nice evening.
@jennyze (7048)
• Indonesia
21 Apr 11
Let's grouped together. Yes, we should accept the fact that we maybe an idiot to others, so don't be too hard on the other idiots...
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@topffer (31863)
• France
21 Apr 11
A group ? Is it safe ? You don't know what can happen in a group : taken individually hooligans are not idiots. Even if I am angry, I am rarely showing it. I explode once or twice a year during a minute, and if an idiot is in front of me at this moment...
@thesids (22378)
• Bhubaneswar, India
20 Apr 11
Hi topffer I would go with the "or..." from your list above... But personally, I feel ignorance in today's world is messy but I feel happy when I find myself behaving stupid.
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• United States
20 Apr 11
Hi thesids I agree with you in the sense that the "or" for me is to simply allow sometime to pass and then later I can smile, laugh and recall on how silly it all was. Makes for a me.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
20 Apr 11
Hi thesids, "Ignorance in today's world is messy" : I believe that ignorance has always been messy, though the knowledge needed today is not the same than a century ago. "I feel happy when I find myself behaving stupid" : Too much philosophy for me, here, you have to explain me that. Personally I feel ashamed when I am behaving stupid, but I can laugh of myself later. I am probably also in the or category -- sorry, I am making a bad pun in French where "hors catégorie" means "outstanding" -- and I have the same attitude than hardworkinggurl to deal with these situations.
@thesids (22378)
• Bhubaneswar, India
21 Apr 11
@GF : Yes, that was what the "..." after the "or" were for - allow sometime to pass and then smile later. @topffer: It is not philosophical but what I learned - many a times, I have avoided so many quarrels,disagreements, arguments and even petty fights by behaving stupid. Though many people around do not like or appreciate my behaving stupid at times but I know it is me who gains at end... mentally at least - so what it might send out a wrong impression about me, it is not love at first sight kind of thing and I know I always have a chance to get that "impression" right on another day.
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@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
20 Apr 11
Hi topffler, "Don't talk to idiots because you can instruct them" is a catch sentence. The meaning is as you have put you can not instruct them at all. I read similar lines some years ago like - Virginity is curable. Now think over it.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
20 Apr 11
Hello krajibg, Sure, it is curable. The phrases are funny, but the t-shirts are difficult to wear. I hope it was a beautiful girl who was wearing this t-shirt.
@krajibg (11942)
• Guwahati, India
20 Apr 11
hmmmmmn yeah...she was...
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@topffer (31863)
• France
20 Apr 11
@mythociate (14433)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
21 Apr 11
People are born 'uninformed.' There is knowledge, and they do not have it yet. These are not necessarily "idiots." 'Idiots' are people who are uninformed to the fact that they ARE uninformed. That is, they think that they are right. An example: some churches, raising big-money for far-away places when there are places nearby that could use it better (which is like King David letting his castle crumble in order to better serve a poor non-citizen). But the point is that idiots--thinking they are right--will not hear you tell them directly how wrong they are (that is, they may ACKNOWLEDGE your words, but they will not change course.) The only thing you can do is let the idiots go on their prodigal ways and wait for them to ask you how they were wrong.
@topffer (31863)
• France
22 Apr 11
You are a complex myLot's member, mythociate ! I think you are making a superiority complex : why idiots would ask you something ?
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@mythociate (14433)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
23 Apr 11
Because my tree is still standing, when all the others would have fallen. I can't tell you why the tree stands, but I can tell you what I'm doing if you ask me while I'm doing it!
• Calgary, Alberta
21 Apr 11
Just realize one thing, let them learn by them selves, experience might make them be a better person. Sometimes the more you try to instruct them the more they will be pathetic. So let them dig their own grave or let them learn from their mistakes.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
22 Apr 11
My view, Albert. There is a mystery at myLot : you are living at thousands miles from me, and we share 90% opinions and interests. I don't understand how is it possible.
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• Calgary, Alberta
23 Apr 11
If my memory serves me right, France never colonized Philippines and Peru and there is no historical historical connection at all, how Ironic. I just got tired of giving advice to people. I am considering to delete the category "mylot" on my interest due to people who doesnt learn no matter how much you motivate them.
@macayadann (1235)
• Philippines
21 Apr 11
The T-shirt is saying as if you are talking to a dog that you can instruct by saying simple words as in sit and stand.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
22 Apr 11
I don't see the word "dog" on the t-shirt. Pets are not stupid, but they don't always do what you want them to do. If you try to teach some simple words to my cat, he will look at you and will think "he believes I am stupid !".
• Philippines
4 May 11
Hmmm, it seems the same is doing with me by my cat.
@zralte (4186)
• India
20 Apr 11
I have a feeling you are making a discussion about me Whatever...am I making you angry or do you find me funny? What can I say? Sometimes they make me angry, sometimes they make me laugh. Depends on the situation.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
20 Apr 11
Hello zralte, My list is not very long. (Checking it) Sorry, I don't see your name in it. I am stupid, but I have no stupid friend at myLot. I don't understand why you are feeling like this ? You are making things too complex... I feel angry during a minute or two, but I generally finish by having fun when I am facing such a situation, and I believe it is the best to do.
@zralte (4186)
• India
21 Apr 11
So....hopefully your anger dissipated by now.... Complex...aahhh...that's a word rarely associated with me, so I'll take it as a compliment. (I don't care if people think I'm stupid because of that ) That is the best way, have fun.....it's always healthy to be able to laugh in any situation
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• Khaimah, United Arab Emirates
20 Apr 11
In my job, I handled people, and also meet new people everyday. And yes, it's hard to talk to idiot. But, instead of being angry, I control myself, and considered that it's a funny day today " I talk to someone like that". I'm glad that before I was put on that kind of job, I already read the book " HOW TO HANDLE DIFFICULT PEOPLE". and of course, idiot is included in a difficult people. LOL
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@topffer (31863)
• France
20 Apr 11
You cannot ignore them in your job. I would be not able to do it. I also think it is better to take it cool than to be angry. And indeed they are "difficult people", it they need a hour to understand what another person understand in seconds.
• Khaimah, United Arab Emirates
20 Apr 11
Yes, you have to be cool or else you will burn out. If they need an hour to understand, it really affects transactions in any job.
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@bellis716 (4807)
• United States
22 Apr 11
It depends how important it is to get my point across. It makes me frustrated, which frequently makes me angry at myself.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
22 Apr 11
Hello bellis716, As it is useless to be angry in these situations, after a moment I find them amusing. We cannot do anything, so take it easy...
@sharra1 (6344)
• Australia
22 Apr 11
It is true that you cannot convince a person who does not want to believe, sometimes you can show them the evidence that they are wrong and they will simply close their minds. This is especially true in areas of religion and politics. Yes I have come across this in my life and my reactions have varied. Sometimes I have been angry when their response affected me in some way. Sometimes I find it amusing but more often I find it simply frustrating.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
22 Apr 11
I did not intended to speak of religion or politics : I believe that in these domains we are always the idiot of somebody else, and vice versa. Indeed it is frustrating to not be able to make somebody changing his mind when he is completely wrong ! It can be pathetic sometimes, but in many cases I find it funny after a moment.
@KrauseHome (34152)
• United States
21 Apr 11
There is no way you can instruct an idiot. What I have learned over time, is that most often these type of people are ones who are very disrespectful and will never listen to you or any other type of advice, etc. offered to them as well. These are usually the type of people you really need to look out for as they will go around using people never stopping to think of anyone but themselves. Somehow someday it is really time for them to wake up.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
22 Apr 11
At this moment, you will get the BR for this response. I think it is too difficult to wake them up.
@jdyrj777 (6558)
• United States
21 Apr 11
Yes, I have met this kind of people before. Its like a NUT shell around them.
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@topffer (31863)
• France
22 Apr 11
The "nut shell" is a good image : it is very difficult to go through the shell...
21 Apr 11
Saw saw that shirt two but it was black and white it was kool so whats up people
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@topffer (31863)
• France
22 Apr 11
Welcome to myLot, Vbabwiriza ! "it was kool so whats up people" : would you wear it ?